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Old 09-17-2018, 08:11 AM   #1
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This is new info: "Chubon and the guide, who the Associated Press reports was 37-year-old Mark Uptain, went to the woods in Jackson, Wyoming, to retrieve an elk that they had killed the day before. Chubon's father, who was on the trip but did not go with the two to get the animal, said he was told the two men were pulling the elk's carcass out of the woods on horseback when two bears attacked.

Chubon was grabbed by the ankles and tossed off of his horse, his father said. Chubon was able to point a pistol at the bear, but the animal knocked it out of his hands. Uptain was grabbed by the same bear and dragged into the woods; The AP reports that his body was found Saturday."

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Old 09-17-2018, 08:17 AM   #2
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Mercy, I Wouldn't want to live with that guilty feeling the rest of my life.
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Mercy, I Wouldn't want to live with that guilty feeling the rest of my life.
Yep, a big ole poozy . Let me throw my gun and run. Was probably asking about a refund on his hunt, as he was running away.
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Unbelievably sad deal. I know I wasn’t there and by no means will I claim to fully understand the situation but I just can’t fathom why he would throw the gun and not use it.

Edit: In the first clip the interviewer states that he was trying to “load the pistol” which might explain why he threw it to the guide. Idk. If that’s the case, why on earth would it not already be loaded and one in the chamber?

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What a coward. Doesn't even deny running away while the guide is being killed. Why didn't he use the gun instead of tossing it?



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I was trying to give him the benefit of the doubt but neither of those articles make him sound brave or remorseful.
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Grabbed by his ankle and thrown? Lol he had a 2” scrape along the back of his leg. I’ve had worse injuries when playing with pups that get too excited.
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I'm sure there will be more to this story.
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My question is why wouldn't a professional guide in bear country have his own pistol? They weren't hunting at that time, they were recovering a carcass that could attract predators of all kinds. It's a very sad deal and I'm praying for all involved.
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"The approach that he took in dealing with the bears probably saved my life," Chubon said.


Yeah, the guide willingly fed himself to the bears so that you could be saved. That was his approach. Hahahaha
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My question is why wouldn't a professional guide in bear country have his own pistol? They weren't hunting at that time, they were recovering a carcass that could attract predators of all kinds. It's a very sad deal and I'm praying for all involved.
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Old 09-17-2018, 08:54 AM   #13
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Interesting that the gun wasnt recovered. Something about all of that story is weird. That man left behind 5 children, praying for that family. The reporting seems to be poor at best. I wonder what happened to the horses? Were they mauled in all of this as well?

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Old 09-17-2018, 08:58 AM   #14
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Horrible and prayers for all involved. Don't know all of the circumstances but if I were going to retrieve a day old carcass in grizzly country I'd prefer a long tube 12 gauge, followed by a handgun. Hard not to judge the survivor but I've never been in a situation anywhere near that scenario.
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This whole story is so weird.

I understand being scared, but throwing your gun to the guide. 🤦🏻*♂️


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Old 09-17-2018, 09:12 AM   #16
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Horrible and prayers for all involved. Don't know all of the circumstances but if I were going to retrieve a day old carcass in grizzly country I'd prefer a long tube 12 gauge, followed by a handgun. Hard not to judge the survivor but I've never been in a situation anywhere near that scenario.
Totally agree.
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I hate reporters. They caught an elk.

I didn’t know you could fish for elk.


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doesn't sound round to me,,, the bear attacks, nocks the gun out of his hand,, and while the bear has him he somehow retrieves the gun, but does not use it, he limp wrists the throw to the guide gets on his horse that is still standing there with TWO bears on full on attack and rides away?

how does he have enough thought process to retrieve the gun, but not enough manhood to use it,,, but thinks " the guide needs my gun more than I do" so I will throw it to him and run away,, ..

I know nothing about horses and don't pretend to,, but I do not see them standing around with bears in a ticked off mood! the article reads like both horses were pulling the elk,,, if so he had enough time and thought to either cut the rope with a knife he had to get from somewhere or untie the rope, all the while the horse stood still ?

I have issues with his "story",,,, or at least the written version of it.... and what happened to the gun because it was not found
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Old 09-17-2018, 09:19 AM   #19
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My question is why wouldn't a professional guide in bear country have his own pistol? They weren't hunting at that time, they were recovering a carcass that could attract predators of all kinds. It's a very sad deal and I'm praying for all involved.
Complacency.
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Old 09-17-2018, 09:31 AM   #21
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Like many stated, several areas of the story don't add up. Waiting for more investigation.
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WOW!!!!! Just WOW!!!!! And he actually had the nerve to say "make sure you bring a gun with the correct ammo".. Or something along those lines.. Wow..

