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Old 03-08-2018, 07:33 AM   #1
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I'm buying a place in Rocksprings that has a small quarry with a shallow pond. I'm going to have someone dig it out deeper and throw some bentonite in to help seal it. Super ignorant question. If I run a water line to the well how much does that run up my eletrical bill if it's running frequently?

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Old 03-08-2018, 07:35 AM   #2
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Not an ignorant question just many variables to the answer. Obviously the more you run the well the more it will cost.



"how much does that run up my eletrical bill if it's frequently?"

If it's frequently what?
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Old 03-08-2018, 07:41 AM   #3
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Not an ignorant question just many variables to the answer. Obviously the more you run the well the more it will cost.



"how much does that run up my eletrical bill if it's frequently?"

If it's frequently what?
Sorry, running frequently. I'm trying to gauge is it's $100 a month increase or $500 a month increase. Being central Texas there will be some leakage I'm just not sure how much.
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how much does your well produce?
Mine will pump 75 gpm and I can't keep up with evaporation in the summer on a 12 acre pond at my place
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Need to also know about what size you will be making it. I have a pond on a well in East Texas. It has a clay base. Can't get that in Rocksprings, but the bentonite should help a lot.
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Saw no change in mine at all!!!
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how much does your well produce?
Mine will pump 75 gpm and I can't keep up with evaporation in the summer on a 12 acre pond at my place
Great question and I guess I'll find out after we close. I should have looked that up when i was there yesterday with inspector.
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how much does your well produce?
Mine will pump 75 gpm and I can't keep up with evaporation in the summer on a 12 acre pond at my place
I have no idea. I should have looked at that yesterday when I was there with inspector.
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Need to also know about what size you will be making it. I have a pond on a well in East Texas. It has a clay base. Can't get that in Rocksprings, but the bentonite should help a lot.
Probably about 1 acre.
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http://willowridgegardencenter.com/h...o-evaporation/



This^^^ may help you calculate a close estimate.
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Old 03-08-2018, 08:05 AM   #12
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I have no idea. I should have looked at that yesterday when I was there with inspector.
You didn't get a well report?
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Old 03-08-2018, 08:17 AM   #13
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You didn't get a well report?
Well, I guess I should have read the entire report so yes. Water pressure set at 45 PSI and flow with one hydrant at 6 GPM.

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They make solar well pumps as well.
I remember reading a thread on here about them.

That’s all I got. Sorry
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Old 03-08-2018, 09:14 AM   #15
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They make solar well pumps as well.
I remember reading a thread on here about them.

That’s all I got. Sorry
Yeah, that requires drilling a new well which doesn't make the priority for this year.
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Old 03-08-2018, 09:43 AM   #16
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Well, I guess I should have read the entire report so yes. Water pressure set at 45 PSI and flow with one hydrant at 6 GPM.
Gonna be working your pump purty hard, hope you got a biggun. Prolly 1 1/2HP or bigger and your well might not keep up. Might be better to make a smaller pond.

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Old 03-08-2018, 10:08 AM   #17
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I have a windmill pump on mine for this reason.
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Old 03-08-2018, 10:16 AM   #18
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I have a windmill pump on mine for this reason.
Yeah, I'll end up digging a new well next year and pit a windmill pump on it.
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Old 03-08-2018, 10:26 AM   #19
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Do you have a house on this place? I'd look at catching rain water!
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Old 03-08-2018, 10:43 AM   #20
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Yeah, I'll end up digging a new well next year and pit a windmill pump on it.
I don't think a windwill pump will keep up. Our tank is a little over 2 acres and i leave our windmill pumping all the time. It doesn't even come close to keeping up.
I don't remember the exact specs but it is the biggest pump i can pump on the 1 1/4 pipe we run down into the well. I ran pvc under ground to the tank. It is about 150 ft or so.

Last time i checked it would fill a 2.5 gallon bucket in just under a minute with an average wind turning it.
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If my well only produced 6 gpm I sure wouldn't be pumping it into a pond, probably run it dry
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Old 03-08-2018, 10:56 AM   #22
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If my well only produced 6 gpm I sure wouldn't be pumping it into a pond, probably run it dry
My thoughts exactly.
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Old 03-08-2018, 11:01 AM   #23
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My thoughts exactly.
Ok, so then new plan dig out deeper this year and dig a new well next to pond next year.
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Old 03-08-2018, 11:06 AM   #24
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Evaporation rate is a whole lot more than people realize.
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Old 03-08-2018, 11:18 AM   #25
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Ok, so then new plan dig out deeper this year and dig a new well next to pond next year.
Digging out deeper and sealing it will be your best bet. Digging a new well may or may not help, especially if you are tapping into the same water.

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Old 03-08-2018, 11:20 AM   #26
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Looks like a tank to me.
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Old 03-08-2018, 11:39 AM   #27
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I have a small (half acre) pond. During the drought of 2011-12 it dropped real low, but did not empty. We considered running a garden hose to it to try to maintain some level of water. However, some quick math answered our question of whether we should try it. Here it is:

Say you have a 1 acre pond (when full--surface acreage--we understand the surface area decreases as the pond lowers)
In each acre foot (an acre foot is the amount of water it takes to cover one acre of ground one foot deep) there are 325,851 gallons of water.
If your pond is on average (assume straight walls all the way around) 8 feet deep, then you have 8 acre-feet of water (8 x 325,851 = 2,606,808 gallons of water in the pond.

