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Old 08-19-2018, 08:22 PM   #1
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Pipes gates at the barn. One of them hasn't been used in a few years and hinge is completely rusted tight. Won't budge. Need suggestions on the chemical that will help me loosen it up. WD40 es no Bueno.
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Old 08-19-2018, 08:23 PM   #2
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Penetrating oil and a torch.

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Old 08-19-2018, 08:25 PM   #3
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Old 08-19-2018, 08:26 PM   #4
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Old 08-19-2018, 08:27 PM   #5
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Acetone mixed with transmission fluid will also work
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Old 08-19-2018, 08:34 PM   #7
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Even just plain old brake fluid poured generously around it might work.
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Old 08-19-2018, 08:35 PM   #8
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Kroil---gunsmiths use it to free frozen parts--
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Old 08-19-2018, 08:35 PM   #10
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Old 08-19-2018, 08:36 PM   #11
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Kroil---gunsmiths use it to free frozen parts--
Yeah that’s definitely what I prefer as well. Gotta order more.
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Old 08-19-2018, 08:36 PM   #12
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Old 08-19-2018, 08:39 PM   #13
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Old 08-19-2018, 08:42 PM   #14
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Then it wouldn’t be a bad idea to drill and tap that sleeve insert grease fitting and grease away
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Old 08-19-2018, 08:50 PM   #15
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Even just plain old brake fluid poured generously around it might work.
yes. and its cheap too!
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Old 08-19-2018, 08:54 PM   #16
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PB Blaster or a torch.
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Old 08-19-2018, 08:59 PM   #17
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Old 08-19-2018, 09:02 PM   #18
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I've seen my dad loosen rusted bolts with coke a cola, put some on let it set and they have turned right out. If you don't have the other stuff mentioned above , but have some soda, you might give it a try.
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Old 08-19-2018, 09:04 PM   #19
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Acetone mixed with transmission fluid will also work
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Old 08-19-2018, 09:07 PM   #20
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I've had good luck with running water. Let the water run on it while trying to work it free
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Old 08-19-2018, 09:20 PM   #21
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Then it wouldn’t be a bad idea to drill and tap that sleeve insert grease fitting and grease away
I'm intrigued. The squeaking of all my gates has always driven me nuts. Tell me more about how to do this.
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Old 08-19-2018, 09:23 PM   #22
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Old 08-19-2018, 09:24 PM   #23
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Kroil---gunsmiths use it to free frozen parts--
X2 it absolutely wonderful. Just apply to the top of the hinge for a few days ,then open and close it and done....oil up after it breaks loose. Or.....heat it with a torch and give it a few whops with a small sledge.
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Old 08-19-2018, 09:27 PM   #24
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Old 08-19-2018, 09:28 PM   #25
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I'm intrigued. The squeaking of all my gates has always driven me nuts. Tell me more about how to do this.
Pretty easy really, first you would find the correct drill bit size for the threads on grease fitting being used, drill through that outer sleeve just to inner gate post then match the threads on grease fitting to a tap to use and tap that sucker (use plenty of cutting oil or you could snap the tap) then you would insert grease fitting and NO MORE SQUEAKY GATES!!! we have done all our pens this way works great good luck!
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Old 08-19-2018, 09:31 PM   #26
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Take your time, and you can drill the outer sleeve, then I would weld on a nut for the depth(already tapped to accept the zerk) and then you're ready to grease your gate hinges.

https://www.saeproducts.com/taper-th...-fittings.html

These will work with a ¼ x28 nut. Just weld that over the hole you drill, and add grease at your leisure. It won't be a perfect fit, but good enough to add some grease for keeping a gate from squeaking.



Just a few seconds with a torch should loosen those hinges. A little tapping with a hammer will expedite things.

Several of the penetrants listed above are also very effective (I'm fond of PB Blaster)
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Old 08-19-2018, 09:36 PM   #27
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Take your time, and you can drill the outer sleeve, then I would weld on a nut for the depth(already tapped to accept the zerk) and then you're ready to grease your gate hinges.

https://www.saeproducts.com/taper-th...-fittings.html

These will work with a ¼ x28 nut. Just weld that over the hole you drill, and add grease at your leisure. It won't be a perfect fit, but good enough to add some grease for keeping a gate from squeaking.



Just a few seconds with a torch should loosen those hinges. A little tapping with a hammer will expedite things.

Several of the penetrants listed above are also very effective (I'm fond of PB Blaster)


All of this is good info!


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Old 08-19-2018, 09:58 PM   #28
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I've had good luck with running water. Let the water run on it while trying to work it free
Looking at the thread title I was going to suggest parking it in water but when I found out it was a hinge then that’s out of the question.


