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Old 09-01-2019, 04:38 PM   #1
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Which of the two evils soothes you better?
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Old 09-01-2019, 04:44 PM   #2
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Would rather stay the way we are. If they get an income tax, I don't see them saying they dont want the property tax. Could be wrong, just have never seen a politician give anything back.
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Income tax so you could actually own your property.but I don't think Texas will ever have one especially after this next election which don't hold me to this but I think it is proposition 4.

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Old 09-01-2019, 05:31 PM   #4
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Do it all with the sales tax.

Spread the pain....er....love around to everybody.
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Old 09-01-2019, 05:42 PM   #5
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Income tax so you could actually own your property.but I don't think Texas will ever have one especially after this next election which don't hold me to this but I think it is proposition 4.

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Never thought I'd agree with this but a few years ago I had a change of heart.
It should be criminal for state agencies to tax you 12k a year to own something that has been in the family and paid off for 50 years.
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Do it all with the sales tax.

Spread the pain....er....love around to everybody.
I was staying within the framing of the question but I do like the sales tax for the reasons you speak of and it gets the black market money to some degree.

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Never thought I'd agree with this but a few years ago I had a change of heart.
It should be criminal for state agencies to tax you 12k a year to own something that has been in the family and paid off for 50 years.
This^^^^^ as long as they do away with the property tax.
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Old 09-01-2019, 08:15 PM   #8
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Old 09-01-2019, 08:27 PM   #9
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Do it all with the sales tax.

Spread the pain....er....love around to everybody.
This I think would work......
Wife and I are empty nesters as of last year, selling our home of twenty years
Property tax and insurance has become unbearable, besides trying to keep up maintaining 3000 plus square feet
My taxes have gone from $2100 s year in 1999 to 10 k
Insurance in 1999 was $1282, now over $6k
Ridiculous
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Old 09-01-2019, 08:45 PM   #10
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Should be a sales tax and nothing else. Problem is, like mentioned before, politicians will never give up sources of income they can use to manipulate voters and maintain power.


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Old 09-01-2019, 09:15 PM   #12
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I would probably be for about anything instead of property tax.
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Old 09-01-2019, 10:59 PM   #13
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Income
With a little bit of sales and property mix
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Old 09-02-2019, 08:06 AM   #14
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none and none; make them do with what they get just like everyone else.
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Old 09-02-2019, 09:11 AM   #15
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Only liberals should pay more taxes. After all they the ones that caused this mess.
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Old 09-02-2019, 09:39 AM   #16
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Living in Oklahoma I don't have a dog's fight in this subject. We have income tax along with property tax but the kicker for us is that both taxes combined for us is cheaper than property tax alone in Texas. It all comes down to how they proportion it out and being government they are going to screw you anyway they can. At least here in Oklahoma we don't get screwed tax wise as much as landowners in Texas do yet.
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Old 09-02-2019, 09:53 AM   #17
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Living in Oklahoma I don't have a dog's fight in this subject. We have income tax along with property tax but the kicker for us is that both taxes combined for us is cheaper than property tax alone in Texas. It all comes down to how they proportion it out and being government they are going to screw you anyway they can. At least here in Oklahoma we don't get screwed tax wise as much as landowners in Texas do yet.
In Texas we like to pretend our taxes are much lower. Itís a national image also because you will hear it said around the country. However, the sum total of taxes is not low. School systems are incurring costs of increased population from illegal immigration and thus need more money to operate (something that nobody likes to discuss). If you own land without Agriculture exemptions then you know all to well how much school taxes are in TX.
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This I think would work......
Wife and I are empty nesters as of last year, selling our home of twenty years
Property tax and insurance has become unbearable, besides trying to keep up maintaining 3000 plus square feet
My taxes have gone from $2100 s year in 1999 to 10 k
Insurance in 1999 was $1282, now over $6k
Ridiculous
This is the sad reality! We donít own anything in the US. You may not have a note but if you canít make payments to the government they confiscate your property. The amount of increased taxes has become too high for many to afford.
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Old 09-02-2019, 10:04 AM   #19
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I'd rather be taxed as my money leaves my house, not before I see it. I feel like I'm more in control of whether it is spent or not.
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This^^^^^ as long as they do away with the property tax.
LOL Guys posting in this thread are funny.

