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Old 07-13-2017, 08:21 PM   #51
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Rick, I'm thinking it must have been an earlier study. The one I posted a link too, took place after they had switched to traditional. I agree with you in that when I come to this forum I want to talk about trad equipment and subjects.
Yeah, I don't know.
All I know is, I remember setting down with an article from MCAAP concerning their study, reading it, and discussing it with several others at the table at the time, and that has been quite a long time ago. We all found it pretty interesting to say the least.

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Old 07-13-2017, 09:11 PM   #52
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I don't think you're a snob Rick. And I know you're dang good for sure. And I agree that this section should stay trad oriented. But I learned a long time ago in my career that it didn't matter how good I was at what I did if I couldn't share it with, pass on to and mentor for others.

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I find some good folk here doing that daily.

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Default So this was in the trad section, I take it

If you green screen on a smart phone, everything shows up on the home page.
I didn't go looking in the trad section for some 'purist' to poke at.
I just noticed a guy getting beat up on for having fun.
I don't care if he's riding a tricycle, dating a big girl, shooting a compound , or a glock.
Let the man enjoy life.
Now stop crying and go watch some more videos so you can try to guess how far your next deer will duck-just playing.
Y'all have fun out there
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If you green screen on a smart phone, everything shows up on the home page.
I didn't go looking in the trad section for some 'purist' to poke at.
I just noticed a guy getting beat up on for having fun.
I don't care if he's riding a tricycle, dating a big girl, shooting a compound , or a glock.
Let the man enjoy life.
Now stop crying and go watch some more videos so you can try to guess how far your next deer will duck-just playing.
Y'all have fun out there
That's weird. I come here all the time on my smart phone, and know exactly what forum I am in every time. It all works exactly like when on my computer, except the screen is smaller.

I wonder why you can't?
Not being a SA. Just curious.

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Old 07-14-2017, 08:45 AM   #56
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I would share no matter what you shoot.

I didn't say I couldn't figure it out, I said it pops up on the home screen. I click on interesting titles, noticed a guy getting ragged on.
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Well Rick I sometimes don't look to the right to see what forum it is either but just click on home screen titles that catch my interest but most of the time I use Tapatalk now and have chose to get feed from only the trad section so I don't use the GS much any more.


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I would share no matter what you shoot.

I didn't say I couldn't figure it out, I said it pops up on the home screen. I click on interesting titles, noticed a guy getting ragged on.
I understand completely.
You were coming to the rescue of what you thought was a brother in trouble.

That is truly commendable, yet prior to your valiant charge, if you had been paying a little more attention to what you were reading, you would have realized it to be unnecessary.

Moral of that story - If you're going to play "super hero", make sure your exray vision isn't on the blink before you start knocking doors down.

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Old 07-14-2017, 09:46 AM   #59
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Really???? I think it has a lot more to do with the person than the equipment!

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Old 07-14-2017, 11:30 AM   #61
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Heck I would settle for a productive hog hunt right now. All work and no killing makes Gary a GOF.

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Old 07-14-2017, 11:33 AM   #62
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I'm just glad some folks on this site bow hunt at all!
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Old 07-14-2017, 11:48 AM   #63
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Everyone thinks owning your own place is like making it to Meca. Yeah it's good but the costs to purchase, fix up and maintain make leasing a bargain. Not to mention the time. But when its done, lodge is right, fence up and stocked well I guess it will. Be worth 70 hours a week in the heat to pay for it.

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Old 07-14-2017, 12:21 PM   #64
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Everyone thinks owning your own place is like making it to Meca. Yeah it's good but the costs to purchase, fix up and maintain make leasing a bargain. Not to mention the time. But when its done, lodge is right, fence up and stocked well I guess it will. Be worth 70 hours a week in the heat to pay for it.

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Old 07-14-2017, 01:01 PM   #65
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I would share no matter what you shoot.

I didn't say I couldn't figure it out, I said it pops up on the home screen. I click on interesting titles, noticed a guy getting ragged on.
This is like the 3rd time you have used the excuse that you were defending the OP... after one rather lame post (sorry rick.) And your defense was to insult a big group of folks to "defend" one guy that you don't even know.