Whatever you do you’re gonna need heat. Then some sort of heavy oil that will penetrate and stay lubed. Grease zerk is a wise recommendation
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Old 08-19-2018, 10:06 PM   #29
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I’d put penetrating oil and let it soak. Then I’d put a hydraulic jack under the vertical pipe with the hinge and slowly try and break the rust. Last resort would be a torch - I’m always hesitant to put very much heat in fear of warping something. But then again, the jack could bend something too.
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It's a lot easier to drill and tap for the zerk fitting before the gate is installed. But you can still do it. I'd use a bottoming tap. You won't get much thread engagement with a tapered tap.
I suppose it wouldn't hurt anything drilling and tapping through both pipes. Just as long as the zerk fitting threads don't go past the first pipe.
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It's a lot easier to drill and tap for the zerk fitting before the gate is installed. But you can still do it. I'd use a bottoming tap. You won't get much thread engagement with a tapered tap.
I suppose it wouldn't hurt anything drilling and tapping through both pipes. Just as long as the zerk fitting threads don't go past the first pipe.


If you drilled thru both pipes you would need to make sure the gate was not in the same position when you grease them as when you drilled holes. For example drill holes thru both while gate is open and grease when gate is in closed position. This will stop grease from just going into the center of the gate


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Old 08-19-2018, 11:26 PM   #32
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This ^^^
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Old 08-20-2018, 12:19 AM   #33
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Old 08-20-2018, 01:27 AM   #34
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Find some Break Free. That stuff works. I have found plies that were buried in the ground since long before I lived where I found them. Sprayed them with Break Free and got them freed up quickly. Had some old line men pliers, that I found years ago, sprayed them with WD-40 a few times never did any good. When the Break Free worked on other stuff, I went and got those plies out, that had been in the garage for years, since I found them. Sprayed them, then tried to open them two minutes later, it was like they were never rusted, even though they were covered in rust. That stuff works.
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PB Blaster works great. Can get at wal mart
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As far as a grease zerk, couldn’t you just use the drive type zerks to avoid having to thread anything??
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Old 08-20-2018, 08:31 AM   #37
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Acetone mixed with transmission fluid will also work
50/50 mixture works well!
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Old 08-20-2018, 08:41 AM   #38
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Must say, pretty ashamed of these citified folk telling you to add all this perfume crap to a simple country issue.
bet they put lime in their beer too...

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Old Refinery trick there, the fitters and boilermakers used this one on a many of exchanger heads and flanges.
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PB Blaster, spray and let soak for a few hours, spray again and let soak for a few hours and your gate will open no problem. And yes you need to add a grease fitting to all hinges.
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Old 08-20-2018, 10:13 AM   #41
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Old 08-20-2018, 10:16 AM   #42
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can pb blaster be used to free a choke tube stuck in a shotgun?
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Old 08-20-2018, 10:17 AM   #43
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this is all I could find that really works
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Old 08-20-2018, 10:25 AM   #44
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Oreilly's sells a product called Free All. Best spray penetrant you can buy. I've tested it against Kroil, PB Blaster, and a number of other penetrants in industrial settings. Steam turbines, stuck valves, etc. No other product come close.
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I found this and copied/pasted: Machinist Workshop magazine studied the most popular penetrating oils to see what did the best job of removing rusted bolts by measuring the pounds of torque required to loosen the bolt. I have no idea how they standardized the same rustiness in each nut/bolt they tested, but it offers some degree of a ranking, whether accurate or not.

These were the results they published:

Penetrating oil: Average load:
None...................................516 lbs.
WD-40.................................238 lbs.
PB Blaster.............................214 lbs.
Liquid Wrench........................127 lbs.
Kano Kroil..............................106 lbs.
ATF-Acetone mix......................53 lbs.

“The Auto Trans fluid- acetone mix was a "home-brew" mix of 50-50 ATF-acetone.

The home brew tested better than the commercial products in this test. Note that Liquid Wrench is about as good as "Kroil" for about 20% of the price.”
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We use break free a lot at work, the stuff just flat out works.


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Call a buddy over and get him to go in the pen. Then turn your meanest bull loose, that gate will start working real quick.
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Heat it with a torch and then some water. The quick expansion and contraction of the metal will break it free in no time.
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I have always had good results with brake fluid on really rusted items, pliers, side cutters, etc. Brake fluid penetrates small areas quickly, followed up with some sort of penetrating oil after they loosen up. Kroil products work really well as previously mentioned.
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