Reply
Go Back   TexasBowhunter.com Community Discussion Forums > Topics > Around the Campfire
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 01-10-2017, 05:06 PM   #1
texas assasin
Ten Point
 
texas assasin's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2015
Location: Katy
Hunt In: any place I can
Default No CHL in Texas???

What are yalls thoughts? y'all think this will stand? This is way above my pay grade. Maybe a legal expert can educate me on this. Just curious
Thanks
texas assasin is offline   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 01-10-2017, 05:08 PM   #2
PSE_TX
Four Point
 
PSE_TX's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2016
Location: Baytown
Hunt In: Jasper County
Default

To me it makes as much sense as allowing someone to drive without getting their license. Not a fan of carrying without a permit. Just my opinion though


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
PSE_TX is offline   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 01-10-2017, 05:10 PM   #3
Slick8
Pope & Young
 
Slick8's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Richmond, Texas
Hunt In: In the woods
Default

I'm all for it, it's our constitutional right to carry but the Feds left it up to the states to decide.

Having a permit solves nothing and makes NO ONE safer. It only generates revenue for the state and makes Law Abiding people jump through hoops.

The bad guys aren't worried about a carry permit...heck most of them can't legally own a weapon...
Slick8 is offline   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 01-10-2017, 05:14 PM   #4
Drycreek3189
Pope & Young
 
Drycreek3189's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2013
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Slick8 View Post
I'm all for it, it's our constitutional right to carry but the Feds left it up to the states to decide.

Having a permit solves nothing and makes NO ONE safer. It only generates revenue for the state and makes Law Abiding people jump through hoops.

The bad guys aren't worried about a carry permit...heck most of them can't legally own a weapon...
Wow! Thinking alike at the same time !
Drycreek3189 is online now   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 01-10-2017, 05:15 PM   #5
texas assasin
Ten Point
 
texas assasin's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2015
Location: Katy
Hunt In: any place I can
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Slick8 View Post
I'm all for it, it's our constitutional right to carry but the Feds left it up to the states to decide.

Having a permit solves nothing and makes NO ONE safer. It only generates revenue for the state and makes Law Abiding people jump through hoops.

The bad guys aren't worried about a carry permit...heck most of them can't legally own a weapon...
Well said.... bad guys don't give a sh..
good info/feedback from everyone keep it coming
texas assasin is offline   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 01-10-2017, 05:24 PM   #6
kumathebear
Pope & Young
 
kumathebear's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2014
Location: DFW area
Hunt In: Anywhere and when I can!
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Slick8 View Post
I'm all for it, it's our constitutional right to carry but the Feds left it up to the states to decide.

Having a permit solves nothing and makes NO ONE safer. It only generates revenue for the state and makes Law Abiding people jump through hoops.

The bad guys aren't worried about a carry permit...heck most of them can't legally own a weapon...
100% Agree! The CHL fees are a $$ maker for the state "politicians" to fund from. Just another false perception that no one but us "honest citizens" follow the laws and the bad guys continue to do their thing! "Come on man?!"
kumathebear is offline   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 01-11-2017, 06:49 AM   #7
justincorbell
Pope & Young
 
justincorbell's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: beautiful scenic China Texas
Hunt In: china, nome, beaumont, freer, junction and wherever I am lucky enough to be invited
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Slick8 View Post
I'm all for it, it's our constitutional right to carry but the Feds left it up to the states to decide.

Having a permit solves nothing and makes NO ONE safer. It only generates revenue for the state and makes Law Abiding people jump through hoops.

The bad guys aren't worried about a carry permit...heck most of them can't legally own a weapon...
^^^ This is my opinion regarding the subject as well. I agree 100%......... that permit doesn't make you better/safer than the next guy, it just means you went to a class and learned things your daddy shoulda taught you when you were a pup.........
justincorbell is offline   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 01-10-2017, 05:13 PM   #8
Drycreek3189
Pope & Young
 
Drycreek3189's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2013
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by PSE_TX View Post
To me it makes as much sense as allowing someone to drive without getting their license. Not a fan of carrying without a permit. Just my opinion though


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
I'm not a fan of jumping through hoops in order to defend my life and those of my family. The founders never intended anything more out of a free people than to protect you and yours. Obviously, criminals have no license. Aren't we at least as good as them ?
Drycreek3189 is online now   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 01-10-2017, 05:37 PM   #9
PSE_TX
Four Point
 
PSE_TX's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2016
Location: Baytown
Hunt In: Jasper County
Default No CHL in Texas???

