Finland ends universal basic income

[Pedernal]

We already give a bunch of peeps more than that to do nothing... it’s failed here too...

[Phillip Fields]

This should make everyone on this site jealous of the Nordic countries. They have a constitutionally protected right to the use of their public lands of which make up almost 2/3rds of the countries.

https://www.facebook.com/brutnature/videos/205572869999718/UzpfSTEwMDAwNTQwODUyNTU2Mzo3ODAyODI0Mzg4Mjg3MDA/

They also have these

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jkii...&feature=share

You do realize that Sweden's right to roam includes the right, with some restriction, to roam on private land?

Freedom to roam in practice

It is somewhat more detailed in its own section of the law. Breaking it down, here is how it goes:

•You are allowed to access any land, except private residences, the immediate vicinity (70 meters) of a dwelling house and cultivated land.

•You can put up a tent.

•You are allowed to collect flowers, mushrooms and berries.

•Driving on private roads is allowed unless there’s a sign saying otherwise.

•Swimming in lakes is allowed.

•You can access any beach as long as you stay away from private residences.

•You are allowed to catch fish in the five big lakes and along the entire coastline.

[Razorback01]

Is this program similar to our welfare and food stamp system?

[stickerpatch59]

the only people that should be getting food assistance are those who are truly disabled and old folks. if you are of the age of majority, you should be responsible for yourself and your family if you are married; if you can't afford the rug rats don't dip your wick irresponsibly.
enough of this crap where the hard workers in this society are taking care of the irresponsible and slackers. fend for themselves or starve-die.

[flywise]

the only people that should be getting food assistance are those who are truly disabled and old folks. if you are of the age of majority, you should be responsible for yourself and your family if you are married; if you can't afford the rug rats don't dip your wick irresponsibly.
enough of this crap where the hard workers in this society are taking care of the irresponsible and slackers. fend for themselves or starve-die.

Yep

[curtintex]

Scandinavian countries actually make socialism work. This experiment failed but very well could of worked for THEM. They have several things going for them we don't that allows them to do the things they do. Assimilation. They do not have competing cultures like we do. They are the hardest countries to immigrate to and the follow up to ensure assimilation has occurred. They are a homogenous population. They almost all work. They all contribute to society. Because of these things they always rank the highest in standard of living. If you ever get to visit you will see what Im talking about. Gorgeous countries filled with friendly hard working people.

We have let the hordes infiltrate out country and have countless competing cultures and a very heterogeneous population. Hell half of our country is on some form of welfare.

That's a cool story except that it not true that "They almost all work". Finland's unemployment rate is TWICE what ours is....8.5% as of January 2018 and Sweden's is 6.5%. I don't know about the rest of what you typed, but I was just reading about the high unemployment rate of Scandanavian countries the other day so that jumped out at me.

[lovemylegacy]

Saw this in my LinkedIn feed.

Trump needs to listen to this. If you don't want to work...no gov benefits. Our nation would be so rich.

[RiverRat1]

Ask The natives of Sweden if this is true. Their socialist leaders have ruined the country in the last 5-7 years by allowing hundreds of thousands of bottom of the barrel " migrants " in. It may have been true at one time but not today,at least in Sweden

Can I ask the question of what race/s and cultures predominately populated these countries that bottom of the barrel migrants always choose to move into?

[RiverRat1]

That's a cool story except that it not true that "They almost all work". Finland's unemployment rate is TWICE what ours is....8.5% as of January 2018 and Sweden's is 6.5%. I don't know about the rest of what you typed, but I was just reading about the high unemployment rate of Scandanavian countries the other day so that jumped out at me.

We could go down the rabbit hole of how unemployment is calculated differently in each Country.....

I 100% promise we have more than 5% of our population not working. I would not be shocked if 25% wasn't working.

[curtintex]

Can I ask the question of what race/s and cultures predominately populated these countries that bottom of the barrel migrants always choose to move into?

Give you a hint. They smell like goats and made suicide vests fashionable.

[curtintex]

We could go down the rabbit hole of how unemployment is calculated differently in each Country.....

I 100% promise we have more than 5% of our population not working. I would not be shocked if 25% wasn't working.

