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I've got a Tikka t3 varmint 22-250. I want to rebarrel to 224 valkyrie. Will the bolt and magazine be a direct swap? Or will I need to replace them as well as the barrel?

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No. And why on earth would you want to do that
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Less wind drift. Heavier bullets. Supersonic at longer ranges.

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None of that is true
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Keep drinking the cool aid. You hot rod a .22-250 with heavies and it will smoke the .224 valk


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None of that is true
They've got 22-250 factory ammo heavier than 90 gr? 22-250 is faster at the muzzle but loses velocity quicker to the heavier longer bullet. So 224 valkyrie maintains velocity at longer ranges which is my intent. And a heavier bullet with better bc will have less wind drift. Didn't really start thread to discuss merits of 224, but for somebody like me who doesn't reload and wants to push a 22 cal bullet out to 600-1000 yards to ring steel I think it's a great option.

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Old 02-21-2018, 11:28 PM   #7
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Keep drinking the cool aid. You hot rod a .22-250 with heavies and it will smoke the .224 valk


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I dont reload and ive got the typical slow rate 22-250 twist that won't stabilize heavies anyway

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Not reloading is the issue, but there are custom ammo manufactures that will take care of that for you. Screw a 1:7 twist barrel on the action and chamber it in 22-250, 22 Creedmoor, 22-243, 22-250 AI or several others and it will smoke the Valk.

Sometimes I shoot 90gr Berger VLD Target bullets in a Remington 700 chambered in 22-243 with a 27 inch Hart barrel. With that twist it finally starts to shoot at 3200fps. Try that with a Valk.
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Not reloading is the issue, but there are custom ammo manufactures that will take care of that for you. Screw a 1:7 twist barrel on the action and chamber it in 22-250, 22 Creedmoor, 22-243, 22-250 AI or several others and it will smoke the Valk.

Sometimes I shoot 90gr Berger VLD Target bullets in a Remington 700 chambered in 22-243 with a 27 inch Hart barrel. With that twist it finally starts to shoot at 3200fps. Try that with a Valk.
There are trade offs with every round. Whats the barrel life of a 22-243 pushing 90s at 3200fps? I know I'm limiting myself by sticking to factory ammo. I may look at some custom ammo manufacturers. Got any in mind? Only one I know of is Dallas reloads.

I'll pose this question. If you are going to strictly run factory ammo. I want a 22 inch barrel (suppressed) with a 22 cal bullet no less than 90 gr. Want to be able to be stable out to 1000 yards. What cartridge would you choose?

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The Valkyrie is a .223 bolt face. You have a standard .308 bolt face. Nothing will be interchangeable.
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The allure to the 224V is that it gets close to a 22-250 but in an AR15 platform instead of an AR10. You can blow its doors off in a bolt action.
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22-250 A.I. is a monster. You can probably even ream the chamber to a 22-243 or a 22 creedmoor if something crazy interests you. All of these choices are crazy good.
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The allure to the 224V is that it gets close to a 22-250 but in an AR15 platform instead of an AR10. You can blow its doors off in a bolt action.
This is it. Why go to .22-250 light from .22-250?
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Matt nailed it.

I'm running a 22-250AI at 3100 with an 80 grain and a short 22 inch barrel.

If you're going to re-barrel to run heavies that would be my suggestion.

I think you're asking a lot to believe that factory ammo even from a custom barrel is going to hold up at 1k. There's a lot fine tuning that can be done to produce a quality reload that is capable of consistently hitting at such range.
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It makes zero sense to own a plinking/range rifle chambered in a uncommon cartridge that you donít reload for. You wonít end up shooting it more than a few times a year. Either get into reloading or stick to easily found factory ammo.

Hornady loads a ton of .223 rounds with their 75 gr match bullet. At 0í elevation and 60 degrees, it is doing 1075 fps at 1000 yards, so itís basically going subsonic at the target. With any elevation it should hold more speed.

Keep in mind that a .223 at 1000 yards will give you almost no feedback. You arenít likely to see it kick up dust or hear it hit steel at that range.