Quote:
Originally Posted by Drycreek3189 View Post
I'm not a fan of jumping through hoops in order to defend my life and those of my family. The founders never intended anything more out of a free people than to protect you and yours. Obviously, criminals have no license. Aren't we at least as good as them ?


For me it's not about jumping through hoops. I learned a lot of great info that I hadn't even thought about before when I took my LTC class


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
PSE_TX is offline   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 01-10-2017, 05:44 PM   #10
Drycreek3189
Pope & Young
 
Drycreek3189's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2013
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by panhandlehunter View Post
I know.
Quote:
Originally Posted by PSE_TX View Post
For me it's not about jumping through hoops. I learned a lot of great info that I hadn't even thought about before when I took my LTC class


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
With all due respect, all I learned was the laws concerning a legal defense scenario, which is pretty well just common sense anyway. As mentioned above, the process is a joke.
Drycreek3189 is online now   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 01-11-2017, 12:41 PM   #11
lovemylegacy
Pope & Young
 
lovemylegacy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Mauriceville
Hunt In: SETx,La,Il,Ks,Mo
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Drycreek3189 View Post
I'm not a fan of jumping through hoops in order to defend my life and those of my family. The founders never intended anything more out of a free people than to protect you and yours. Obviously, criminals have no license. Aren't we at least as good as them ?
Agreed
lovemylegacy is offline   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 01-10-2017, 05:50 PM   #12
Mike D
Pope & Young
 
Mike D's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: North Texas
Hunt In: Haskell County, TX
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by PSE_TX View Post
To me it makes as much sense as allowing someone to drive without getting their license. Not a fan of carrying without a permit. Just my opinion though


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk


Quite a difference between a State controlled privilege vs a constitutional right wouldn't you say?


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro
Mike D is offline   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 01-10-2017, 05:59 PM   #13
PSE_TX
Four Point
 
PSE_TX's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2016
Location: Baytown
Hunt In: Jasper County
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike D View Post
Quite a difference between a State controlled privilege vs a constitutional right wouldn't you say?


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro


You are 100% correct. But I still believe that people should be educated on carrying a gun just like they should be on driving a car. I think the best solution would be to take a class and at the end of the class you're immediately issued a permit instead of dealing with the state. Because I also agree that the current process is not ideal


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
PSE_TX is offline   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 01-10-2017, 06:04 PM   #14
Mike D
Pope & Young
 
Mike D's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: North Texas
Hunt In: Haskell County, TX
Default No CHL in Texas???

Quote:
Originally Posted by PSE_TX View Post
You are 100% correct. But I still believe that people should be educated on carrying a gun just like they should be on driving a car. I think the best solution would be to take a class and at the end of the class you're immediately issued a permit instead of dealing with the state. Because I also agree that the current process is not ideal


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk


I totally agree that people should be educated. However I believe that should be the responsibility of the individual, not the State. If someone carries a gun, and is involved in a shooting that is not within the law, let them deal with the consequences.

I'm all about personal accountability, not forced accountability.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro
Mike D is offline   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 01-10-2017, 06:51 PM   #15
fishingsetx
Ten Point
 
fishingsetx's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2013
Location: silsbee, tx
Hunt In: silsbee and evadale, tx
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike D View Post
I totally agree that people should be educated. However I believe that should be the responsibility of the individual, not the State. If someone carries a gun, and is involved in a shooting that is not within the law, let them deal with the consequences.

I'm all about personal accountability, not forced accountability.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro
This I agree with along with constitutional carry! I knew pretty much everything my "instructor" taught in my class including correcting him a few times when he was teaching things wrong. If a person chooses to carry, they should do their own research or take a class to learn the laws. However, they should not be forced to take a state sanctioned class, submit fingerprints, and pay a rediculous fee just to exercise their rights!

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G890A using Tapatalk
fishingsetx is offline   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 01-10-2017, 05:09 PM   #16
Artos
Pope & Young
 
Artos's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Deep South TX
Hunt In: Deep South TX
Default

Freedom isn't very popular these days...
Artos is offline   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 01-10-2017, 05:13 PM   #17
panhandlehunter
Pope & Young
 
panhandlehunter's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Sweeny
Hunt In: Brazoria, Matagorda & Kinney Counties
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Artos View Post
Freedom isn't very popular these days...
I know.
panhandlehunter is online now   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 01-10-2017, 05:16 PM   #18
Grulla
Ten Point
 
Grulla's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2013
Location: Yoakum tx
Hunt In: Guadalupe River
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Artos View Post
Freedom isn't very popular these days...
No doubt . People are condition to give away God given rights these days .
Grulla is offline   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 01-10-2017, 06:20 PM   #19
AntlerCollector
Pope & Young
 
AntlerCollector's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2014
Hunt In: Votaw, Hardin/Polk Co., TX. Bon Weir, Newton Co., El Dorado, Schleicher Co., TX.
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Artos View Post
Freedom isn't very popular these days...


