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Old 01-28-2018, 11:34 AM   #501
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What are your guys thoughts on the 257 Wby in a 26” vs 24”?

Guys at Alamo recommend 26” but my stubbornness really wants to shave a couple inches off since I run everything supressed
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I agree on the shorter barrel for a suppressor but the 257 wby is way underutilized with 24 inches.

IMO, too many people get wrapped up in a particular cartridge rather then an end goal.

What is your goal with the 257 Roy? Is it laser flat to 400 yards, extreme long range or sentimental attachment. I seem to recall you already having a 257 so perhaps it's attachment or you have bullets dies and powder to stuff your own.

Let's take a look at what will deliver flat shooter performance to 400 or so yards and killing power well beyond that. I would look at something like a 7mm WSM with a 130 grain bullet. The new 65 saum with a 120 or 130 would do really well from a 22 or 24 tube as would a 280AI with a 120 or 130. You could add the 65x284 to that list as well.

If you don't stuff your own the good ole 7rm in a 1:9 twist slinging a 140 would do you well and add the versatility of stepping up to a 160 grain.

Those will hit harder and carry a higher BC per grain then the quarter bore.

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Well, glass is on the way. Went with Zeiss Conquest HD5, 3-15X42. Now need to decide on rings.
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Well, glass is on the way. Went with Zeiss Conquest HD5, 3-15X42. Now need to decide on rings.
You won't be disappointed. I have a HD5 2-10x42 on my 30-06 and its a great scope, especially with some of the deals on the HD 5 lately.
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Hi Robert, do you guys built Left handed guns at all? What if I provide a left handed action? Not talking in regards to this deal.
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What are your guys thoughts on the 257 Wby in a 26Ē vs 24Ē?

Guys at Alamo recommend 26Ē but my stubbornness really wants to shave a couple inches off since I run everything supressed


Go longer.

And in virtually every case listen to the recommendation of a competent gunsmith if you have fully discussed your goals with the gun. They know what works.
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You will see between 75-100 fps loss from 26Ē to 24Ē.


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I agree on the shorter barrel for a suppressor but the 257 wby is way underutilized with 24 inches.

IMO, too many people get wrapped up in a particular cartridge rather then an end goal.

What is your goal with the 257 Roy? Is it laser flat to 400 yards, extreme long range or sentimental attachment. I seem to recall you already having a 257 so perhaps it's attachment or you have bullets dies and powder to stuff your own.

Let's take a look at what will deliver flat shooter performance to 400 or so yards and killing power well beyond that. I would look at something like a 7mm WSM with a 130 grain bullet. The new 65 saum with a 120 or 130 would do really well from a 22 or 24 tube as would a 280AI with a 120 or 130. You could add the 65x284 to that list as well.

If you don't stuff your own the good ole 7rm in a 1:9 twist slinging a 140 would do you well and add the versatility of stepping up to a 160 grain.

Those will hit harder and carry a higher BC per grain then the quarter bore.

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You won't be disappointed. I have a HD5 2-10x42 on my 30-06 and its a great scope, especially with some of the deals on the HD 5 lately.


Who had these deals?


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Cabelas still has some.
http://www.cabelas.com/product/Zeiss...6.uts?slotId=0
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Those are 1" tubes. Is that what you got?
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I’m having a hard time deciding between the VX6 or a Swaro Z5

Don’t believe I’ll ever shoot further than 500 yards with it so leaning Swaro and just holding even though it’s not much holding in all honesty.

Bought a 300 rum that’s getting a VX6 with the cds dual and a TMOA reticle for reaching out and touching stuff
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Old 01-30-2018, 04:36 PM   #515
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$700 for the 3-15 is a dang good deal!
I have one on my 7mm-08 and it's a good scope... I was initially hesitant about the BDC reticle (Rapid Z 600) but I like it OK and it's easy to understand.
I have a dope chart for zoom settings and my holds are good based on that. Depending on your ballistics you may or may not be using max magnification. Since the max has to correspond to flat, fast trajectories, the slower and more arching your ballistics, the further from max you'll be. I'm pushing a 162gr. pill at 2,500 fps in my 7mm-08 and I'll probably be shooting at 11.5X based on the chart I worked up.
139gr. pills in the 2,850 range get me to max for some conditions.
You can also use it as a more "normal" BDC reticle by basing your dope chart on max magnification, just the 4, 5, & 6 hashes aren't going to be 400, 500 & 600 yards, which is fine too.
I'm going to West Texas on an Auodad hunt this weekend and may take an alternate dope chart to use max magnification... we'll see. The idea just occurred to me while writing this post.
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Old 01-30-2018, 07:05 PM   #517
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I’m having a hard time deciding between the VX6 or a Swaro Z5