So, to bring our half acre pond up 1 foot would have been 162,925 gallons. Not even a consideration, since we are on city water.
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You might could build some diversion terraces cheaper than digging a well. I can't tell from the picture if this is possible are not.
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Look at neighboring tracts to see how far they had to go on a well, then you can back into your costs. (I want to say there is a public data base where you can look).

I would look at getting a tractor and a dirt spreader to dig out the tank a build a berm. Then you can line it.

Between the well, dirt work, and bentonite, you are going to be spending a considerable amount of money. Much more than it will cost to run the well.
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Looks like a tank to me.


I can't believe it took 26 posts for the Chief of pond police to get here.



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[QUOTE=Burntorange Bowhunter;13238083]Looks like a tank to me.[/QUOTE

I wanted to call it a tank, but I reckon it was a pond to him.
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People saying pond in Texas drives me insane.
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Looks like a pond to me, tank is on a truck.
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Old 03-08-2018, 01:40 PM   #34
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We have a tank on the place out in Eldorado that looks almost exactly like yours. Maybe a foot deep at the deepest point. Put a timer on your well pump, let it run an hour or two a day. It will keep it up. All you need is a couple inches worth of clean water year round and all the critters will be good. The cost to run the pump an hour or so a day is probably about $5-10 a month if that.
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Looks like a pond to me, tank is on a truck.
I don't get caught up if I'm using the right vernacular.....it's really not that important to me. My point was made for the average Joe to understand. If this is the worst the day has thrown at me then a great day it is.

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Ok, so then new plan dig out deeper this year and dig a new well next to pond next year.
If you are going to "dig" a well in that country you are tough!
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Clay would probably seal it a lot better.
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Old 03-08-2018, 03:00 PM   #38
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A. go with a solar or wind pump
B. bentonite will not solve anything unless you can plow it into the existing soil. It's not a sprinkle and instantly retain water kind of thing.
C. Science is your friend. Get a pond expert from that area to do an assessment, and the local ag extension may also help.
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Looks like a pond to me, tank is on a truck.
Non native Texan alert. LOL. Just like the immigrants from Mexico to the US....you must adopt OUR language and way of life.

A pond is in the city and has a jogging trail and park benches.

https://www.texasmonthly.com/the-cul...he-stock-tank/

Ranchers don’t call them ponds. Ponds are for picnics and pollywogs. Ranchers call them what they are: stock tanks for sheep and cattle, for the dead-serious business of keeping animals alive in a semiarid land plagued by drought.
Most tanks in Texas are murky man-made reservoirs, muddy watering holes ringed by hoofprints and dung, built by ranchers who bulldoze pits or earthen dams across gulleys to catch runoff and hold it awhile. Statistically, the average tank in Texas covers four tenths of an acre, but the official figure is somewhat skewed—in South Texas a tank might cover 25 acres, while in East Texas you can almost jump across some.

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Pollywogs=city term
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Hell then even the liberals from Austin know it's a tank. LOL.

I just had to look it up. Tadpoles. LOL.
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Tank is made of metal or concrete and sometimes called a trough. A pond is earthen.
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Non native Texan alert. LOL. Just like the immigrants from Mexico to the US....you must adopt OUR language and way of life.

A pond is in the city and has a jogging trail and park benches.

https://www.texasmonthly.com/the-cul...he-stock-tank/

Ranchers don’t call them ponds. Ponds are for picnics and pollywogs. Ranchers call them what they are: stock tanks for sheep and cattle, for the dead-serious business of keeping animals alive in a semiarid land plagued by drought.
Most tanks in Texas are murky man-made reservoirs, muddy watering holes ringed by hoofprints and dung, built by ranchers who bulldoze pits or earthen dams across gulleys to catch runoff and hold it awhile. Statistically, the average tank in Texas covers four tenths of an acre, but the official figure is somewhat skewed—in South Texas a tank might cover 25 acres, while in East Texas you can almost jump across some.
You get your native slang from Texas Monthly articles?
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how much does your well produce?
Mine will pump 75 gpm and I can't keep up with evaporation in the summer on a 12 acre pond at my place
Crazy how much water is evaporated, never really think about it till you mentioned it.
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Non native Texan alert. LOL. Just like the immigrants from Mexico to the US....you must adopt OUR language and way of life.

A pond is in the city and has a jogging trail and park benches.

https://www.texasmonthly.com/the-cul...he-stock-tank/

Ranchers don’t call them ponds. Ponds are for picnics and pollywogs. Ranchers call them what they are: stock tanks for sheep and cattle, for the dead-serious business of keeping animals alive in a semiarid land plagued by drought.
Most tanks in Texas are murky man-made reservoirs, muddy watering holes ringed by hoofprints and dung, built by ranchers who bulldoze pits or earthen dams across gulleys to catch runoff and hold it awhile. Statistically, the average tank in Texas covers four tenths of an acre, but the official figure is somewhat skewed—in South Texas a tank might cover 25 acres, while in East Texas you can almost jump across some.


So they should rename it to stocktankboss.com
Instead of pondboss.com?
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Old 03-08-2018, 04:28 PM   #46
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I don't think i i could ever justify the cost of a well to compensate for a tank/pond design. i would guess a good design with the right type of clay bottom and the right grade/runoff where even light rains will quickly increase the water level would be the best way to approach it.

If i lived on the property and depended on a water well, i would never want to risk the tank/pond well drying up the water table that my primary source of water depends on. even if that means having to go out and buy some fish to re-stock it when the severe drought strikes.
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depends on there you set your float to kick the well on and the evaporation rate your pond loses water.
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LOL! I stopped reading when they threw out pollywog.
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I can't believe it took 26 posts for the Chief of pond police to get here.



These are tanks.

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No.
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