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Old 07-14-2017, 01:25 PM   #66
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Everyone thinks owning your own place is like making it to Meca. Yeah it's good but the costs to purchase, fix up and maintain make leasing a bargain. Not to mention the time. But when its done, lodge is right, fence up and stocked well I guess it will. Be worth 70 hours a week in the heat to pay for it.

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Old 07-14-2017, 01:42 PM   #67
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This is like the 3rd time you have used the excuse that you were defending the OP... after one rather lame post (sorry rick.) And your defense was to insult a big group of folks to "defend" one guy that you don't even know.

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It was a somewhat inflammatory post. However he has not continued any derogatory commentary. However it seems the negative reaction to his comments is really over board.


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Old 07-14-2017, 01:54 PM   #68
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I just googled what an LX looks like .
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Old 07-14-2017, 02:27 PM   #69
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35" ATA. Sold mine to go shorter. However just like trad bows shorter had a truck to it as well.

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Old 07-14-2017, 02:32 PM   #70
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after one rather lame post (sorry rick.)

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Lame? LAME?!!!??!?!?

I didn't even make a comment. It was a question born from curiosity.
I'm crushed. I may never recover from this.



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My confidence is shot.
I may to have to start using an Air Bow.

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Old 07-14-2017, 03:16 PM   #71
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This is like the 3rd time you have used the excuse that you were defending the OP... after one rather lame post (sorry rick.) And your defense was to insult a big group of folks to "defend" one guy that you don't even know.

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I insulted people by saying compounds are more efficient?

That's like saying a 4 wheel drive pick up does better in mud than a two-wheel drive.If similarly equipped

Does that irritate all the two wheel drive owner?

It's just physics compound bows produce more energy per pound of energy exerted. Why would anybody get irritated at the truth that's why you like traditional equipment because it's more challenging
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Old 07-14-2017, 03:22 PM   #72
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Well gave the recurves a break yesterday and broke out the old Mathews LX compound - it still can shoot - if I do my part - the metal shed with 3 new bullet holes (arrow size) beside my backstop might not agree - lol. I still like the feel but you can tell when you have not touched her in quite awhile - still turned way down on poundage and really watching the strings etc for wear - strings were new when put in resting mode but it has been 3-4 years at least - probably better look at new strings and cables if I get serious about reawakening the old girl - hmmm - felt good though...amazing the difference between this and Trad - still love my recurves.
I still have mine. Dang, that thang is light!
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I insulted people by saying compounds are more efficient?

That's like saying a 4 wheel drive pick up does better in mud than a two-wheel drive.If similarly equipped

Does that irritate all the two wheel drive owner?

It's just physics compound bows produce more energy per pound of energy exerted. Why would anybody get irritated at the truth that's why you like traditional equipment because it's more challenging
I don't know that they're really more efficient...kinda like the 7 mag vs 243 argument. They both work you just have to know the limitations...but yeah, generally speaking I get what you're saying. Nobody's mad at ya, it's just the trad forum so posts about compounds go south sometimes.
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I insulted people by saying compounds are more efficient?

That's like saying a 4 wheel drive pick up does better in mud than a two-wheel drive.If similarly equipped

Does that irritate all the two wheel drive owner?

It's just physics compound bows produce more energy per pound of energy exerted. Why would anybody get irritated at the truth that's why you like traditional equipment because it's more challenging
The more efficient part wasn't a problem for most folks to agree with.

Throwing in the more ethical for compound/less ethical for Trad bows part was where you screwed up, and was pretty ignorant on your part.

Now - Using the word ignorant isn't meant as an insult to you.
There are basically two definitions of ignorant:

(1)lacking knowledge or awareness in general
(2) uneducated or unsophisticated.

#1 is applicable here, and simply means you aren't knowledgeable about something.

In this case, you don't really know about Traditional equipment, it's use, or how extremely efficient/proficient it can be. At least/certainly not enough to supply an educated opinion on it.