Yep
AntlerCollector is online now   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 01-10-2017, 07:41 PM   #20
12RingKing
Pope & Young
 
12RingKing's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Lake Jackson
Hunt In: The Grocery Store...
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Artos View Post
Freedom isn't very popular these days...
That's how I feel.... the CHL is just taxation on your right to defend yourself and your family
12RingKing is offline   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 01-11-2017, 10:06 AM   #21
FCoDxDart
Four Point
 
FCoDxDart's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: East Bernard
Hunt In: Flatonia
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Artos View Post
Freedom isn't very popular these days...
I'm all for more freedom, but having people just allowed to carry that don't know how to shoot or have any practice is scary. We don't need morons carrying guns and I feel the class should be more intense, cause people passed that didn't hit the target?! I don't want my family being anywhere near someone who doesn't understand how a gun functions in that situation.

I do feel that once you have your permit, you are allowed to carry anywhere in the state. Doesn't matter if they sell alcohol, police department, or governors mansion. If you are a law abiding citizen you don't plan on breaking laws whereas a criminal by nature does and might carry a gun in those areas regardless.
FCoDxDart is offline   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 01-11-2017, 10:49 AM   #22
fishingsetx
Ten Point
 
fishingsetx's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2013
Location: silsbee, tx
Hunt In: silsbee and evadale, tx
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by FCoDxDart View Post
I'm all for more freedom, but having people just allowed to carry that don't know how to shoot or have any practice is scary. We don't need morons carrying guns and I feel the class should be more intense, cause people passed that didn't hit the target?! I don't want my family being anywhere near someone who doesn't understand how a gun functions in that situation.

I do feel that once you have your permit, you are allowed to carry anywhere in the state. Doesn't matter if they sell alcohol, police department, or governors mansion. If you are a law abiding citizen you don't plan on breaking laws whereas a criminal by nature does and might carry a gun in those areas regardless.
Id rather 10 untrained citizens with a gun than 100 unarmed victims in a mass shooting incident. As for personal self defense, the proximity is so close that being am expert marksman isnt needed. How many lives have been saved by untrained civilians who happened to have a gun?

You cant legislate a right and forcing a training class on someone to exercise that right should be illegal! Imagine if you had to pay for a license, training class, background check,fingerprints etc to vote and voting can have much further reaching consequences than carrying a handgun for personal protection!

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G890A using Tapatalk
fishingsetx is offline   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 01-11-2017, 11:46 AM   #23
Tx_Wader
Ten Point
 
Tx_Wader's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: El Campo
Hunt In: Jackson County and Utopia
Default Artos

Quote:
Originally Posted by Artos View Post
Freedom isn't very popular these days...
Expound on that a bit if you would.

If someone isn't comfortable with certain people carrying a handgun you spout off that they don't like "freedom".

A lot of those folks fought for this country and the freedoms that it offers so I'm a bit confused as to your thought processing.

We have CHL's we have open carry already and maybe Constitutional Carry.

So do you want to do away with the background checks we have to go through to purchase a handgun? I'm for it, we didn't have it before 1968. My Dad used to buy all types of guns through the old Shotgun News from people and they would ship via railroad to the local station. I would love to be able to do that myself!

I mean after all, making us go through background checks infringes upon our 2nd Amendment rights.

Right?
Tx_Wader is offline   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 01-11-2017, 04:28 PM   #24
Artos
Pope & Young
 
Artos's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Deep South TX
Hunt In: Deep South TX
Default

What the hell is there to expand on regarding Constitutional Freedom??

I'm not comfortable with what a lot of people say and how they express themselves...those tarded nimrods calling themselves Baptist who protest a soldiers deaths at their funerals, burning the American Flag, etc., but ****ed if they don't have the right to it with freedom of expression & speech.