He who has the money will be taxed the most. Period.

They will never get rid of property tax.. Ever.

They may add an income tax. But they will for sure stick with whatever gets them the most money from "rich" people.

They will never introduce a tax that taxes everyone equally.


Is this really a discussion?
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Old 09-02-2019, 04:36 PM   #21
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Due to the property taxes in Texas, when we retire we will sell whatever home we're in & hit the road. I refuse to waste my retirement funds on making the state rich.
Not sure if we'll go the 5th wheel & truck route or motor home.
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Old 09-02-2019, 07:43 PM   #22
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Old 09-02-2019, 07:45 PM   #23
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Due to the property taxes in Texas, when we retire we will sell whatever home we're in & hit the road. I refuse to waste my retirement funds on making the state rich.
Not sure if we'll go the 5th wheel & truck route or motor home.
Interesting. Where will you park when your not traveling?
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Old 09-02-2019, 08:58 PM   #24
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Iíd rather property tax.

In LA I pay both and will pay around 22k in income and 3k for property.






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Interesting. Where will you park when your not traveling?
Will always be traveling! We had a 5th wheel for a few years & spent a ton of time on the road. We really enjoyed it. Stay at a park for a couple months then move to the next for a couple months & just repeat that until our health won't allow it. That's the plan anyways. I'm eligible for retirement in 5yrs 2mo but I'll only be 48 years old. I'm going to try to work until I'm at least 53.
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Will always be traveling! We had a 5th wheel for a few years & spent a ton of time on the road. We really enjoyed it. Stay at a park for a couple months then move to the next for a couple months & just repeat that until our health won't allow it. That's the plan anyways. I'm eligible for retirement in 5yrs 2mo but I'll only be 48 years old. I'm going to try to work until I'm at least 53.
I like it
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I'd rather be taxed as my money leaves my house, not before I see it. I feel like I'm more in control of whether it is spent or not.
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I have always liked the idea of sales tax only.
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Old 09-03-2019, 04:39 PM   #29
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This I think would work......
Wife and I are empty nesters as of last year, selling our home of twenty years
Property tax and insurance has become unbearable, besides trying to keep up maintaining 3000 plus square feet
My taxes have gone from $2100 s year in 1999 to 10 k
Insurance in 1999 was $1282, now over $6k
Ridiculous
What in the world caused your home insurance to be $6,000 a year?
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Old 09-03-2019, 06:18 PM   #31
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I get the best of all 3 worlds, 6.84% state income tax, 2.25% property tax, and 7% local sales tax
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What in the world caused your home insurance to be $6,000 a year?
I live in First Tier County
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My house in a straight line is only 16 miles from East Matagorda Bay
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Sales tax! Don't want to pay any taxes....don't buy anything. Want to buy something...pay taxes. Would be pretty simple.
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I get the best of all 3 worlds, 6.84% state income tax, 2.25% property tax, and 7% local sales tax
welcome to nebraska the tax me state
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welcome to nebraska the tax me state


No kidding. *** is up with the restaurant tax?! What part of the state are you in? Weíre West Omaha
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south omaha,restaurant was temp. @ 10 years ago, on any prepaired food, wait till u plate ur cars and trucks :wheel tax starts at $ 50 per unit on cars, trucks its $75 and up based on weight of truck . wheel tax was also temp. started in 1962. cant move to texas or south dakota fast enough once again welcome to nebraska!!!!!
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This^^^^^ as long as they do away with the property tax.
There isn't a state that doesn't have property tax..our best bet would be to do away will tolls in place of income tax.
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LOL Guys posting in this thread are funny.

He who has the money will be taxed the most. Period.

They will never get rid of property tax.. Ever.

They may add an income tax. But they will for sure stick with whatever gets them the most money from "rich" people.

