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Old 05-30-2017, 09:32 AM   #151
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These are the peas I planted on my Good Springs lease on April 25th, pictured in post #64. They are off and running !
Man those plots are taking off! Looking good
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Old 05-30-2017, 01:15 PM   #152
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When do you now clover (when does it bloom?)
It will bloom several times in spring and summer depending on growth ( moisture, fertilizer, temperatures). When it blooms, you'll know it. Wait until the seed heads ripen and clip the tops off. Never mow it when it's suffering through heat and don't mow it less than 6"/8" high. Eat to mow early morning or late afternoon IMO. Right before a rain if possible.
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Many thanks. I'm planting a few acres of clover for the first time this fall.
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Old 05-30-2017, 10:08 PM   #154
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Man those plots are taking off! Looking good
Thanks ! I hope my others do too.
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Many thanks. I'm planting a few acres of clover for the first time this fall.
You're welcome ! I was on my phone when posting my reply. It should have read " Best to mow it early morning........" Fat fingers and sweaty glasses !
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Man those plots look good. I'll try and swipe a picture of mine again. They are really going good now


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I started a new plot and this was my initial shredding.

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I trimmed all the trees up and cleared out some huisache and cut back a Prickly Ash(toothache tree).

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Sprayed 3 big cactus patches with Remedy Ultra and diesel mix, the vines wilted within a few hours.

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Old 05-31-2017, 07:46 AM   #158
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I have to wait about a month to shred again and scrap off the dead cactus patches. Soil samples sent off and hoping to create a clover field here. This plot is very secluded and the soil is sandy loam that drains well. Clover may not be the right legume here, I will need to bend a few ears and make a call or two.

This plot measures out 40' x 260' which is close to a 1/4 acre.
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Old 05-31-2017, 08:00 AM   #159
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The dawgs and I was wore out from clearing, cutting and cussing. We stayed in the travel trailer and sat under the awning, I drank a real cold Lonestar and they took a siesta. That is Bonnie and Clyde. Clyde the white dawg was hit from an owl yesterday, he in the hospital right now. Got about 20 stitches to sew is hide up.

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Dang Radar ! You need to camo Clyde, he's too good a target ! Hope he comes out all right.
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I have to wait about a month to shred again and scrap off the dead cactus patches. Soil samples sent off and hoping to create a clover field here. This plot is very secluded and the soil is sandy loam that drains well. Clover may not be the right legume here, I will need to bend a few ears and make a call or two.

This plot measures out 40' x 260' which is close to a 1/4 acre.
If clover doesn't work for you, Whitetail Institute has a product called Extreme for well drained soils. It works well in sandy soil and the deer like it. There are three different plants in it. I've grown it a couple years but had grass problems where I had it. I didn't take care of it as well as I should have, as I was working then, and I let the grass grow too long. Good news, bad news is: You can spray Cleth for the grasses, but as far as I know, you can't spray any kind of broadleaf weed killer on it, unlike clover. You can mow it high, like clover, and that will keep the weeds down somewhat. Good luck with that plot and let us know how it does.
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Old 05-31-2017, 02:43 PM   #162
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My wife let the dogs out of the house yesterday and he took after a squirrel. She said he was getting close to the squirrel and an owl flew down and hit him in the back and latched onto him. Knocked him about a foot up in the air and rolled him. Ripped his side open about 4 inches.
I am wondering if he thinks the squirrel put some judo on him
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If clover doesn't work for you, Whitetail Institute has a product called Extreme for well drained soils. It works well in sandy soil and the deer like it. There are three different plants in it. I've grown it a couple years but had grass problems where I had it. I didn't take care of it as well as I should have, as I was working then, and I let the grass grow too long. Good news, bad news is: You can spray Cleth for the grasses, but as far as I know, you can't spray any kind of broadleaf weed killer on it, unlike clover. You can mow it high, like clover, and that will keep the weeds down somewhat. Good luck with that plot and let us know how it does.
Is this stuff an Annual?
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Old 05-31-2017, 10:22 PM   #164
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Dang Radar ! You need to camo Clyde, he's too good a target ! Hope he comes out all right.
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Old Clyde's war wound, goes all they way down to his pee bug.

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Old 05-31-2017, 10:28 PM   #165
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Is this stuff an Annual?
No Sir. It's a perennial. My deer liked it as well as the clover, but I just didn't tend it as well as I should have. I may have another spot for it on another place I hunt. Gonna try clover there this fall, but I don't know how that's gonna work. It's pretty sandy. If the clover doesn't thrive, I'm going with Extreme.

I hate it about Clyde, but looks like you got him fixed up !
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Checked on my plots at my Mt. Enterprise property today. Please excuse the poor pics, my phone camera lens was dirty Peas are coming on now, well past the stage where the deer can demolish them. Poured out two inches of rain from my gauge.







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Old 06-04-2017, 08:29 PM   #169
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Tshelly have you planted Sunnhemp before? I have heard good and bad about it.
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Tshelly have you planted Sunnhemp before? I have heard good and bad about it.
What have you heard bad about it? Ive nothing but good results from it.

Great thread.
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Old 06-04-2017, 09:38 PM   #171
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QDMA has an article on it.

https://www.qdma.com/sunn-hemp-deer/
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I've been growing it the last 3 yrs. I love what it does for the soil. I can show you significant browsing both on young plants and on leaves when plants are 10' tall. It will continue to be part of my annual program.
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What have you heard bad about it? Ive nothing but good results from it.