Don’t believe I’ll ever shoot further than 500 yards with it so leaning Swaro and just holding even though it’s not much holding in all honesty.

Bought a 300 rum that’s getting a VX6 with the cds dual and a TMOA reticle for reaching out and touching stuff
I too was looking at the Swarovski Z5. Heard after the 500 yard ring on the BT scopes there was hardly any elevation left.

I wound up going with the Zeiss V6 Conquest in 5-30x50. I will then get the Kenton Industries turrets for it once I get my build from APR.

Gonna be a long wait until June.
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Hi Robert, do you guys built Left handed guns at all? What if I provide a left handed action? Not talking in regards to this deal.
May want to send him a PM.
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Old 01-30-2018, 07:10 PM   #519
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I too was looking at the Swarovski Z5. Heard after the 500 yard ring on the BT scopes there was hardly any elevation left.

I wound up going with the Zeiss V6 Conquest in 5-30x50. I will then get the Kenton Industries turrets for it once I get my build from APR.

Gonna be a long wait until June.
Thatís another option Iíve thought about doing
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Old 01-30-2018, 07:13 PM   #520
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Just got mine ordered

6.5 Creedmoor
22" barrel
Ratchet flutes
black, brown, and off white ambush camo
burnt bronze action and barrel

I really was leaning more towards 6.5-284 or 6.5 PRC when I called, but for my goals for this rifle and wanting to keep the barrel at 22" to run suppressed, 6.5 Creedmor will do all I need it to do and then some.....can't wait to get my hands on it and get my 1000 yd range built to have some fun.
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Old 01-30-2018, 07:20 PM   #521
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I have seen LH builds from APR

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Old 01-30-2018, 09:00 PM   #522
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Just got mine ordered

6.5 Creedmoor
22" barrel
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black, brown, and off white ambush camo
burnt bronze action and barrel

I really was leaning more towards 6.5-284 or 6.5 PRC when I called, but for my goals for this rifle and wanting to keep the barrel at 22" to run suppressed, 6.5 Creedmor will do all I need it to do and then some.....can't wait to get my hands on it and get my 1000 yd range built to have some fun.


Thatís gonna be awesome, nice colors!


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Just got mine ordered

6.5 Creedmoor
22" barrel
Ratchet flutes
black, brown, and off white ambush camo
burnt bronze action and barrel

I really was leaning more towards 6.5-284 or 6.5 PRC when I called, but for my goals for this rifle and wanting to keep the barrel at 22" to run suppressed, 6.5 Creedmor will do all I need it to do and then some.....can't wait to get my hands on it and get my 1000 yd range built to have some fun.
A 1000 yard range you say...? Hello, my name is Craig and I have an addiction...

Sounds like a good build and good choice for the barrel length.
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I too canít help on the 300 but Robert built me a 240 wby and itís a hammer!


I have always wanted a 240 wby. How does it perform at range?
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Just got mine ordered

6.5 Creedmoor
22" barrel
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burnt bronze action and barrel

I really was leaning more towards 6.5-284 or 6.5 PRC when I called, but for my goals for this rifle and wanting to keep the barrel at 22" to run suppressed, 6.5 Creedmor will do all I need it to do and then some.....can't wait to get my hands on it and get my 1000 yd range built to have some fun.
Sounds awesome!
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Just got mine ordered

6.5 Creedmoor
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burnt bronze action and barrel

I really was leaning more towards 6.5-284 or 6.5 PRC when I called, but for my goals for this rifle and wanting to keep the barrel at 22" to run suppressed, 6.5 Creedmor will do all I need it to do and then some.....can't wait to get my hands on it and get my 1000 yd range built to have some fun.