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Unbelievably sad deal. I know I wasn’t there and by no means will I claim to fully understand the situation but I just can’t fathom why he would throw the gun and not use it.

Edit: In the first clip the interviewer states that he was trying to “load the pistol” which might explain why he threw it to the guide. Idk. If that’s the case, why on earth would it not already be loaded and one in the chamber?
My bet is, because of his statement, he had the wrong ammo.
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Old 09-17-2018, 10:04 AM   #25
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This smells. Sad deal and probably totally avoidable. Waiting on a return e-mail from my BIL about this (fwiw, and he lives up there). Dang. Just dang...

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sad story but this article made me laugh , on getting the bears ....“They fit the description."...
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sad story but this article made me laugh “They fit the description."
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.......has gotten a many men killed!!!
Sad all the way around.

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Old 09-17-2018, 10:48 AM   #29
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I believe the Glock was the guide's gun. I'm thinking maybe the survivor wasn't familiar with it and didn't know how to operate the gun. Maybe the guide didn't carry chambered and the hunter couldn't figure out how to rack it.

Sad story all the way around, but especially when you consider that Uptain leaves behind a wife and five children. Prayers for all affected by this tragedy.
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As someone who has guided a lot of hunters....
Most folks would be surprised how many guys don't know how to operate a firearm.

I have had several instances where I asked a guy to shoot a wounded animal that we had jumped and had them tell me they didn't know how.

I would bet he didn't know how to fire his new handgun that he bought just for this trip and tried to throw it to the guide, figuring he would be able to do it.


As far as running off. Flight or Fight ..... it happens in an instant and you will never know when your nerve will break. We had seval trackers break and run during a Elephant charge, I did not blame them at all.

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Lots of speculation here as usual. Reports suggest that both guide and hunter possessed bear spray. Why didnt the guide have a gun also? Why didnt he use his spray? To many unanswered questions to speculate. Let the investigation play out and hopefully will shed better light on this sad situation. Prayers for the deceased and his family.
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Old 09-17-2018, 11:11 AM   #32
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Lots of speculation here as usual. Reports suggest that both guide and hunter possessed bear spray. Why didnt the guide have a gun also? Why didnt he use his spray? To many unanswered questions to speculate. Let the investigation play out and hopefully will shed better light on this sad situation. Prayers for the deceased and his family.
Lots of questions about why the guide didn't have a rifle or shotgun even. Complacency has been guessed. May be correct. 2013-2017 I hunted the same unit in Montana with Grizz. We saw at LEAST one every year.

If I am a guide no way would I not be carrying a rifle. I always carried a pistol AND bear spray while bowhunting.

I understand the fight or flight. If the bear(s) were charging its every guy for himself. Once contact has been made and you can do something it is different. Seeing your guide getting mauled, chunking him a gun, then running away is cowardice. Pure and simple. I have had this conversation with my hunting buddies up in Montana. We have all discussed helping if the other is attacked. I wouldn't hunt with them if I thought they were lying or too cowardly if the moment came. I believe a gun is more than compensation for a Grizzly bear. We nearly exterminated them from the lower 48 with muzzleloaders and blackpowder single shots.
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I believe the Glock was the guide's gun. I'm thinking maybe the survivor wasn't familiar with it and didn't know how to operate the gun. Maybe the guide didn't carry chambered and the hunter couldn't figure out how to rack it.

Sad story all the way around, but especially when you consider that Uptain leaves behind a wife and five children. Prayers for all affected by this tragedy.
This makes the most sense to me, to be honest I'm not very familiar with hand guns myself and that's not the time to learn. I bet that's where complacency occurred.
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I won't call the survivor a coward like some have. I wasn't there. I will say that I probably would have been killed too. I can't imagine running away knowing another man was still under attack.

Such a sad deal.
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I believe the Glock was the guide's gun. I'm thinking maybe the survivor wasn't familiar with it and didn't know how to operate the gun. Maybe the guide didn't carry chambered and the hunter couldn't figure out how to rack it.