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I insulted people by saying compounds are more efficient?

That's like saying a 4 wheel drive pick up does better in mud than a two-wheel drive.If similarly equipped

Does that irritate all the two wheel drive owner?

It's just physics compound bows produce more energy per pound of energy exerted. Why would anybody get irritated at the truth that's why you like traditional equipment because it's more challenging
You insulted people by saying more ETHICAL. Big, big, big difference than EFFECIENT and since you brought up game wounding, I can only assume you really meant to imply that trad equipment is less ethical. If a peice of equipment is actually unethical, then anybody who uses it is actually unethical too....

But you seemed it necessary to throw that stinker out there. And I chose not to address it, but you keep defending your statements by saying you made it because folks were supppsedly ragging on him (after literally 2 posts...)
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Shoot that compound with pride.
Its the same motion as a long bow, pull the string and shoot.
Only more ethical - more accurate-more consistent- more energy= less wounded game
Obviously folks who shoot trad don't think our gear is less than ethical. Having hunted many different ways, most probably think some ways are easier to become proficient at... but once proficient, they all kill critters equally as dead. Ethics don't really come into the equation for comparison between the two.

So coming on here and saying what you beleive is fine... just don't expect folks to agree with you.


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I wonder if TBH could remove the home page topic feed for the Traditional forum, and how many would think it a good idea?

Seems to me it would head off a lot of unnecessary conflict.

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Decided against it, because I figured to many folks wouldn't see it as the friendly joke it was intended as.
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Old 07-14-2017, 09:23 PM   #77
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My smart phone goes straight to the trad forum. I came from compound. I have seen the light! Not inefficient or unethical. More rewarding. Just the look on a coupound guys face when he see's your kill is priceless. I went from a gun to a compound for that rewarding feeling, now it's the trad bow. Who knows, maybe an atlatle next!
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I wonder if TBH could remove the home page topic feed for the Traditional forum, and how many would think it a good idea?

Seems to me it would head off a lot of unnecessary conflict.

Rick

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I started to say - "Seems to me it would head off a lot of unnecessary conflict for the technologically challenged."

Decided against it, because I figured to many folks wouldn't see it as the friendly joke it was intended as.


All forums of any kind can't avoid heated debates at times, it's the nature of the beast, nothing wrong with a discussion that gets ya fired up

And by the way I feel like a better more complete archer after switching to mainly my recurve


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All forums of any kind can't avoid heated debates at times, it's the nature of the beast, nothing wrong with a discussion that gets ya fired up

And by the way I feel like a better more complete archer after switching to mainly my recurve


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Yeah. I was just trying to think outside the box. Lots of times the confusion, and resulting conflict is due to not knowing where you are.

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Yeah. I was just trying to think outside the box. Lots of times the confusion, and resulting conflict is due to not knowing where you are.



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I agree, I think it's the Tapatalk feature where whatever is the most recent post that thread is at the top of the news feed forum, a lot of folks do end up at the wrong place, I see it quite a bit on here and archery talk


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A compound is excessively more energy effective, pound for pound in draw weight, to any trad bow.

If I were still shooting it on a regular basis I guarantee i could consistently out shoot the vast majority of any of you at extended ranges if i were shooting my compound and you shooting your trad bow. That's wth my broken up body and half blind eyes.

That said all of the different factors must be taken into account. Like Bisch states it's more about the shooter than what they shoot.

I know guys who have never paper tuned, walk back tuned, broadhead tuned or did anything other than half *** sight in their $1200 high end compound, screw on a Rage head and go hunt.

I also have seen trad guys shoot arrows that wobbled like crazy getting to the target and looled like they weren't tuned as well.

I don't think there's any room for pointing fingers.



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Old 07-15-2017, 04:43 PM   #82
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Extended ranges don't mean squat when it comes to trad hunting! That's like saying I could pull out my scoped deer rifle and beat any of you compounders at 150yds!

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Exactly Bisch but bullying the rifle shooter because he doesn't respect your discipline doesn't make one right. Just self righteous.

