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Old 07-13-2017, 07:32 PM   #1
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Default Any of you Colt AR guys tell me why this gun is special??

Besides the obvious factory camo / early s/n...what exactly makes this particular Colt a collectable??

I've been / am working on a good consignment package of assorted semi autos that fall into the 'assault' category & can tell you the market is really really soft...if you are looking for one, now is the time to get one.

Now, I know certain guns command premium...just not sure about this guy. Limited run / few survivors?? Any ideas??

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Old 07-13-2017, 08:53 PM   #2
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Was in a pawn shop this week and they had probably a hundred handguns and 20 or so ARs in addition to a few rifles/shotguns. Never seen so many ARs in one shop before.
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Old 07-13-2017, 09:06 PM   #3
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An older A2 with carry handle, not a flattop, fixed stock 20" barrel, would be my uneducated guess.
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Old 07-13-2017, 09:23 PM   #4
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Pre-ban maybe?
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Old 07-13-2017, 09:24 PM   #5
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Just saw the factory camo part. That is pretty rare in itself.
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Old 07-13-2017, 10:05 PM   #6
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I don't think so...bluebook makes no mention of a factory camo & s/n doesn't seem to match any pre-bans.

I'll ask the buyer what the scoop is when he contacts me...just curious as I was expecting to get 1/2 of what it went for. It only had about a dozen watchers, which is really low so not too well known.
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I would think an original Colt Z Cote with that low of a serial number would be worth a boat load. That would have been a good one to research prior to listing, probably could have got a lot more coin had it been advertised correctly.
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Old 07-13-2017, 10:37 PM   #8
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The Z was updated pretty early on & both the seller & I are happy with the final price & it ran for two weeks...he paid a fraction for it some time ago. Again, I looked but found no history on the gun. Since the Z & early s/n were mentioned, I think we got close to current market. His Colt 6920 Law Enforcement Carbines only went for $900 & those were new in the blue box.

He's taking a hit on most all the others so no complaints...the buyer of his Arsenal http://www.gunbroker.com/item/657837326 backed out of the buy due to personal reasons and think I'm gonna buy this one myself. Man, the assault market is SOFT.



EDIT...I found it. Early GS serial numbers are pre-ban & the z cote is rare.

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EDIT...I found it. Early GS serial numbers are pre-ban & the z cote is rare.
So I was right on both accounts. That thing was worth a fairly large amount of money. I'm thinking $3,500-5,000.
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Old 07-13-2017, 11:25 PM   #10
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I don't trust blue book...it can make & loose you $$$$. I find values on sold items & never did find one. I do think it is worth more than it sold, but not gonna say it's worth what bb says. They are way low & high on many many models.

I think kae is correct & should have caught this on my initial research...having the model & mentioning the rarity may have helped, but this gun had a ton of views & surely those in the know saw / understood it. Regardless, my customer is really happy with the price as he paid a couple hundred for it a long time ago.

Ignorance is curable...stupid is forever.
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Why do people that deal with AR's push the 'assault' narrative?

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Old 07-14-2017, 02:00 AM   #12
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How else would you want me to explain the type of guns I am consigning like AK's / AR's an the like?? I'm not looking to appease the anti's or those concerned about our freedom & walking some fine line to look rational out of fear.

I'm a life member of the NRA & you won't find another civilian patriot that will defend to keep legal assault rifles, but I'm not gonna go all politically correct & call them something lame like hi capacity semi auto legal combat rifles...assault rifles is exactly what they are and why I put the 'assault' over it in my opener. It's an accurate description & not gonna be swayed to use the term that rightly fits due to PC 'narrative'.

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Why do people that deal with AR's push the 'assault' narrative?

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Old 07-14-2017, 08:10 AM   #14
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How else would you want me to explain the type of guns I am consigning like AK's / AR's an the like?? I'm not looking to appease the anti's or those concerned about our freedom & walking some fine line to look rational out of fear.