Please post up links / data of all the problems, issues, accidents of a person carrying in a state with Constitutional Carry that back up the concerns. THERE ARE NOT ANY or at least a minute amount to regulate the freedom some wish to keep Texas from having.

This isn't brain surgery...

I'm an FFL & make a little bit of $$$$ on background checks, although it's a very small portion of my biz so it may sound contrary to the game I'm in. It is perfectly legal for you to sell your gun to any member on this forum FTF. Should I as an FFL try to pass legislation to force everyone go through an FFL?? NO!! I do not pass the laws, I simply follow them. If background checks became not needed, it wouldn't bother me or hurt my business. I did not become an FFL to capitalize on 4473's.




Quote:
Originally Posted by Tx_Wader View Post
Expound on that a bit if you would.

If someone isn't comfortable with certain people carrying a handgun you spout off that they don't like "freedom".

A lot of those folks fought for this country and the freedoms that it offers so I'm a bit confused as to your thought processing.

We have CHL's we have open carry already and maybe Constitutional Carry.

So do you want to do away with the background checks we have to go through to purchase a handgun? I'm for it, we didn't have it before 1968. My Dad used to buy all types of guns through the old Shotgun News from people and they would ship via railroad to the local station. I would love to be able to do that myself!

I mean after all, making us go through background checks infringes upon our 2nd Amendment rights.

Right?
Artos is offline   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 01-10-2017, 05:09 PM   #25
Drycreek3189
Pope & Young
 
Drycreek3189's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2013
Default

If it passes, I think the governor will sign it, but I doubt it passes. Too many politicians of both parties think they need more and more power, not less.
Drycreek3189 is online now   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 01-10-2017, 05:12 PM   #26
Artos
Pope & Young
 
Artos's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Deep South TX
Hunt In: Deep South TX
Default

Permits will still be somewhat desirable as long as it helps the gun buying process & those wanting to avoid the nics wait...just my opinion.
Artos is offline   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 01-10-2017, 05:14 PM   #27
Grant2
Ten Point
 
Grant2's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2012
Hunt In: Sonroa, Comfort
Default

I think you should be able to carry anywhere anytime. Criminals could careless about laws and don't pay attention to gun free zones they actually like them better. I see no difference in being able to carry a gun in my car without it or having it on me. I'm not worried about law bidding citizens doing the right thing.
Grant2 is offline   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 01-10-2017, 05:26 PM   #28
DarrellS
Ten Point
 
DarrellS's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Lorena,Texas
Hunt In: Limestone and Mills Counties
Default

"Shall not be infringed"....
Licensing is an infringement

Sent from my SM-G930V using Tapatalk
DarrellS is offline   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 01-11-2017, 08:53 AM   #29
BigWes
Eight Point
 
BigWes's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Spring, TX
Hunt In: Grimes County
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by DarrellS View Post
"Shall not be infringed"....
Licensing is an infringement

Sent from my SM-G930V using Tapatalk
Imagine if the right to vote had been regulated with licensing, how much of an uproar there would be. The uproar over simply requiring an ID is already comical. Both are rights recognized under the constitution yet they are regulated differently. Doesn't make much sense. Both should be allowed in the same manner.
BigWes is offline   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 01-11-2017, 08:57 AM   #30
Ironman
Pope & Young
 
Ironman's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Northern Wise County
Hunt In: Anywhere
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by BigWes View Post
Imagine if the right to vote had been regulated with licensing, how much of an uproar there would be. The uproar over simply requiring an ID is already comical. Both are rights recognized under the constitution yet they are regulated differently. Doesn't make much sense. Both should be allowed in the same manner.
There actually used to be a poll tax. It didn't go over so well.
Ironman is offline   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 01-10-2017, 05:26 PM   #31
Rush2Judge
Eight Point
 
Rush2Judge's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: Plano
Hunt In: Wood County
Default

I've got no problem with needing a license to carry as long as it is not overly burdensome (State has to prove why I can't have it vs. me proving I "need" it). It's a very clear line of demarcation when talking about gun crimes. It is easy to analyze how many "law abiding citizens" are committing gun crimes versus "thugs". Without a license, it would be too convenient for the media to blur the lines, making it easier on on them in their continued assault on the 2nd amendment.