I understand that, though I think your 25% is way off, I was simply making the point that those scandinavian countries report their numbers and that is not the same as "They almost all work".

[Ætheling]

You do realize that Sweden's right to roam includes the right, with some restriction, to roam on private land?



Freedom to roam in practice



It is somewhat more detailed in its own section of the law. Breaking it down, here is how it goes:



•You are allowed to access any land, except private residences, the immediate vicinity (70 meters) of a dwelling house and cultivated land.



•You can put up a tent.



•You are allowed to collect flowers, mushrooms and berries.



•Driving on private roads is allowed unless there’s a sign saying otherwise.



•Swimming in lakes is allowed.



•You can access any beach as long as you stay away from private residences.



•You are allowed to catch fish in the five big lakes and along the entire coastline.

Yes its in the video I posted. Very common in Europe.


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[CWP]

For what it’s worth. This was part what is actually kind of an interesting set of experiments, testing different ideas in small randomized samples...to play with new ideas/concepts. Long read, or can listen to the full podcast after: https://99percentinvisible.org/episo...sh-experiment/

A few excerpts:

UBI advocates argue that many jobs don’t pay enough to even make rent and buy groceries: people can work full-time and still be below the poverty line. It’s easy to understand why people on the left would advocate for a guaranteed income, but a version of this concept is also popular among libertarians, who see UBI as a way to shrink the welfare state. For example, you could take away food stamps, medicare, and housing subsidies, and replace all of it with this one flat sum.


The experiment itself is fascinating, not just because of what Finland is testing but also how they are testing it. Finland is trying out a unique, design-oriented way of thinking about government. Rather than rolling out laws on a massive scale, they are trying to craft legislation in stages, with user feedback, just as one would create a piece of design.

Demos helped establish an “experimentation unit” for the prime minister’s office to create prototypes of laws, deploy them in a controlled fashion and see what’s effective before scaling them up.

With that in place, one of the first experiments the Finnish government decided to try was with basic income. Instead of attempting to modify the extensive and complicated welfare system already in place, this experiment is performed on a sample segment of the population sample in a randomized and automatic fashion. Basic income just gets deposited in participants’ bank accounts every month.

Normally, to collect unemployment in Finland, Sanna would have to go to job training meetings and check-ins every few months. Under the basic income experiment, Sanna and the other test participants scattered around the country don’t have to do anything at all to get their 560 euros every month.

At the end of the experiment, KELA will look and see if this group of unemployed people who got basic income took on work, and compare it with their control group: the rest of the unemployed people.

This experiment, however, is not a test of UBI, in that it’s not actually universal. It’s only for unemployed people. “I think what we’re experimenting with now is called partial basic income,” says Mokka. “This is of course a limited experiment. I don’t know how relevant it is, because a lot of groups are missing.” If so, then in a future test, basic income will also have to be given to people who are already employed, to see if they quit or change jobs.

The experiment is far from perfect, but it’s not supposed to be a final product. Truly, it’s the first draft. If this test yields meaningful results, it should lead to another experiment, then another and another.

Finland isn’t just designing experiments with basic income. There will be experiments for what languages to teach in schools, how to change childcare and other things. According to their website, the experimentation office is working on 26 key projects nationally.

[Ætheling]

Ask The natives of Sweden if this is true. Their socialist leaders have ruined the country in the last 5-7 years by allowing hundreds of thousands of bottom of the barrel " migrants " in. It may have been true at one time but not today,at least in Sweden

Stockholm is in-shambles. The rest of the country you wont see a single muslim. Unlike here those people do not have a perm home.


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[Ætheling]

That's a cool story except that it not true that "They almost all work". Finland's unemployment rate is TWICE what ours is....8.5% as of January 2018 and Sweden's is 6.5%. I don't know about the rest of what you typed, but I was just reading about the high unemployment rate of Scandanavian countries the other day so that jumped out at me.

Semantics. Almost all. Their unemployment has averages 6 percent for the last 50 yrs. 94 percent is almost all to me. Our number is bs. You might say 96 percent is almost all. There are no true definitions.


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