Great thread.
I've wanted to try it also, but I have limited acreage for plots and I just can't make myself experiment too much. Iron clay peas are so easy to grow and nutritional that I can't seem to shake them. I've planted beans in the past and had good luck, but they are a little more expensive to plant. The RR beans are MUCH more expensive, but they did yield a good crop of beans to hunt over in the fall.
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I've been growing it the last 3 yrs. I love what it does for the soil. I can show you significant browsing both on young plants and on leaves when plants are 10' tall. It will continue to be part of my annual program.
Do you plant it by itself or in a blend? I thought that once it got tall it would get too tough for them to eat. Also what do you rotate it with?
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I have planted it both in mixes as well as in pure stands.AS stated Ive seen deer eating the leaves off a 10' plant and I have deer eating the tops out of 3 ' plants now.I have 3 acres planted in pure hemp now to improve very sandy soil. I use the blends with cow peas and the hemp acting as the trellis . Here is a pic from last year with hemp, sunflowers, cow peas and soy beans.

I don't use any RR products and will focus more on peas or beans depending on which is cheaper at the time. Both yield the results I am after though I usually include some ratio of both in a mix. Weeds are a forever issue in summer plots but I don't worry about them too much.
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Couple more comments on hemp. Like a lot of things it may take deer a bit to start including in diet. As mentioned I'm in my 3rd year. Here is a pic of grazing on a pure stand of hemp that is about 2-3' tall.
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Another great thing about hemp is how easy it is to grow. Quite drought tolerant , grows very fast, outcompetes most weeds and germinates quickly. Here is a pic I took this morning[ Monday ] of hemp that was planted Friday morning.

This is in an old vetch field that had become choked with too many of the bad weeds I hate so I nuked it last Wednesday then planted Friday. My goal is to clean the field up, let the hemp fix a bunch of nitrogen and add substantial OM , rye this fall then back to vetch next spring.
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elgato, thanks for your input on this thread. Your knowledge is obvious ! When you mix cowpeas or beans with sunn hemp, what are your ratios ? Remember, this is a po' boy operation, no drill. I have to broadcast until I find $8/10k laying on the ground !
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I'm going from memory but I think the ratios are 10 lbs/acre sunn hemp, 25 lbs/acre beans, 25 lbs/acre peas and 5 lbs acre sunflower. I do drill this so up a bit if broadcast.
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I'm going from memory but I think the ratios are 10 lbs/acre sunn hemp, 25 lbs/acre beans, 25 lbs/acre peas and 5 lbs acre sunflower. I do drill this so up a bit if broadcast.
I may try some in my peas next year in Trinity Co. That soil could use a little more organic matter.

Well, I had a sack of peas and 100 lb. of fertilizer left from my spring planting, so not wanting to hold it over, I planted it today behind the house. My son always plants wheat back here in the fall, but I thought peas would be a nice treat for my home grown deer. I very seldom hunt here, but I do bowhunt from time to time. First I had to dig some stumps out that were left from last years timber sale.
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I think five stumps, one live tree and a big dead one that I was pretty wary of. More than one has broken in the top and came down on my machine. Lucky for me, none have been big enough to break anything !
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I failed to take pictures of my planting rig, a yard fertilizer behind my zero-turn Hustler. I just didn't want to hassle with changing implements for that small plot. Dragged it with my Ranger and my tire drag. We'll see if it makes.........
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A few pics of my peas that were planted late April.
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That's awesome Don. You got it going on.
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Thanks Bobby, all it takes is a little time, $, a little work, $, and a few $$$$.
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Thanks Bobby, all it takes is a little time, $, a little work, $, and a few $$$$.
I went to check my feeder this morning in the back of the property. Pigs got mad at it and knocked it over. Battery and timer lying in water and mud. Timer is dead. Barrel is bent. Time to buy hog panels.
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We got peas, sunlfowers, mustang grapes and the deer are fat.

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I went to check my feeder this morning in the back of the property. Pigs got mad at it and knocked it over. Battery and timer lying in water and mud. Timer is dead. Barrel is bent. Time to buy hog panels.
Yessir, you can fool some of the hogs some of the time, or all of the hogs some of the time, but you can't fool all of the hogs all of the time ! (unless you stake that feeder down)


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We got peas, sunlfowers, mustang grapes and the deer are fat.
You are looking good Radar ! Do the hogs get into your sunflowers ?
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Thats the bad part. Had 3' mobile home anchors in the ground. Ground was wet and they were able to push it over. 2 of the anchors were still attached to the legs. Crazy
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They dont bother the sunflowers, till they seed out. But not as bad as corn.
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Thats the bad part. Had 3' mobile home anchors in the ground. Ground was wet and they were able to push it over. 2 of the anchors were still attached to the legs. Crazy
DAMMITBOY ! Ok, next solution, kill their sorry butts ! I had feeders out for two years at Mt Enterprise before they did that to me, then turned over two in the same week Since I started using T posts, it hasn't happened again, but I think the feed pen is the better solution. I use eight hog panels for mine, T post at every joint and one in the middle.


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They dont bother the sunflowers, till they seed out. But not as bad as corn.
I planted WINA Power Plant two years in a row that had sorghum and flowers. The hogs destroyed it the second year and I've not planted it back. I noticed this year that they took the sorghum out and substituted sunn hemp. Might be better now.
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These are snake apples and they just got ripe. Nothing much eats them, birds mostly. I seen them mangy longhorns eat them at times. You can tell when they eat them as they will run in the pasture kicking up their hooves and have green stuff on their butts(and it aint guacamole)

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These are snake apples and they just got ripe. Nothing much eats them, birds mostly. I seen them mangy longhorns eat them at times. You can tell when they eat them as they will run in the pasture kicking up their hooves and have green stuff on their butts(and it aint guacamole)

And I just now had a big, ripe avocado for lunch ! I'll never look at guacamole the same again
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