Guess I am in the minority.
Rush2Judge is offline   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 01-10-2017, 05:29 PM   #32
flywise
Pope & Young
 
flywise's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Kempner,Tx
Hunt In: Blanco, Nacadoches,NewMexico,Colorado
Default

I dont have a permit and been holding off getting one for many years because i do not believe i should need one.
flywise is offline   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 01-10-2017, 05:30 PM   #33
DJM
Pope & Young
 
DJM's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Kempner TX
Hunt In: Mills Co,Coryell Co,Lampasas Co
Default

I'm all for it.The only issue I see is if traveling to another state.(If national reciprosity passes.)

DJ
DJM is offline   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 01-10-2017, 05:31 PM   #34
Fightinaggies
Pope & Young
 
Fightinaggies's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: New Braunfels, Texas
Hunt In: Sutton County
Default

If you have taken the class you know what a joke it is anyway
Fightinaggies is offline   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 01-10-2017, 05:51 PM   #35
Felix40
Ten Point
 
Felix40's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Farmington, NM
Hunt In: Public land
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Fightinaggies View Post
If you have taken the class you know what a joke it is anyway
This. The class is a complete joke and waste of time and money. A lady at my class was hitting targets next to hers and needed help clearing several limp wristing jams. She still got a license.
Felix40 is offline   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 01-10-2017, 05:56 PM   #36
Mike D
Pope & Young
 
Mike D's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: North Texas
Hunt In: Haskell County, TX
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Fightinaggies View Post
If you have taken the class you know what a joke it is anyway


So you knew the penal code laws regarding trespassing and deadly force before your class?

I have no shame admitting I didn't. Before your class did you do due diligence to keep up with new laws regarding these items? I didn't.

To say the class is a joke is disingenuous. I don't believe the shooting qualification shoot even be a requirement. They should do nothing more than teach you the laws.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro
Mike D is offline   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 01-10-2017, 11:02 PM   #37
Fightinaggies
Pope & Young
 
Fightinaggies's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: New Braunfels, Texas
Hunt In: Sutton County
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike D View Post
So you knew the penal code laws regarding trespassing and deadly force before your class?

I have no shame admitting I didn't. Before your class did you do due diligence to keep up with new laws regarding these items? I didn't.

To say the class is a joke is disingenuous. I don't believe the shooting qualification shoot even be a requirement. They should do nothing more than teach you the laws.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro


Yes actually I did because I did my research well ahead of time as should everyone else. I have sat through two different ones and while yes Rey covered the laws and he penal code there is a lot more in depth info then is covered in any class


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Fightinaggies is offline   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 01-11-2017, 08:46 AM   #38
mmurphey
Four Point
 
Join Date: Dec 2016
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike D View Post
So you knew the penal code laws regarding trespassing and deadly force before your class?

I have no shame admitting I didn't. Before your class did you do due diligence to keep up with new laws regarding these items? I didn't.

To say the class is a joke is disingenuous. I don't believe the shooting qualification shoot even be a requirement. They should do nothing more than teach you the laws.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro
Agreed X2. But also, no one claims the shooting portion is designed to test marksmanship ability. It's intended to verify that a person can at least manipulate a firearm successfully: load, unload, safety on, safety off, fire, etc.
mmurphey is offline   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 01-11-2017, 08:17 AM   #39
Team Roper
Eight Point
 
Team Roper's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Fort Worth
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Fightinaggies View Post
If you have taken the class you know what a joke it is anyway
^^^^^^ This x 1000
Team Roper is offline   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 01-11-2017, 02:25 PM   #40
SwampRabbit
Pope & Young
 
SwampRabbit's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: Tomball, TX
Hunt In: Hill Country & East Texas
Default

I am for requiring permits for public carry. I don't think you should need one to own a gun, or have it and use it at home or on private property. But for public, I think licensing is reasonable, and not an infringement assuming it is under shall issue conditions like in our state.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Fightinaggies View Post
If you have taken the class you know what a joke it is anyway
Yeah, I took the class and realized that most of the people in there NEEDED to take the class. What some people thought was justified is just plain scary.

I mean, maybe we should lower the driving age to 10, let folks vote at the age of 6. There comes a point where it is acceptable to have folks have a certain amount of life experience or schooling to be able to flex those rights in public.

