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Old 06-23-2017, 10:56 AM   #1
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So apparently the new website to apply for the 2 different options of MLDP is supposed to launch on July 1st now. In the past we have been enrolled in LAMPS but I'm really excited to hopefully be able to hunt OCT-FEB even if we only get a few tags. What are yalls thoughts?
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Old 06-23-2017, 11:17 AM   #2
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We were doing lamps also so I'm interested to see what program will be best to replace it
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Old 06-23-2017, 11:26 AM   #3
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I guess I should check it out as there was 3 options of MLD before. I hunt one property that is MLD 1 and two that are MLD 3 so I wonder if something will change this year.
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Old 06-23-2017, 11:37 AM   #4
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What I have been told is that if you own less than a couple of hundred acres your chances of getting doe permits are slim under the harvest option.
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Old 06-23-2017, 12:00 PM   #5
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Harvest Option or Conservation Option

The way our biologist explained it to us is that not only acreage but location in the state as well will all be factored in to "the formula" that TPWD came up with. Regardless of what "the formula" spits out for your certain property, you can accept and claim the tags they issue you, or reject and follow county reg.

Unsure but I want to say that if choosing the Harvest Option and not satisfied with the quantity of tags issued, you can request more.
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Old 06-23-2017, 12:12 PM   #6
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If your only getting "a few tags" why do you need MLD ? Just curious.
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Old 06-23-2017, 12:26 PM   #7
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If your only getting "a few tags" why do you need MLD ? Just curious.
One reason is the extra hunting days and, I hope, because I haven't seen all the regs yet, the ability to take a mature buck that doesn't meet AR. We had a buck a couple years ago that was obviously mature that couldn't be shot because of AR. I even sent a trail cam pic to the GW and it was a no-go. The only downside to AR in my opinion.

Another reason, if your land is on the tax rolls as wildlife management, it bolsters your position. Again, my opinion.

I'm gonna go with the Harvest Option on both my places and see what they recommend. If I don't like it, I'll opt out.
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Old 07-05-2017, 06:58 PM   #8
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https://lma.tpwd.state.tx.us/tag-estimator

Here is the link to the tag estimator.
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Old 07-05-2017, 07:03 PM   #9
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Old 07-05-2017, 07:18 PM   #10
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Did the tag estimator in Bee county and it says for 1000 acres we can kill 1 any buck and three antlerless. No way I'm going that direction !
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Old 07-05-2017, 08:58 PM   #11
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Harrison County. 348 acres. 2 doe and 0 bucks. No way.


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Old 07-05-2017, 09:54 PM   #12
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I did our place in Runnels county and it gave me 5 buck and 10 doe...
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Old 07-05-2017, 10:08 PM   #13
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That tag estimator map is about the dumbest thing I've seen. How are you supposed to map out your place with a roadmap ? Unless I'm missing something I can only know where my places are, I sure as hell can't draw the boundaries.
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Old 07-05-2017, 10:10 PM   #14
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That tag estimator map is about the dumbest thing I've seen. How are you supposed to map out your place with a roadmap ? Unless I'm missing something I can only know where my places are, I sure as hell can't draw the boundaries.
there is a satellite tab on the bottom left of the map/
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Old 07-05-2017, 10:14 PM   #15
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That estimator is for the harvest option The conservation option is supposed to give you more tags.
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Old 07-05-2017, 10:39 PM   #16
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there is a satellite tab on the bottom left of the map/
I didn't see it, but I'll go back and take a look. I was able to kinda estimate my place in Rusk Co. Think it's gonna be a no-go for me. Thanks !
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Old 07-05-2017, 10:46 PM   #17
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I didn't see it, but I'll go back and take a look. I was able to kinda estimate my place in Rusk Co. Think it's gonna be a no-go for me. Thanks !
Found the tab, but ain't interested now. Zero deer where I live. One doe on 217 acres in Rusk Co. If the state wanted out of this program, then I believe it will be a resounding success !
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Old 07-05-2017, 11:10 PM   #18
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What a crock. We now get 30 does and 30 buck tags. Under the harvest option we would get 6 buck tags and 17 doe tags.
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Old 07-05-2017, 11:18 PM   #19
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We went from getting 4 doe tags under lamps to now 1 doe tag on over 500 acres. That was under the harvest option. Very few people will participate in that.