Buying a .223 with an 1 in 8Ē twist barrel is an easy option, either keep your rifle also or sell it. I wouldnít rebarrel it to .223 though.

If youíre dead set on rebarreling, go with either 6mm or 6.5mm Creedmoor. Both easily stay supersonic past 1,000 yards, have a ton of factory ammo options, and just require a barrel swap. Now cue the haters.
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Matt nailed it.

I'm running a 22-250AI at 3100 with an 80 grain and a short 22 inch barrel.

If you're going to re-barrel to run heavies that would be my suggestion.

I think you're asking a lot to believe that factory ammo even from a custom barrel is going to hold up at 1k. There's a lot fine tuning that can be done to produce a quality reload that is capable of consistently hitting at such range.
I guess I may be drinking the kool-aid, but the articles that I've been reading have been saying that the 90 gr 224 valk. is still supersonic at 1300 yards out of a 24 inch barrel.

this is typical of what I've been reading...

"Does bullet weight really make a difference though, if it's moving 4,000 fps? According to the math, yes it does. .22-250 will shoot much faster and flatter within short-to-medium-range distances, but as distances increase, the bullets slow down quickly and go subsonic long before the 1,000-yard mark. By contrast, the 90-grain SMK moving much slower out of the muzzle will remain supersonic past 1,300 yards. The difference in wind drift is even more stark. The 90-grain Sierra Match King bullet drifts noticeably less than the light and fast 22-250 projectiles.

Does this mean that the 22-250 is now outmoded? Not even close. Varminters depend upon its flat trajectory and inherent accuracy. It's a handloader's dream cartridge, and the factory ammunition out there works well, too. If, however, you want a semiauto platform or you want to shoot longer distances, .224 Valkyrie looks like it will be the logical choice."

truth? or marketing?
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I guess I may be drinking the kool-aid, but the articles that I've been reading have been saying that the 90 gr 224 valk. is still supersonic at 1300 yards out of a 24 inch barrel.

this is typical of what I've been reading...

"Does bullet weight really make a difference though, if it's moving 4,000 fps? According to the math, yes it does. .22-250 will shoot much faster and flatter within short-to-medium-range distances, but as distances increase, the bullets slow down quickly and go subsonic long before the 1,000-yard mark. By contrast, the 90-grain SMK moving much slower out of the muzzle will remain supersonic past 1,300 yards. The difference in wind drift is even more stark. The 90-grain Sierra Match King bullet drifts noticeably less than the light and fast 22-250 projectiles.

Does this mean that the 22-250 is now outmoded? Not even close. Varminters depend upon its flat trajectory and inherent accuracy. It's a handloader's dream cartridge, and the factory ammunition out there works well, too. If, however, you want a semiauto platform or you want to shoot longer distances, .224 Valkyrie looks like it will be the logical choice."

truth? or marketing?
Both.

High weight, High BC bullets are the key and the Valk will do well.

But you are shooting a .308 based platform (not limited like the AR-15 that the Valk was designed for). So if you are rebarreling you can rebarrel into another .22-250 with a faster twist like the VALK.

What you end up with is a .22-250 that can shoot the 90gr SMK at higher Velocities than the Valk ever dreamed about. This will make the Valk run and hide.

But if you are not reloading you will never get either cartridge to do what you are asking it to do........period.

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If youíre dead set on rebarreling, go with either 6mm or 6.5mm Creedmoor. Both easily stay supersonic past 1,000 yards, have a ton of factory ammo options, and just require a barrel swap. Now cue the haters.
I've got a 6.5 cm rifle that I shoot quite frequently. I'm really just wanting a 22 cal bullet just to have something different.

Reason I'm wanting to rebarrel is I've already got an action/trigger/stock that I really like.

Heres my criteria again tell me if I'm overlooking something:
1) 22 cal bullet at least 90 gr
2) stable to at least 1000 yards
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I've got a 6.5 cm rifle that I shoot quite frequently. I'm really just wanting a 22 cal bullet just to have something different.

