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Old 09-11-2018, 04:29 PM   #1
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Default New Flemish String Jig

Built me a new Flemish Jig.
It's kind of just utility, but I did put on one coat of clear coat to preserve the lines & markings.
Works darn good.

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Old 09-11-2018, 04:41 PM   #2
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Wow that is cool brother

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Very nice
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"kind of just utility". You're so funny, mines a board w/ a bunch of nails in it! Lol

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That is very cool! Highly exacting woodworking going on there!

Begging a couple of questions:
You fixing to re-start making strings?
OR, maybe, sell these jigs?
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That is very cool! Highly exacting woodworking going on there!

Begging a couple of questions:
You fixing to re-start making strings?
OR, maybe, sell these jigs?
I'm still back to just building strings for myself. For now anyway.
If I ever do start building for the public again it will be on a very limited basis. The arthritis in my hands just won't let me keep up with the orders if I go full bore.

This jig took quite a while to build.
I doubt anyone would want to pay for what I would have to sell them for.
That said: I might crunch some numbers to see what price I can build, and sell them for.

One things for sure, it is very precise. I just set it up to build a 59.5" string (before stretching & conditioning), and it came out spot on.

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"kind of just utility". You're so funny, mines a board w/ a bunch of nails in it! Lol

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LOL

Better than utility to me would be if I had pressure stamped all the numbers (evenly & neatly), painted them & the lines with black, then surface sanded & stained before applying a clear coat, and maybe used nice brass nails for all the pins instead of those #6 finish nails.

I may build a fancy one someday soon, just to show the difference between it & the utility version.

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Like I told you a long time ago. Maybe on Stickbow, you are a perfectionist. I envy that in a man, takes patience, something I can barely spell.

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Like I told you a long time ago. Maybe on Stickbow, you are a perfectionist. I envy that in a man, takes patience, something I can barely spell.

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Thank you Kind Sir.

While I did vary to overall design some, the following PDF is the base design I went by.

http://www.taylortel.net/~rickbarb/m..._Jig_Large.pdf

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Question: Why is the dovetail piece so long? If you cut it off at a couple inches long, it would not stick out from the main part of the jig.

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That looks great Rick. Too bad it's not metal.
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Question: Why is the dovetail piece so long? If you cut it off at a couple inches long, it would not stick out from the main part of the jig.

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No reason.

I didn't draw up any plans for it.
Was just thinking, and building as I went, and that's where I wound up.

I thought about cutting it off (still may), but you never know when you need a little extra, plus it makes it look nice & neat when it's closed up.

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That looks great Rick. Too bad it's not metal.
Thanks Bob.

I don't have a metal lathe, or milling machine, or might have been.

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Ok Bisch.

I cut off all that extra just to make you happy.

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Rick if you decide to sale them let me know. I have been in the market for a nice jig and this is awesome. Shipping would be to my indiana zip code of 46158.
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Rick if you decide to sale them let me know. I have been in the market for a nice jig and this is awesome. Shipping would be to my indiana zip code of 46158.
I'm thinking serious about building them for sale.
Have been researching different materials, and looking at ways to keep cost down. We'll see.

I built me a new string on this one, and hit the length almost spot on for brace height. I say almost, because I had to let out three twists to be at my exact brace height.

It's an experimental string, that is showing some real promise:

First of all, it has lost no brace height after about 100 shots, and setting braced all night.

Second of all, it is faster than the old string by quite a bit. I haven't chronographed it, but it is shooting about 8 inches high at 30 yards, which used to be my point on, and I know it's the speed, and not the tune getting me there.

Thirdly, it's the quietest (by far), than any FF string I have ever had on my bow.

I was shooting it yesterday evening as my daughter got home from school.

She asked: "Dad, is that a different bow?"

I said: "Nope."

She said: That thing is whisper quiet. Way quieter than before.
(That's saying a lot, since it was already pretty quiet)


Then asked, what did you do?

I said: Different string.

She said: "You better leave it alone now !"

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Rick I recently realized what y'all told me a while back. Nock fir and string make a tremendous difference in arrow flight and noise. After trying four different strings on one bow it became apparent. A loose nock fir may be inconvenient but makes a positive difference.

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Old 09-13-2018, 11:15 AM   #18
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Rick I recently realized what y'all told me a while back. Nock fir and string make a tremendous difference in arrow flight and noise. After trying four different strings on one bow it became apparent. A loose nock fir may be inconvenient but makes a positive difference.

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Yep.

I like my nocks just snug enough, that a two finger light tap will pop the arrow off the string when hanging straight down.

Nock fit is part of tuning, and a very important part at that.
To loose isn't ideal, but to tight screws up everything.

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Is it wrong to think that nocks could be loosened or tightened with a simple heat gun and a flathead screwdriver (to wedge open a bit after heating) or a pair of pliers to tighten a little?