Sad story all the way around, but especially when you consider that Uptain leaves behind a wife and five children. Prayers for all affected by this tragedy.
Michael, where did you read that the pistol was a Glock. I must have missed that.
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How can you not know how to operate a glock?
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Michael, where did you read that the pistol was a Glock. I must have missed that.
It may have been on a FB link that I read. I did a quick search and this seems to be the same article based on some of the wording...

https://buckrail.com/death-of-mark-u...t-we-now-know/

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Did anyone notice how quick he was taken care of and on a plane back to Florida?? Like within a day or something like that? Why would he not stick around to help or see what the outcome was or whatever? The whole ordeal seems real odd to me. Prayers up for the guides family!!
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Lots of unanswered questions. Lots of internet heros too. We don't know what happened or how any of us would have reacted. Maybe the guide tried to draw the bear's attention from his client and told his client to run for help. Or maybe the guide had his throat ripped out and there was nothing the guy could do but try to save himself. Or maybe the client was the biggest pansy to come out of FL. We probably won't ever know the full story. Prayers for the guides family.
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very sad, prayers up for the family
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This report indicates the guide was able to deploy his can of bear spray and the bigger of the 2 bears had traces of bear spray in her fur.

https://buckrail.com/game-fish-we-go...the-encounter/
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It may have been on a FB link that I read. I did a quick search and this seems to be the same article based on some of the wording...

https://buckrail.com/death-of-mark-u...t-we-now-know/
Yes, I have now seen that reference to the Glock. Just a sad deal all the way around, and I'm sure the survivor will have nightmares forever. He has not explained whether he fired the pistol or not. Lots of contradictions/lack of clarity in the news articles. My heart goes out to all involved. I might have to start carrying my 10mm semi or my .44 magnum when I fly fish up there now, but dang, they are heavy!
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Yes, I have now seen that reference to the Glock. Just a sad deal all the way around, and I'm sure the survivor will have nightmares forever. He has not explained whether he fired the pistol or not. Lots of contradictions/lack of clarity in the news articles. My heart goes out to all involved. I might have to start carrying my 10mm semi or my .44 magnum when I fly fish up there now, but dang, they are heavy!
I carry the smaller Glock 29 with magazine extensions everywhere in the mountains. I like a 44 but I've seen me shoot at charging hogs...I like my odds a whole lot more in bear country with thirty one 10 mm rounds (extra clip in holster) than six 44.
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I carry the smaller Glock 29 with magazine extensions everywhere in the mountains. I like a 44 but I've seen me shoot at charging hogs...I like my odds a whole lot more in bear country with thirty one 10 mm rounds (extra clip in holster) than six 44.

I'm not sure I could change magazines with a charging grizzly bearing down on me, but if the 14 rounds won't stop him/her, then I'll use the last one for me.

The .44 mag is probably too heavy to lug out o the river!
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I'm not sure I could change magazines with a charging grizzly bearing down on me, but if the 14 rounds won't stop him/her, then I'll use the last one for me.

The .44 mag is probably too heavy to lug out o the river!
Not sure I could change magazines either but I like the concept
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doesn't sound round to me,,, the bear attacks, nocks the gun out of his hand,, and while the bear has him he somehow retrieves the gun, but does not use it, he limp wrists the throw to the guide gets on his horse that is still standing there with TWO bears on full on attack and rides away?

how does he have enough thought process to retrieve the gun, but not enough manhood to use it,,, but thinks " the guide needs my gun more than I do" so I will throw it to him and run away,, ..

I know nothing about horses and don't pretend to,, but I do not see them standing around with bears in a ticked off mood! the article reads like both horses were pulling the elk,,, if so he had enough time and thought to either cut the rope with a knife he had to get from somewhere or untie the rope, all the while the horse stood still ?

I have issues with his "story",,,, or at least the written version of it.... and what happened to the gun because it was not found

I'm not a horse person but it seems I'm around them weekly with Riley . Unless they were riding circus trained horses the above couldn't have happened . No way that scenario played out.
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Yep, a big ole poozy . Let me throw my gun and run. Was probably asking about a refund on his hunt, as he was running away.
Nail on the head right here.
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Originally Posted by RascalArms View Post
Unbelievably sad deal. I know I wasn’t there and by no means will I claim to fully understand the situation but I just can’t fathom why he would throw the gun and not use it.

Edit: In the first clip the interviewer states that he was trying to “load the pistol” which might explain why he threw it to the guide. Idk. If that’s the case, why on earth would it not already be loaded and one in the chamber?
The reporter also stated they "caught an elk", and then "loading the pistol". I dunno could be that killing the elk and readying or removing the pistol from holster got lost there. Can't understand why you'd have a pistol for this very reason and not have it ready and loaded, especially with quarry in tow. Awful all the way around.
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