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cbd10pt (maybe some others too) misinterpreted my stab at a joking jab.

That lead to opening a whole can of worms due to the derogatory ethics comment pointed at the trad shooters, and he was obviously NOT joking.

Generally, here in this forum - If ya don't bring none, there won't be none. It might help to keep that in mind.

Last but not least - This is the Traditional Forum.
Might help to remember that too.
You don't have to like it, but it would be good practice to respect it.

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I had no issues with the OP shooting his wheel bow. I pretty much believe "to each his own". But when somebody comes on here and tries to imply that trad hunting is unethical, I have a problem with that. I hung out in an archery shop nearly 5 days a week for hours each day, for almost all of the last 5 years. I have personally witnessed many wheel bow guys shoot that have no business bowhunting. I have also seen a lot of trad shooters who have no business hunting. It is not the equipment, it is the ability, or lack thereof, that makes doing it ethical or not, and that varies from person to person.

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I had no issues with the OP shooting his wheel bow. I pretty much believe "to each his own". But when somebody comes on here and tries to imply that trad hunting is unethical, I have a problem with that. I hung out in an archery shop nearly 5 days a week for hours each day, for almost all of the last 5 years. I have personally witnessed many wheel bow guys shoot that have no business bowhunting. I have also seen a lot of trad shooters who have no business hunting. It is not the equipment, it is the ability, or lack thereof, that makes doing it ethical or not, and that varies from person to person.

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Really? I used to hang on the rifle range several afternoons a week. Saw a ton of guys shooting in their deer rifles. Far too many had trouble hitting a 6" swinging gong from a bench rest at a 100 yards much less a deer off hand. Some had the wrong ammo. Some the scopes weren't tightened down. Heck a buddy bought AR15 last year and he had the scope mounted at the place he bought the gun. It was installed backwards by the gun shop he bought it at. Not everyone is an expert at what they do.

This thread went from addressing a guy making a bad comment about ethics to a bashing of a forum member. In it we took a guy working on going traditional and insulted him for sharing an experience as well. Poor JB hasn't posted on this thread since his apology for starting a ruckus.

And Bisch my comparison of shooting my compound to most folks with a recurve was a direct response to some comments made earlier.

There are people out there who are exceptional at what they do. LeBron is a generational talent at Bball. Byron Furgeson most of us will never be but that doesn't make us unworthy of shooting a trad bow, having an opinion, or even valid knowledge and experience.

I accept that traditional equipment has limitations modern bows can exceed. Denying the physics of the matter doesn't change the reality.
What I accept, nay embrace, more is that I am much more limited with traditional equipment than I am with a modern compound due to the fact that it is more difficult to master than a modern compound. That I have to work harder and shoot more to be an efficient and ethical hunter with it.
But I'm a bowhunter with whatever bow I shoot.

Today it was my Widow.





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Yesterday I was visiting a local bow shop by the airport... This guy come strolling in looking somewhat lost and a little impressed. It was very obvious that he does not get to town much. He stated "his wife's plane got delayed". The proprietor of the shop asked if he would like to shoot while he waited. The fellow gratefully accepted the offer.

The proprietor was somewhat surprised when the man asked for a recurve. He gathered the fellow a handful of arrows that appeared to be wood but they were the carbons that look like wood. He came out with a recurve that looked to be the at least the age of the fellow.

The man began shooting, he did not seem to be intimidated by the compound guys at all. It did not take long for the compound guys to notice the very tight groups of the stranger in their shop shooting a borrowed recurve with likely unmatched arrows.

We all learned something yesterday... Be nice to everyone, you may just make a new friend.
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Old 07-16-2017, 04:21 PM   #89
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Holy Training Wheels and Struggle Sticks. I am amazed at how far this thread has gone off the rails. I don't understand what all the fuss is about. I literally take three bows with me every time I go to the lease. Longbow, Recurve, and compound, I shoot a Onieda when bow fishing and as soon as I finish building my self bow Ill take that to the woods too. I agree that the Less Ethical statement was out of line but he has clarified his intended meaning for the statement. Why cant we just move on?
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Old 07-16-2017, 06:11 PM   #90
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Yikes, this one was entertaining lol.

