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    #46
    The National Firearms Act, 26 U.S.C. 5845(b), defines a machine gun to include anyweapon which shoots, is designed to shoot, or can be readily restored to shoot, automatically more than one shot, without manual reloading, by a single function of the trigger.



    I just don't see how a bump stock fits into that category. It requires more than a single function of the trigger. Hopefully the courts see it the same way...

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      #47
      Originally posted by TacticalCowboy View Post
      The left always talks about “compromise” which actually just means “we’re slowly going to take your stuff, piece by piece.”

      Compromise would have been removing suppressors from the NFA and outlawing the bump stocks. Instead, the NRA and POTUS just flopped on us.
      Here is the thing. The left had nothing to do with this. There is no reason at all to compromise on this issue in the present, future or past. The sad fact is that the people whom claim to represent us on this matter do not actually believe what they claim.

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        #48
        Originally posted by jerp View Post
        I looked it up - BATF estimates over 500,000 bump stocks were sold. A big percentage of that number came out of SlideFire near Moran before they quit making them in May. I drive by their facility on the way to the lease. Not many vehicles in front but their flags are still flying and the place is not abandoned - hopefully they are working on coming up with some new products.
        500,000 stocks and they weren't required to fill anything out to get them? So how do they suppose they're going to get them all back? That was smart thinking wasn't it? I'll throw out a rough estimate of how many I think will be turned in.....1 or 2 if they're lucky. I know guys that have them and I can promise you they're not giving them to nobody and they'll keep using them too. That's just how they are and that's the way it'll be. Ain't nobody calling the law around here.

        They'll straight tell you to **** up a rope if you tell them they have to go turn them in. Personally I think bump stocks are pieces of junk but I don't care if other people keep them and shoot them after they're outlawed. I feel that way because you know what's more dangerous than a bump fire stock? Not minding your own frickin business.
        Last edited by okrattler; 12-19-2018, 01:13 AM.

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          #49
          I'd assume this will be be brought up in court before all is said and done. They can't change law.

          The law states machine gun "means any weapon which shoots, is designed to shoot, or can be readily restored to shoot, automatically more than one shot, without manual reloading, by a single function of the trigger."

          Firing a bump stick is multiple functions of a trigger. Period. There is no way to argue that it is a single function of the trigger.

          Now if congress wants to act and create a law, that's another question. But the ATF, DOJ, or the Administration cannot legally outlaw bump stocks, using their current reasoning. The Constitution doesn't grant them that power.
          Last edited by JustinJ; 12-19-2018, 01:44 AM.

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            #50
            Originally posted by JustinJ View Post
            I'd assume this will be be brought up in court before all is said and done. They can't change law.

            The law states machine gun "means any weapon which shoots, is designed to shoot, or can be readily restored to shoot, automatically more than one shot, without manual reloading, by a single function of the trigger."

            Firing a bump stick is multiple functions of a trigger. Period. There is no way to argue that it is a single function of the trigger.

            Now if congress wants to act and create a law, that's another question. But the ATF, DOJ, or the Administration cannot legally outlaw bump stocks, using their current reasoning. The Constitution doesn't grant them that power.
            Your comment is referring to the weapon.....a bump stock in not a weapon it's a device or accessory. They are no trying to outlaw the weapon, they are outlawing an accessory
            Last edited by flywise; 12-19-2018, 03:17 AM.

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              #51
              Originally posted by okrattler View Post
              500,000 stocks and they weren't required to fill anything out to get them? So how do they suppose they're going to get them all back? That was smart thinking wasn't it? I'll throw out a rough estimate of how many I think will be turned in.....1 or 2 if they're lucky. I know guys that have them and I can promise you they're not giving them to nobody and they'll keep using them too. That's just how they are and that's the way it'll be. Ain't nobody calling the law around here.

              They'll straight tell you to **** up a rope if you tell them they have to go turn them in. Personally I think bump stocks are pieces of junk but I don't care if other people keep them and shoot them after they're outlawed. I feel that way because you know what's more dangerous than a bump fire stock? Not minding your own frickin business.
              No one is going to come knocking on the door trying to pick them up. But if the fellas that own them ever get caught with one then there will be charges

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                #52
                In order to take what I have they have to come in my house. To come into my house they have to have a warrant. To get a warrant they have to know what I have. THEY DONT KNOW $&!t. PS- Bump stocks are a waste of money.

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                  #53
                  If you get caught with one or get turned in, is that a felony? How does gun ownership work once you are a felon?

                  I really do not know how this would work but it sure seems like a lot of risk for me. I do not own one but hate to see it go this way.

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                    #54
                    Originally posted by Texas Tracker View Post
                    In order to take what I have they have to come in my house. To come into my house they have to have a warrant. To get a warrant they have to know what I have. THEY DONT KNOW $&!t. PS- Bump stocks are a waste of money.
                    Solid point, but what is the point if having it if you aren't going to take it anywhere and use it?

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                      #55
                      serious stuff

                      Originally posted by Radar View Post
                      If you get caught with one or get turned in, is that a felony? How does gun ownership work once you are a felon?

                      I really do not know how this would work but it sure seems like a lot of risk for me. I do not own one but hate to see it go this way.
                      The way I understand it You (felon) you can't own Guns ..Unless its Black powder pre 1899 original or replica...

                      But Bowhunter OK

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                        #56
                        Originally posted by Radar View Post
                        If you get caught with one or get turned in, is that a felony? How does gun ownership work once you are a felon?

                        I really do not know how this would work but it sure seems like a lot of risk for me. I do not own one but hate to see it go this way.

                        Yes it will be a felony. Same as if you get caught with an unregistered suppressor or machine gun.

                        With the advent of the solvent trap suppressor I guarantee there are a bunch of unregistered suppressors out there and you don't really hear of people getting caught with them.

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                          #57
                          I think this is just the beginning. Since the demoncraps have the house this coming session they will be trying to pass a lot of laws against the 2nd amendment or try to abolish it.

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                            #58
                            Originally posted by adam_p View Post
                            Solid point, but what is the point if having it if you aren't going to take it anywhere and use it?
                            "Bump stocks are a waste of money".
                            My statement was for something that I may or may not have that the government might deem is against the law to own. Not just a bump stock or guns but anything.:

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                              #59
                              As I stated, I don't own one, never wanted one, never even hooked my thumb in my belt loop to simulate full auto, BUT.....this is a precedent that DID NOT need to be set. The next Dem prez can do the same thing with 30 round mags and get away with it. You can't throw bones to libs, it just doesn't work. Their idea of compromise is to roll over conservatives and have it their way. If the Dems who own and shoot guns would vote against gun hating politicians we wouldn't be talking about this. Instead, they follow the stupid socialistic beliefs of politicians who do not even believe in the 2nd amendment.

                              I'm a lifer in the NRA, a Benefactor member in fact. But I haven't donated to them in a couple years now. I'm seriously thinking of contacting them and rescinding my membership. Not just over this, but it may be the straw that breaks this camels back.

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                                #60
                                To me they are not worth a plug nickel but it's a bad precedent to allow to be set. I would hope it gets challenged strongly in the courts. Unfortunately we are on the losing end of the stick numbers wise so it will cost us more in time and money to fight those who will not stop in the process of taking our guns. It make take them another 2 or 3 decades but if we don't send a message to the NRA that their stance on this is unacceptable then the biggest pro gun organization in the country will continue to grow in being a liability and be culpable in the downfall of what they promised to defend. What they have taken millions of our dollars for the defense of.

                                Gary

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