Nice build!
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Looking forward to it!

Jimmy was extremely helpful and walked me thru questions I had. Called in wanting a .26 Nosler. But after you walk thru it, the CM is the smart choice if you aren’t going to reload and as much as I’d like to... just don’t have the time

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Ratchet flute
Desert transition stock
Elite smoke cerakote action and barrel
Looking forward to it!

Jimmy was extremely helpful and walked me thru questions I had. Called in wanting a .26 Nosler. But after you walk thru it, the CM is the smart choice if you arenít going to reload and as much as Iíd like to... just donít have the time
For me reloading wasn't the issue, but wanting to keep it to a 22" barrel to run the suppressor was my biggest hurdle. I really wanted one of the faster 6.5 calibers, but they just didn't make sense. This will be my gun for a couple of years until my son who is 5 now is ready, then I will give it to him, so the lower recoil of the CM was a bonus to me from that aspect as well.
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I went with CM for several reasons but I have 3 kids that will also be using this gun. That played a role in it as well. I currently shoot a 7STW in a sendero and it is devistating on any deer. I call it semi custom as I have had a little work done to it and replaced trigger with a jewel. So I really have a .284 option that I am happy with. Have wanted a 6.5 caliber of some kind so the kids can use it. I know this CM will be a shooter. Really was the best option for me
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Just put down my deposit

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Looking forward to it!


Just curious why the 260AI with the short barrel?
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Just curious why the 260AI with the short barrel?


Cause itís faster than a standard 260 at 22 inches


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Cause itís faster than a standard 260 at 22 inches


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Maybe I should call back and change mine to the 260AI or 6.5PRC. I really struggle with wanting an extra 150fps with the 6.5 bullet
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Maybe I should call back and change mine to the 260AI or 6.5PRC. I really struggle with wanting an extra 150fps with the 6.5 bullet


Iíd stick with the CM if I were you for the reasons you listed. Who knows if your son will be into reloading or not when you arenít around. Keep it to where he can buy the factory ammo is my opinion.

Unless it really isnít for him and thatís just what you told your wife donít worry your secret is safe with me. Been down that road my self.


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It is for him, mainly because by that time Iíll want to build one a little differently for me.
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Maybe I should call back and change mine to the 260AI or 6.5PRC. I really struggle with wanting an extra 150fps with the 6.5 bullet


Your choice is solid especially considering factory ammo.

260AI needs handloads

6.5PRC is young and factory ammo support is yet unknown.
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Just curious why the 260AI with the short barrel?
I'm not going to lie, I don't have any objective reasons. Mostly because I wanted something totally custom that I couldn't remotely buy off the shelf.

I'm a reloader so I wanted something I could shoot forever and not worry about finding brass.

I hate trimming brass.

I can shoot normal .260 out of it in a pinch.

Its going to be a hunting gun but I t'll probably never be shot beyond 200m in a hunting situation so I don't really care about any speed lost with the short barrel. I'm more concerned with how handy and maneuverable it is.

Also my buddy has a .257ai and I've always wanted an ai
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Maybe I should call back and change mine to the 260AI or 6.5PRC. I really struggle with wanting an extra 150fps with the 6.5 bullet
I believe they'll steer you toward the 6.5x284 for the use case "I want 150 more FPS than 6.5 Creedmoor" as they have others in this thread. I ordered one myself.
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You can run the 260 in a 20 or 22 inch barrel and still get great performance. A buddy of mine ran a 22 inch 260 with a can and shot to 1000 regularly.

Fluting is mostly cosmetic. While it does reduce weight to some degree it wonít affect balance as much as you are thinking.