Really it's all the same, the only difference is getting closer. Just like you have to hunt harder with a compound then a rifle.

I shot both compound and trad until this year, which I switched to all trad in April. So far it's been about equally effective, it just takes more time to get it done is all.
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Old 07-16-2017, 06:37 PM   #91
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I think it's good that we have a place to share our archery passions. Doesn't mean we always will agree. Disagreement doesn't mean I don't respect those men on here who have succeeded before me and help light my path on this journey.

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Old 07-16-2017, 09:31 PM   #92
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I agree.
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Old 07-17-2017, 10:50 AM   #93
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Well I have agonized over this faux pas long enough - I have felt terrible - feeling responsible and almost guilty for starting what has appeared to me to be the biggest display of misguided rhetoric I have seen since - well along time. I in no way meant to cause a stir by posting a comment about wheel bows in a Traditional forum (of which I am a member and supporter) - was just trying to share a wonderful experience I had the day before with like minded fellow enthusiasts - I see I am not like minded - maybe with a few but not all. I enjoy archery...always have. I have recently tried to get back into the traditional end of it because I have my fondest memories of hunting in that setting and been away from it far too long and because of it's challenge and because it helps me get back to the nature of it's simplicity and purity.
I made no negative comments about anyone or too anybody - but feel like I was accused of such - lets get past this and move on - I have learned a tremendous amount of good information from this forum and hope to continue to do so - but I will not listen to this anymore without speaking out - JB
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Old 07-17-2017, 11:00 AM   #94
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Well I have agonized over this faux pas long enough - I have felt terrible - feeling responsible and almost guilty for starting what has appeared to me to be the biggest display of misguided rhetoric I have seen since - well along time. I in no way meant to cause a stir by posting a comment about wheel bows in a Traditional forum (of which I am a member and supporter) - was just trying to share a wonderful experience I had the day before with like minded fellow enthusiasts - I see I am not like minded - maybe with a few but not all. I enjoy archery...always have. I have recently tried to get back into the traditional end of it because I have my fondest memories of hunting in that setting and been away from it far too long and because of it's challenge and because it helps me get back to the nature of it's simplicity and purity.
I made no negative comments about anyone or too anybody - but feel like I was accused of such - lets get past this and move on - I have learned a tremendous amount of good information from this forum and hope to continue to do so - but I will not listen to this anymore without speaking out - JB
It's all good JB. No harm, no foul. Stick around, this a great group of guys, but just like anywhere else there will always be some disagreements.
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Old 07-17-2017, 11:13 AM   #95
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I was attacked for stating a fact once on another forum the other individual was mis informed but in the end I was right . I would say don't let it get to you , there some good topics and information with some good people with some friendly teasing at times, and cool pictures of trophies. Like CRM_95 said above stick around.
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Old 07-17-2017, 11:18 AM   #96
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It wasn't you at all that got this to where it is now. I can assure you that 99% of the trad guys here don't care what you shoot and accept everyone. It was another comment by a different member that stirred the pot.

But...this is nothing. Go to the 'campfire' and ask which is better, Mathews or Bowtech...At least two weeks of entertainment for sure.

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Old 07-17-2017, 11:26 AM   #97
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You didn't do anything wrong JB. Keep shooting and posting.

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Old 07-17-2017, 12:44 PM   #98
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JB it wasn't you at all, just a troll that jumped in and derailed your post. Definitely nothing wrong with shooting both, or a rifle for that matter. It's all about having fun and getting the fulfillment your looking for.

When we start talking ethics or shot distances just grab a beer and roll your eyes.
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Old 07-17-2017, 03:20 PM   #99
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I do appreciate the comments from all of you - plan on hanging around - you all have too much good information and experience for me to ignore - and perhaps we can share a beer around the campfire someday...
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Bud Light guy here.

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