I'm a life member of the NRA & you won't find another civilian patriot that will defend to keep legal assault rifles, but I'm not gonna go all politically correct & call them something lame like hi capacity semi auto legal combat rifles...assault rifles is exactly what they are and why I put the 'assault' over it in my opener. It's an accurate description & not gonna be swayed to use the term that rightly fits due to PC 'narrative'.
I am truly curious where the description came from. I am not questioning you in particular. I just call them what they are AR, AK, M4 or whatever. For example, I have never heard a gun guy refer to a BAR as an 'assault' rifle. However, we all know that is a large caliber fully automatic weapon of war. That rifle is always referred to as 'BAR'. I am guessing the 'Assault Rifle' moniker for anything black and scary came from someone that does not know better thinking that is what the 'AR' denotes. I was not taking a shot at you, if it came across that way I apologize.
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Old 07-14-2017, 10:11 AM   #15
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How else would you want me to explain the type of guns I am consigning like AK's / AR's an the like?? I'm not looking to appease the anti's or those concerned about our freedom & walking some fine line to look rational out of fear.

I'm a life member of the NRA & you won't find another civilian patriot that will defend to keep legal assault rifles, but I'm not gonna go all politically correct & call them something lame like hi capacity semi auto legal combat rifles...assault rifles is exactly what they are and why I put the 'assault' over it in my opener. It's an accurate description & not gonna be swayed to use the term that rightly fits due to PC 'narrative'.


Paul I can't agree with a lot of what you said here. What makes an AR, AK, etc an "assault" weapon in your opinion?

I think it's a made up liberal term to make them seem scarier than they are.


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Old 07-14-2017, 10:36 AM   #16
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Meh..the term has just stuck on me Mikey. I'll be getting another batch of similar guns next weekend.

When I'm talking to folks & they ask me what I'm currently consigning..."mostly assault" type weapons if you are interested in anything like that. It's understood that the arms will fall inline with semi auto / hi cap long guns. Just tired of worried being pc in my verbiage in my line of work.

Now would I use it if being interviewed by the media...likely not, but with other gun guys I know & you guys here, I'm not going to sweat the term. Lots easier to describe the package vs say military style when you have sks, nds-3, Fal, etc. They aren't always black & I can't recall everything I may have on hand.

I apologize if I came across harsh HIC...not sure who phrased the term, but I don't really feel it has a negative connotation amongst ourselves. Folks who are anti are not going to like me quoting assault, military or hi cap semis. They are going to run with it regardless.

Hope that better clarifies my thoughts.
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"Assault" is a verb, not a noun. You're using the word incorrectly.
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Old 07-14-2017, 03:27 PM   #18
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I'm not gonna get into semantics...
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Old 07-14-2017, 06:54 PM   #19
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I think this one might have a switch for auto/semi ?


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Old 07-14-2017, 10:19 PM   #20
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Who gives a rats *** what it's called. Paul is a good dude. Even though I wish I knew he had that rifle before GunBroker haha. Nice weapon
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Old 07-14-2017, 10:37 PM   #21
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Thanks Matt...it's all good & not a big deal to me at all. We are all in the same fight & the antis are always going play us regardless of the nomenclature either decide to use. Fellow enthusiasts discussing a neat AR on a hunting forum need not bicker.

Funny what makes guns desirable...it's really no different than any other Govt AR besides the clothes worn & born on date. I love learning about new ones to watch out for.

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Old 07-14-2017, 11:00 PM   #22
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That SN is what I'd want
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Old 07-16-2017, 09:14 AM   #23
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Many black rifle makers and the NSSF are calling them modern sporting rifles. Getting away from the media term. But yes...when your selling. The term assault rifle does the description well. Then again the media has done that to our terminology.
I love those old Colts. Made one by one. By hand. GLWS.

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Old 07-16-2017, 06:02 PM   #24
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I did not hear of the title of assault rifle until the left wingers started using it to describe weapons of war copies as being used, legally, by ordinary citizens in an attempt to demonize them. I personally describe my AR, in 6.5 Grendel, as strictly a hunting tool.
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Old 07-16-2017, 06:10 PM   #25
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LOL...

I could just see the looks when my guys ask what I have for sale..."several modern sporting rifles" if interested.

crickets & stares I reckon...reply: could you elaborate?? Until a realistic term amongst fellow enthusiasts comes along, I'm not going to worry about what other gun guys think about me using the term assault or military type weapons.
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Cause it starts with the letter C. Some of the best things in the world start with the letter C.


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