They will never introduce a tax that taxes everyone equally.


Is this really a discussion?
I m as far from rich as they get. I dont think anyone is under the impression that all gov entities will stop raping the tax payer. It just ain't right that a piece of property can be taxed out of a family
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I m as far from rich as they get. I dont think anyone is under the impression that all gov entities will stop raping the tax payer. It just ain't right that a piece of property can be taxed out of a family


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There isn't a state that doesn't have property tax..our best bet would be to do away will tolls in place of income tax.
That would help me $0. Tolls are as big of a scam as property taxes but I can avoid tolls. I go out of my way to avoid them. I'll spend 20 minutes on an access road, & 35 traffic lights, to avoid the scam of paying a toll.
Thank God I very rarely venture to where toll roads are.

Unfortunately, I have to go thru Dallas tomorrow, into The Colony, to help a friend. The quicker route is Dallas North Tollway. I'll be taking I-35 instead. I do all I can to stay south of I-20.
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I have examined my situation with the high property taxes. If I move to a low property tax state they hit you with the income tax. In my bracket there is less than a 1K difference between states. When I can I will choose a location with well paying jobs and low humidity.
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I m as far from rich as they get. I dont think anyone is under the impression that all gov entities will stop raping the tax payer. It just ain't right that a piece of property can be taxed out of a family
If you have a decent job then you're considered rich...Heck if you hold a job and/or property you're rich in their eyes.

I know no one thinks they will stop raping us. But even thinking for one second the burden will be shifted fairly is dumb.

Laws and peoples mentality only go one way...and that's to helping the "poor"..

And I agree it is 100% wrong how the system is set up. But again it's to get money where they can get the most money... It will never change in our favor.

The only thing that has any chance to come out of this discussion is providing them with the chance to ADD a new tax under the lie of lowering another, which any sane person knows wouldn't happen.
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Which of the two evils soothes you better?
Both of them are a thorn in the side, but Iíd go with state income. I think this is a situation that depends on individual circumstance, but I despise being taxed on something that I own.

We have a high state income tax, but our property tax is very low. Itís almost negligible (depending on where you are, of course).

I was working in TX right before we got married, and we considered living there for a while. While we would make more & take home more $ in Tx &, the COL is so much cheaper up here that it was a wash.

Either way, our tax situation is ridiculous in this country.
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Property tax is the only tax where you have due process for appeal.


No other tax gives you that right.
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Both of them are a thorn in the side, but Iíd go with state income. I think this is a situation that depends on individual circumstance, but I despise being taxed on something that I own.

We have a high state income tax, but our property tax is very low. Itís almost negligible (depending on where you are, of course).

I was working in TX right before we got married, and we considered living there for a while. While we would make more & take home more $ in Tx &, the COL is so much cheaper up here that it was a wash.

Either way, our tax situation is ridiculous in this country.

Completely agree on all fronts. Like property taxes, I also own my income and its unfortunate that others pay state taxes on that. I'd rather have a consumption tax (given that no taxes is not likely lol).
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Property tax is the only tax where you have due process for appeal.


No other tax gives you that right.
Because the other taxes are set rates. What would there be to appeal?
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Because the other taxes are set rates. What would there be to appeal?


You can appeal your value as well as the tax rates at the taxing entities. No other tax is that way.
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Property tax is the only tax where you have due process for appeal.


No other tax gives you that right.
The appeal is a joke.
So, you go from paying 12k a year to 11500 a year and next year it reevaluated and now its 12500 a year.
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You can appeal your value as well as the tax rates at the taxing entities. No other tax is that way.
The protest usually saves you a few hundred to make you feel like you really beat them up. when they were way high to begin with. Of course you can appeal. It's not much of an appeal when the appeal board is made up of 3 tax employees, one county commissioner and one commoner. You've lost before you ever go in.
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My home is paid off but when I retire in a few years I will be forced out of it because of the $1,000.00 a month rent I have to pay to the state.
The school portion really gigs me as I have not had a kid in school for over 20 years but still have to kick in to pay for someone elses kids to go.
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