So anywho... I guess my point is, I don't feel infringed upon by the CHL process in our state. I would however feel infringed upon by the CHL process of the states of California, New York, and New Jersey.
SwampRabbit is offline   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 01-10-2017, 05:33 PM   #41
chopsknives
Associate Sponsor
 
chopsknives's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: Bob Sandlin Lake, North East Texas
Default

When I lived in Co I had to do a lot of work in Montana which was open carry no permit and you know they were just as polite as can be everywhere I went! Across one state line and they were jerks with only CHL carry allowed! Seems people act a little more respectful when they know most around them are armed!!
chopsknives is offline   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 01-10-2017, 05:48 PM   #42
texas assasin
Ten Point
 
texas assasin's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2015
Location: Katy
Hunt In: any place I can
Default

I know the laws and have common sense don't have a chl refuse to contribute to a b/s law i will defend myself and family if need be and deal with unlawful carry afterwards
Too much info maybe
texas assasin is offline   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 01-10-2017, 05:55 PM   #43
bowhuntntxn
Pope & Young
 
bowhuntntxn's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Denton, TX
Default

A lisence is nothing more than a way for the government to make you buy back a freedoms they took away.

It won't pass because of the loss of revenue stream into the government coffers.
bowhuntntxn is offline   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 01-10-2017, 05:53 PM   #44
J-Fish
Eight Point
 
J-Fish's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: Conroe, TX
Hunt In: Walker and Menard County
Default

So anyone can buy a gun (that passes background), but you need to have a license to carry it out of the house....

Yeah, I hope it passes. I will still keep my concealed carry license, but to me it makes since to be able to constitutionally carry.

I think it maks since to have people set down and think about the responsibility of having the power to conceal carry a weapon for 8-10 hours on a Saturday to obtain a license. I think it made since to have people qualify to shoot to be able to carry. But my desire to have less government in out business makes the most since to me.
J-Fish is offline   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 01-10-2017, 05:55 PM   #45
Physhstyx
Ten Point
 
Physhstyx's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Dickinson , Texas
Hunt In: Youngsport, Tx
Default

States that already have constitutional carry are: Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, Idaho (residents only), Kansas, Maine, Mississippi, Missouri, Vermont, West Virginia, Wyoming (residents only).

States with limited permit-less...Montana (outside city limits), New Hampshire (unloaded weapon, loaded magazine), Oklahoma (residents of constitutional carry states).

.
22 states are currently petitioning constitutional carry.

http://www.gunlaws.com/ConstitutionalCarryIndex.htm

Lastly...Texas already has a form of permit-less carry with the castle doctrine passed in 2007. you can carry in your vehicle without a permit. It is considered part of your domicile.

I am for our "FREEDOM" to carry without a permit. I will likely keep my permit for hassle free gun purchases.

Last edited by Physhstyx; 01-10-2017 at 06:03 PM.
Physhstyx is offline   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 01-10-2017, 06:00 PM   #46
quarterback
Pope & Young
 
quarterback's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Sunnyvale
Hunt In: San Saba
Default

I'm not sure what this changes. We already have the right to carry and to defend ourselves, our homestead, our autos, our possessions etc. with or without a CHL. Honestly I do not see much of an advantage for getting my CHL except that I might learn something from a class (which is good).
quarterback is offline   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 01-10-2017, 06:05 PM   #47
Mike D
Pope & Young
 
Mike D's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: North Texas
Hunt In: Haskell County, TX
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by quarterback View Post
I'm not sure what this changes. We already have the right to carry and to defend ourselves, our homestead, our autos, our possessions etc. with or without a CHL. Honestly I do not see much of an advantage for getting my CHL except that I might learn something from a class (which is good).


You do not have the right to carry a weapon on your person in public without a license as it currently stands.

Unless you never leave your house or vehicle, the other options are pretty pointless.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro
Mike D is offline   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 01-10-2017, 06:08 PM   #48
meltingfeather
Ten Point
 
Join Date: Oct 2012
Location: austin
Hunt In: Gillespie, San Saba & Kerr primarily
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike D View Post
You do not have the right to carry a weapon on your person in public without a license as it currently stands.
Yes you do... it just has to have a stock and a barrel longer than 16"
meltingfeather is offline   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 01-10-2017, 08:37 PM   #49
Mike D
Pope & Young
 
Mike D's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: North Texas
Hunt In: Haskell County, TX
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by meltingfeather View Post
Yes you do... it just has to have a stock and a barrel longer than 16"


Touche' sir.
Mike D is offline   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 01-10-2017, 06:05 PM   #50
meltingfeather
Ten Point
 
Join Date: Oct 2012
Location: austin
Hunt In: Gillespie, San Saba & Kerr primarily
Default

Let me get this straight...
Criminals don't follow laws, so why should we have laws?
meltingfeather is offline   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 06:00 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2018, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
Copyright 1999-2012, TexasBowhunter.com