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Old 06-29-2018, 06:06 PM   #1
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Old 06-29-2018, 06:16 PM   #2
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Not sure why it's taking so long to put out all the facts. This investigation should have been wrapped up long ago.
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Old 06-29-2018, 06:42 PM   #3
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Not sure why it's taking so long to put out all the facts. This investigation should have been wrapped up long ago.
Oh we ain't seen nothing yet.. Give it time.. Like she said this is just the "tip of the iceberg"..
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Old 06-29-2018, 10:40 PM   #4
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Hall-way ????. Looks more like a stair-well. Were they posted there to contain the shooter to just one floor until swat arrived, or while swat entered the shooter's room?
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Just give up. This was a huge scam from the beginning. We will never know the truth. And if/when we ever get parts revealed to us no one will care...and it will be just parts here and there, never the full truth.
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Old 06-30-2018, 10:17 AM   #6
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So in the middle of a chaotic situation some security guard had a faulty memory of which floor he was on? It must be a conspiracy.
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Old 06-30-2018, 11:35 AM   #7
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Just give up. This was a huge scam from the beginning. We will never know the truth. And if/when we ever get parts revealed to us no one will care...and it will be just parts here and there, never the full truth.
Kinda like the coup attempt on Trump. We can't give you any information because of an ongoing investigation. And the investigation will never end. Therefore don't ever expect any information. Kennedy has been dead for 50 years and they still won't release that.
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Old 06-30-2018, 05:21 PM   #8
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Just give up. This was a huge scam from the beginning. We will never know the truth. And if/when we ever get parts revealed to us no one will care...and it will be just parts here and there, never the full truth.
And most wouldn't believe anything else(the true story)if and when it is revealed anyway because the seed of what "they" want/wanted folks to believe about this mass killing was planted months ago and has taken a deep root..
Mission accomplished..........
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Old 06-30-2018, 11:45 PM   #9
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I donít think this shows anything. If I were them Iíd be waiting on someone like swat who is much more equipped to handle the situation. At that point they had no idea how many people where in that room with the rate of gunfire. I would imagine those first responders have relived that moment over and over again.


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Old 07-01-2018, 07:17 AM   #10
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I donít think this shows anything. If I were them Iíd be waiting on someone like swat who is much more equipped to handle the situation. At that point they had no idea how many people where in that room with the rate of gunfire. I would imagine those first responders have relived that moment over and over again.


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Alrighty. So you would be the cop standing outside the school waiting on swat while kids were getting shot inside?
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Old 07-01-2018, 11:41 AM   #11
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So he shot up a concert instead? Makes perfect sense.
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Old 07-01-2018, 12:52 PM   #13
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You need to do some more digging. I don't have all day to explain this one.
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Old 07-01-2018, 02:05 PM   #14
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You need to do some more digging. I don't have all day to explain this one.
The Prince theory has been out since the beginning. No digging necessary for me.
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Old 07-01-2018, 02:28 PM   #15
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I donít think this shows anything. If I were them Iíd be waiting on someone like swat who is much more equipped to handle the situation. At that point they had no idea how many people where in that room with the rate of gunfire. I would imagine those first responders have relived that moment over and over again.


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LOL.. So exactly how much "backup" does one armed LEO need in a situation like this.. After the third and fourth armed LEO showed up I guess that still wasn't enough..
Maybe they were waiting on him to run out of ammo OR they knew that there was much more to this situation..

I guess they should have loaned a gun to the brave security gaurd that went to confront the shooter.. You know the one that was "shot in the leg" as over 200 rounds were fired through the door at him....
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Thought this was interesting. Worth the watch!
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Have'nt seen this one until now... Interesting for sure..

Ya'll better listen to the lady in the pink camo!!!!!!
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Old 07-02-2018, 09:39 AM   #18
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wait wait wait.... If they are standing on floor 31 and the shooting took place from floor 32, then why are all the guys posted up securing from the bottom, at the very least I would expect the majority of the popo to be posted up to make sure the shooter doesn't come down??
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Old 07-02-2018, 09:48 AM   #19
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I'm done with all the conspiracy theories....I'm just going to wait for the movie to come out to see what all happened.
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Old 07-03-2018, 05:02 AM   #20
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Not sure why it's taking so long to put out all the facts. This investigation should have been wrapped up long ago.
It was!
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Old 07-03-2018, 08:09 AM   #21
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wait wait wait.... If they are standing on floor 31 and the shooting took place from floor 32, then why are all the guys posted up securing from the bottom, at the very least I would expect the majority of the popo to be posted up to make sure the shooter doesn't come down??


Maybe their job was to secure the stairwell while another team went for the shooter directly?
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Thought this was interesting. Worth the watch!

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It was!
I bet if you had the face to face chance you wouldn't tell that to the lady in the pink camo shirt..
Or the young man in the red Trojan shirt..

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I bet if you had the face to face chance you wouldn't tell that to the lady in the pink camo shirt..
Or the young man in the red Trojan shirt..
That gal right there would say anything for a free drink and buffet pass!
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Old 07-15-2018, 08:25 AM   #25
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So what’s the latest?
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Old 07-15-2018, 12:43 PM   #26
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Old 07-16-2018, 05:45 AM   #27
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So whatís the latest?
Trump is now a Russian spy....
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Old 07-16-2018, 09:30 AM   #28
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what shooting?
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Old 07-16-2018, 01:18 PM   #29
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I'm very confused...the Vegas shooting occurred on around 10pm Sunday October 1st. The police body cam footage shows a date & time (upper right corner) of 5am Monday October 2nd. Seems to me like the footage of them "waiting in the hallway during a massacre" is footage of them securing a building 7 hours later.