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Old 07-06-2017, 08:48 AM   #20
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Ya I was hoping for more, 1 doe tag for 200 acres (usually we get 2 lamp tags). In llano it's quoting us 70 doe tags and 15 buck tags. The ratio is nowhere near that off. Guess it's time to just contact our biologist.

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Old 07-06-2017, 09:10 AM   #21
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I may consider it as I was on LAMPS and was given 2 doe tags on a little over 400 acres (I always knew it was low, but liked the extended season). The estimator determined 4 doe tags.

It is my understanding that when the estimator shows 0 unbranded and 0 branched, the hunter must use the tags on their license.




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Old 07-06-2017, 09:36 AM   #22
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I may consider it as I was on LAMPS and was given 2 doe tags on a little over 400 acres (I always knew it was low, but liked the extended season). The estimator determined 4 doe tags.

It is my understanding that when the estimator shows 0 unbranded and 0 branched, the hunter must use the tags on their license.




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Under the MLD Programs you could not use your regular tags. there won't be many chose Harvest Option.
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Old 07-06-2017, 09:57 AM   #23
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[quote=BrandonA;12554514]Under the MLD Programs you could not use your regular tags. there won't be many chose Harvest Option.[/QUOTE

According to the info I was given by TPWD

Program participants may choose a harvest recommendation and MLDP tag
issuance for: PWD 1047 W7000 (6/17)

only buck deer,
only antlerless deer, or
buck and antlerless deer.
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Old 07-06-2017, 09:59 AM   #24
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Old 07-06-2017, 10:01 AM   #25
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For our two close, but not contiguous properties in Red River County, we received three doe tags in the past (2 for a 240 acre property, 1 for a 120 acre property). In addition, our hunters could use their license tags to tag allowable bucks.
Under this program, our hunters would be allowed one doe for the entire 360 acres.
This isn't the most 'target rich' area of the state, but who would pay to lease these properties if all they could do is shoot one doe among all the hunters?
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Old 07-06-2017, 10:22 AM   #26
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Ok Thanks. Can you hunt the extended season with your Regular Tags?
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Old 07-06-2017, 10:31 AM   #27
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Ok Thanks. Can you hunt the extended season with your Regular Tags?
I dont know.

My guess would be that the extended season is only for the tags MLD tags.
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Old 07-06-2017, 10:34 AM   #28
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I dont know.

My guess would be that the extended season is only for the tags MLD tags.
Thats my guess as well.
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Old 07-06-2017, 11:06 AM   #29
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Our's says 5 does, 1 buck and 1 unbranched buck. I'll stick with what we currently use, which is our normal tags. We have to shoot way more than 5 does to help our neighbors keep the numbers down.
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Old 07-06-2017, 11:15 AM   #30
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I'm going to see what it says about our property today. We have been on lamps the last 5 years and were getting 8 doe tags on 563 acres. It worked well for us since we only have 3 hunters. Hopefully it will stay around the same.
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Old 07-06-2017, 11:37 AM   #31
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i just checked ours for fun, last year we were at 20 bucks and 30 does under MLD 3
the harvest estimator for junction put us at an estimated 38 bucks and 68 does...

i guess they want me to make up for all of the deer you guys cannot shoot

in all seriousness, this is based on deer densities for the area and in our case, we remedied that 8 years ago by getting under control.
we will stay on the conservation option and use our surveys to dictate the number of tags... there is no way on earth we could ever get to 68 does...

but, i do appreciate how easy the tool is to use... maybe they are moving in the right direction overall, even with a few initial hiccups.
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Old 07-06-2017, 12:19 PM   #32
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I just got off the phone with the lady at TPWD in Nac, and she said whatever tags are issued is ALL THE DEER YOU CAN KILL. No tags off your license can be used.

This program is gonna be a flop !
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Under the MLD Programs you could not use your regular tags. there won't be many chose Harvest Option.
I may be miss interpreting and miss understood our biologist. You have the option to get doe tags and or buck tags.

If you get just doe tags, all does harvested from property will have to use assigned tags. If buck tags are not selected, hunters will use their license tags.

I will call our biologist again.