I mean, it would be a fair amount of trouble to re-serve a string so as to put on or take away wraps of Teflon tape to adjust spacing that way. Plus, different nocks may just have slightly tighter or looser throat-fits.
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Is it wrong to think that nocks could be loosened or tightened with a simple heat gun and a flathead screwdriver (to wedge open a bit after heating) or a pair of pliers to tighten a little?

I mean, it would be a fair amount of trouble to re-serve a string so as to put on or take away wraps of Teflon tape to adjust spacing that way. Plus, different nocks may just have slightly tighter or looser throat-fits.
Lots of folks do it that way Ellis, but WHATEVER you do if altering the nock for fit, make Darn Sure you are not weakening the structural integrity of the nock itself.

If you are going to do it by altering the nock - the best way, and the way to alleviate any damage to the nocks is to use boiling water.

(1) Dip the nock into the boiling water for just a few seconds, until it softens (how long depends on the density of the nock, but usually no more than 10 seconds).

(2)Pull it out, and pinch the calipers/jaws/lips (whatever you want to cal them) together some evenly.

I actually use a small drill bit, and pinch the nock onto the smooth end of it to make sure I am keeping everything straight.

(3) Reinsert into the boiling water for a few seconds, pull it out, and clip it onto the string Above Or Below where it actually goes on the string for the shot, and let it cool there. After it cools it should be a pretty close to a perfect fit at the spot where you normally clip it on.

Here again, I use a drill bit. I select a bit size that is the size I need the nock to be (size of my string), and clip it onto the bit to let it do it's final cooling

(4) Repeat until you get the fit you desire.

The Absolute Best way to fit nocks to the string is to serve the string to accept the size nocks you are using, but not everyone has the stuff to do that, so using the boiling water is the second best.

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Thanks, Rick. I knew you would have a proper work-around!


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Wow, thats awesome. Wish I had that kind of talent.
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Beautiful string jig. What string material are you using for your super quiet string?
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Wow, thats awesome. Wish I had that kind of talent.
Thanks. It's really not that hard with some good tools to work with.

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Beautiful string jig. What string material are you using for your super quiet string?
Thanks.

I used Brownell's Rhino & ... .

Yes, I mixed materials, but I'm not quite ready to divulge that information.
Like I said - experimental.
I wouldn't want to screw anyone up, but so far so good.
The bow still has not lost any brace height since I first set it before starting to shoot, and I have shot it a lot, and left it strung up this whole time.

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That is really snazzy.
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Thanks. It's really not that hard with some good tools to work with.



Thanks.

I used Brownell's Rhino & ... .

Yes, I mixed materials, but I'm not quite ready to divulge that information.
Like I said - experimental.
I wouldn't want to screw anyone up, but so far so good.
The bow still has not lost any brace height since I first set it before starting to shoot, and I have shot it a lot, and left it strung up this whole time.

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See the second PM on your site.
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I refined my string jig, and made it into a breakdown for ease in storage, and shipping.

They are made entirely from hardwood (Red Oak Select).

These are my first two, and there was some learning curve, but they still look very nice, and the fit, and lines measures are perfect.

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That looks amazing, Rick.

As noted above, see PM on your site.
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You're the man Rick.

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Heads Up.

https://discussions.texasbowhunter.c...7#post13629347

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I finally got my string jig nailed down real good.
The only thing I'll do different from now on is I will use image transfer paper for wood for the numbers, and image.

Built a template for the string jig, and some tool jigs for setting the tools up for duplicating the parts.

I built this entire jig without ever picking up a tape measure. Well, until I was done that is, and only then as a sanity check. It's all spot on.
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Rick you are a stickler for attention to detail. Looks great.

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Rick you are a stickler for attention to detail. Looks great.

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Thank Ya Sir.

If I am going to put my name on it, I want it to be right.

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Very nice work Rick!

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Thank Ya Sir.

If I am going to put my name on it, I want it to be right.

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That is a quality to be admired.

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Very nice work Rick!

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Thanks Bisch !

They sure make it easy to nail down a good string.

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Rick is it comes with a good instructional video sign me up I want one

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No video really necessary, but I do intend to make one sometime soon.
If for no reason other than to show how easy it is.

They break down into a 20" length, and all the small parts fit into a couple of ziplock sandwich bags.

Takes about 2 minutes to put it them together.

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They sure make it easy to nail down a good string.



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I should get a commission check for giving you the idea to greatly improve your product, making it much more user friendly!

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No i mean a string making video on your jig

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That is something I plan to do also.

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I got a dollar.

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That's a lot nicer than mine. I cut mine and hinged it so it fits in the bottom of an old tool box with my spools (old pic they have been replenished since then haha) because I used to carry it with my to local shoots back in PA in case any friends needed a string. The upper tray has scissors, string silencers, etc.

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I would love to come hang out around your shop/range for about...…..6 months.
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If you want to buy this new jig ($170 to your door), tell ya what I'll do.
I'll build you one of my signature strings (on this jig) for the bow of your choice, and send it with measurement instructions on how to duplicate it along with the jig. All at no extra charge.

That's the deal of a lifetime.

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