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Weíve taken multiple 6.5x47s past a mile on more than a few occasions. I canít think of anyone that runs longer than 22Ē either. The x47 runs a touch slower than the .260 as well.
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I have always wanted a 240 wby. How does it perform at range?
Itís a fast 6mm. It will perform awesome at distance if the twist is fast enough to run the heavies. Weíve taken much slower 6mms to 1818 in good conditions. The 240 should handle most anything you can stumble across.
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Man I really want to order a gun but I'm racking my brain on what caliber. I really want an 100ish grain bullet and want to run suppressed but I already have a nice .243.
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Man I really want to order a gun but I'm racking my brain on what caliber. I really want an 100ish grain bullet and want to run suppressed but I already have a nice .243.


Sounds like you need a 25-06!
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Got my 7mm-08 on order today... just waiting on Jimmy to get me a few scope options and I'll be itching to pull the trigger.
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Got my 7mm-08 on order today... just waiting on Jimmy to get me a few scope options and I'll be itching to pull the trigger.
Mind posting specs?
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Old 02-03-2018, 07:14 PM   #546
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I'm not nearly the expert you guys are but I think I got a Grayboe Terrain Tan/Black Web/Ratchet Fluted 20'' Threaded Barrel with radial break on order.
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I looked on the website and couldnít find anything on it. So whatís the break-in process for these rifles.


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interested in this. I think I have "broke in" exactly one rifle. Maybe 2 and I sold one of those.

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Old 02-04-2018, 10:22 AM   #549
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Most quality barrel manufacturers say just go shoot it.

If you just want to take it slow you can shoot a group (3-5 shots) then clean the bore out. Shoot another group and repeat for as long as makes you happy. I generally donít clean between groups after 20 shots (5 round groups).

I know guys that do less and I know guys that do more. YMMV

Most importantly enjoy your new tack driver. Iím sure Robert will chime in shortly


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Old 02-04-2018, 12:49 PM   #550
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That is a good question. And one with a lot of answers, some may even be right There are a lot of opinions out there on this topic, and they are just that....opinions. I'll give you mine based on what I have observed.

There is a difference between breaking in and settling in. A good barrel will have a nice bore finish that was lapped in before your builder ever received the blank(most times). The only area that will be disturbed by the chambering process that will actually be contacted by the bullet is the leade in the throat. A very short, but very critical area of the bore. If it is not concentric, accuracy will suffer. If it is not smooth, it will set up a copper fouling issue that can be seen over the entire length of the barrel. There will be micro tooling marks left in this area no matter how good or sharp the reamer was that was used. The smaller these marks are, the better off you'll be. The "break in" process is supposed to take care of this issue by gradually "smoothing out" this area prior to bringing the barrel into it's service life.

I'm not sure I buy into this theory any more based on what I have seen, but I won't discount it either. The obvious issue is that copper is MUCH softer than steel, especially the copper on bullet jackets. It would take way more bullets down the tube than most break in procedures call for to see ANY appreciable "smoothing" or wear of the barrel steel. What DOES move barrel steel is fire and pressure. You can see the results of this through a good borescope after just 10-15 rounds. The thing is, it does not make things smoother. It actually makes them a little rougher. But it probably does bring the throat into a condition that allows it to load with just enough copper to "settle in" which most folks will perceive as "broken in".

I don't believe you can ever "break in" or smooth a throat with conventional methods if it has really heavy tooling marks to begin with. You will have quick and heavy copper fouling that will continue to build all the way out to the crown. I believe it "might" get better or begin to normalize with some throat erosion depending on how bad it was to begin with. No common "break in" procedure will really fix this situation.

It probably IS a good idea to shoot/clean for 2-3 rounds. There will be a micro wire edge left on the trailing edge of the lands from the reamer, and it will be cleaned up quickly in those first few rounds. In my mind, it's "broken in" at that point. Now it's time to "settle in", which can't happen if you keep cleaning it while trying to "break it in". Cut rifled barrels tend to "settle in" a little faster than button rifled barrels in the beginning.

Bottom line for me personally is that I no longer run a break in procedure on my own barrels. I'll clean them each time after the first couple outings, then only when they need it or are going to be stored for awhile. Each barrel is different and will tell you when it needs attention. Whether you decide to do a break in or not, be sure to get a GOOD fitted bore guide before running a cleaning rod down your new barrel. Improper cleaning techniques during the break in process cause far more barrel damage than most folks were trying to correct by doing the procedure in the first place.
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