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Old 07-06-2017, 12:28 PM   #34
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I just got off the phone with the lady at TPWD in Nac, and she said whatever tags are issued is ALL THE DEER YOU CAN KILL. No tags off your license can be used.

This program is gonna be a flop !
This isnt anything new. That the way MLD has always been. Look at the conservation option before you completely throw it out.
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I just did the estimator on my grand parents old place in Red River County...almost 600 acres and only 2 doe tags. We used to get at least 5 doe tags on lamps. We may have gotten more than that..it has been quite a few years since we had that place. But we wouldn't be signing up for that if we only got two doe tags for our entire 600 acres. We used to see so many deer there...there wasn't ever a shortage of them around our place. We weren't far from the red river though.
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Old 07-06-2017, 12:50 PM   #36
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1200 acres estimated 2 bucks 7 does. Two of my other places 0 tags
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Old 07-06-2017, 12:55 PM   #37
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I talked to our lamps rep and you can choose doe only under the harvest option and bucks still fall under general regulations. You would use your mldp tags for doe and your license for bucks. Same way it worked with lamps.
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Old 07-06-2017, 12:58 PM   #38
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I just checked my lease and it said 6 bucks and 13 does. This is on nearly 3000 acres with 22 members. Last year under LAMPS we had 33 doe tags.
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Old 07-06-2017, 01:40 PM   #39
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I may be miss interpreting and miss understood our biologist. You have the option to get doe tags and or buck tags.

If you get just doe tags, all does harvested from property will have to use assigned tags. If buck tags are not selected, hunters will use their license tags.

I will call our biologist again.

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I believe you are correct.
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I got
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Just finished putting in for the conservation MLD. Guess we will see if we get accepted.
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Can you use the MLD tags for the does along with the tags that you are given or can you only use/shoot the number of does that they estimate?
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Use only the tags given.
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Does registering and entering a property bind you in any way to the program, or can you set that up later? I'm almost through registering, but don't want to be tied to their harvest requirements if I don't like them.

With the estimator, for our 575 acres, it is 5 bucks (# of lease members conveniently) and 14 does. I think we could effectively take more deer than that, but I doubt we hit those numbers.
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So I guess that it's best for us to continue to use the tags we are given on our license and not go through the MLDP. Between myself, my two brothers and a couple of friends, we have plenty of tags to help reduce the population. On our property that's just under 400 acres in Menard County, we are going to have to shoot around 10 does and 4 bucks - 1 trophy and 3 culls. I hope and pray that our neighbors will help us in reducing the deer population.
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This isnt anything new. That the way MLD has always been. Look at the conservation option before you completely throw it out.
I was on MLDP III for several years, and gave it up two years ago, so I know the process. My biologist, a knowledgable guy, was replaced by a guy who knew less than I do and I was tired of voodoo game camera surveys and paperwork. We never used all of our tags anyway, because I didn't think we needed to kill three bucks and six does on a 217 acre property I have my own ideas about management and it doesn't include llistening to a biologist that doesn't know a cowpea from a cornstalk. Only two people hunt on this place and we usually only kill one buck and two does per year, so the tags we paid for will serve nicely.
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Are the arguments against the quantity of tags because you have too many hunters for the tags allowed ?

Some of the harvest recommendations I am seeing are in what are generally accepted numbers for some of the counties listed. Of course some properties may differ overall they don't look too off.

If you are on MLD you aren't supposed to be using regular license tags. If that's the case you don't need MLD.

I'm personally liking that the state may trim down on the number of folks on the program. It's way overused.
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I'm personally liking that the state may trim down on the number of folks on the program. It's way overused.
I agree with this. The ONLY reason that I was on it was to be able to kill a mature buck that doesn't meet AR and a few extra days to hunt. I usually was through by the middle of January anyway. You can only hunt so much, and now that I'm retired I can hunt every day that conditions are right, so no more need for MLD.
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Does registering and entering a property bind you in any way to the program, or can you set that up later? I'm almost through registering, but don't want to be tied to their harvest requirements if I don't like them.

With the estimator, for our 575 acres, it is 5 bucks (# of lease members conveniently) and 14 does. I think we could effectively take more deer than that, but I doubt we hit those numbers.
You are not bound to the program until you accept the tags.

Registered for conservation option today.
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