I'm assuming, of course, that the date & time on the body cam is accurate. Someone educate me please on what I'm missing???
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I'm very confused...the Vegas shooting occurred on around 10pm Sunday October 1st. The police body cam footage shows a date & time (upper right corner) of 5am Monday October 2nd. Seems to me like the footage of them "waiting in the hallway during a massacre" is footage of them securing a building 7 hours later.

I'm assuming, of course, that the date & time on the body cam is accurate. Someone educate me please on what I'm missing???
Do you hear helicopters?
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you should be hearing helicopters.
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Manadalay bay owners sue mass shooting victims. Interesting.

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Old 07-18-2018, 06:38 AM   #33
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that headline is misleading... they are suing to stop litigation against them.
I kind of agree with them.
Why is the hotel responsible for the actions of a lunatic?
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that headline is misleading... they are suing to stop litigation against them.
I kind of agree with them.
Why is the hotel responsible for the actions of a lunatic?
Agreed.
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that headline is misleading... they are suing to stop litigation against them.
I kind of agree with them.
Why is the hotel responsible for the actions of a lunatic?
Why should they bare some responsibility???
Because "hotel employees" helped him haul hundreds of pounds of guns and ammo into the hotel and up to his room all the while this is being videoed by hotel "security" cameras..
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Why should they bare some responsibility???
Because "hotel employees" helped him haul hundreds of pounds of guns and ammo into the hotel and up to his room all the while this is being videoed by hotel "security" cameras..
And heres the slope for ya.. hold on tight..

The valet helped too..by parking his car..
The guy that sold him gas helped too by providing him fuel to get those guns to their destination.
The Guy that sold him the the guns and ammo are at fault as well.. NOT to mention anyone that has sold him food or drink that kept him alive so he could do this deed.... and the city of mesquite is at fault as well for not recognizing he was a ****in nut job and getting him out of the population while he was there...
and you.. you're at fault...how the **** did you not foresee this and warn everyone.. surely you saw crows flying around..or secret codes in your daily national enquirer that could have tipped you off to this massive conspiracy.....
You. You did this.
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And heres the slope for ya.. hold on tight..

The valet helped too..by parking his car..
The guy that sold him gas helped too by providing him fuel to get those guns to their destination.
The Guy that sold him the the guns and ammo are at fault as well.. NOT to mention anyone that has sold him food or drink that kept him alive so he could do this deed.... and the city of mesquite is at fault as well for not recognizing he was a ****in nut job and getting him out of the population while he was there...
and you.. you're at fault...how the **** did you not foresee this and warn everyone.. surely you saw crows flying around..or secret codes in your daily national enquirer that could have tipped you off to this massive conspiracy.....
You. You did this.
And "hotel employees" assisted him in using the service elevator, numerous times, which is totally off of the beaten path and not normally used by guests, with no questions asked..
Did he have help or is this a just a coincidence?


Oh they will pay and pay big and for good reasons..

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You hear those sirens?
They coming for you.
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And "hotel employees" assisted him in using the service elevator, numerous times, which is totally off of the beaten path and not normally used by guests, with no questions asked..
Did he have help or is this a just a coincidence?


Oh they will pay and pay big and for good reasons..
So you're saying the hotel, or hotel employees KNEW what was in his luggage, and are therefore culpable?
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So you're saying the hotel, or hotel employees KNEW what was in his luggage, and are therefore culpable?
I'm saying that its very possible and highly probable that he had inside help..
Either way it was a serious breakdown in hotel "security"...
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And heres the slope for ya.. hold on tight..



The valet helped too..by parking his car..

The guy that sold him gas helped too by providing him fuel to get those guns to their destination.

The Guy that sold him the the guns and ammo are at fault as well.. NOT to mention anyone that has sold him food or drink that kept him alive so he could do this deed.... and the city of mesquite is at fault as well for not recognizing he was a ****in nut job and getting him out of the population while he was there...

and you.. you're at fault...how the **** did you not foresee this and warn everyone.. surely you saw crows flying around..or secret codes in your daily national enquirer that could have tipped you off to this massive conspiracy.....

You. You did this.


Hahahahahaha, well said.


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Old 07-18-2018, 09:26 AM   #42
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So you're saying the hotel, or hotel employees KNEW what was in his luggage, and are therefore culpable?
Are guns illegal? Then who cares if they knew he had guns.

The hotel should not be liable. Not even if an employee was in on it.
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I'm saying that its very possible and highly probable that he had inside help..
Either way it was a serious breakdown in hotel "security"...
I still fail to see where Mandalay Bay is culpable. Using the service elevator is not unusual AT ALL.
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The guy that sold him gas helped too by providing him fuel to get those guns to their destination.
Have you seen what has happened to gas cans in the past 10 years or so, what do you think the reason is that those things have gotten so dang complicated?

I dont really disagree with you sentiment. It comes down to the time line though, which is still not really clear. And I understand that MGM has stated they disagree with the one from LEO. If the casino held SWAT up, while people were being murdered, yea I can kinda see how the victims would want some recourse.
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When I posted the link I forgot to mention that I too...side with Mandalay on this. Unless any further information is released showing otherwise..the hotel is not liable in my humble opinion.
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