Reason I'm wanting to rebarrel is I've already got an action/trigger/stock that I really like.

Heres my criteria again tell me if I'm overlooking something:
1) 22 cal bullet at least 90 gr
2) stable to at least 1000 yards
3) factory ammo
4) 22 inch barrel
Factory ammo and accuracy to 1000yds in your rifle usually are not compatible.
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Both.

High weight, High BC bullets are the key and the Valk will do well.

But you are shooting a .308 based platform (not limited like the AR-15 that the Valk was designed for). So if you are rebarreling you can rebarrel into another .22-250 with a faster twist like the VALK.

What you end up with is a .22-250 that can shoot the 90gr SMK at higher Velocities than the Valk ever dreamed about. This will make the Valk run and hide.
So, rebarreling to a 22-250 with a what 1:8 or 1:7 would fit the bill. but I'd just have to find a place to buy ammo. Also, how hard would that higher velocity be on the barrel (ball park)?
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Factory ammo and accuracy to 1000yds in your rifle usually are not compatible.
well, my accuracy definition may be a bit loose. Lets just say I'd like to be able to hit a 12x20 steel silhouette at 1000 yards. I've got a couple factory rifle/ factory loads that can do that.
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So, rebarreling to a 22-250 with a what 1:8 or 1:7 would fit the bill. but I'd just have to find a place to buy ammo. Also, how hard would that higher velocity be on the barrel (ball park)?
90gr wants a 1:6 twist.

How hard? Too many variables to suggest. My bet is only slightly more than the Valk and probably just a little more than a regular .22-250.

.22-250 will be about 2900-3000fps
.224 Valk is about 2600-2700 fps.
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well, my accuracy definition may be a bit loose. Lets just say I'd like to be able to hit a 12x20 steel silhouette at 1000 yards. I've got a couple factory rifle/ factory loads that can do that.
I know a place that will make ammunition to your specs. If you develop a load they will load it. Call it "Factory Custom" per se.
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thanks to everyone for the replies. I'll be back once i make a decision to post the mandatory "new rifle" pics!
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The Valkyrie is a .223 bolt face. You have a standard .308 bolt face. Nothing will be interchangeable.


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I've got a 6.5 cm rifle that I shoot quite frequently. I'm really just wanting a 22 cal bullet just to have something different.

Reason I'm wanting to rebarrel is I've already got an action/trigger/stock that I really like.

Heres my criteria again tell me if I'm overlooking something:
1) 22 cal bullet at least 90 gr
2) stable to at least 1000 yards
3) factory ammo
4) 22 inch barrel
Your overlooking that options 1, 3, and 4 don't match option 2. I don't understand why you would want to hamper yourself unless you want a challenge. If it's a challenge you want, try busting clays at 300+ with a 22LR.
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if i only had the criteria of
1)22 cal bullet at least 90 gr
2)factory ammo

are there any options other than 224 valk?
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No, and no to your original question about the bolt face being the same.

What is your plan when none of the few factory valkyrie loads agree with your gun?
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What is your plan when none of the few factory valkyrie loads agree with your gun?
Take it back to the gunsmith that gives a guarantee. And, i suspect there will be more manufacturers that start offering factory loads for it.
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I can’t see why one would want to bang steel at 1000yds with a .224 round. You won’t ever get the consistency needed.
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Take it back to the gunsmith that gives a guarantee. And, i suspect there will be more manufacturers that start offering factory loads for it.

That's spending a lot of money for something that may or may not happen.
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That's spending a lot of money for something that may or may not happen.
isnt that the case with any rebarrel or custom gun?

gunsmith isnt going to give me a gun that wont shoot.
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I canít see why one would want to bang steel at 1000yds with a .224 round. You wonít ever get the consistency needed.
how is a 22 cal 90 gr bullet with a good BC and decent velocity not consistent?

which factors determine a rounds consistency?
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Going the 22 creedmoor route. Talked to my gunsmith and it just seems like a great round. And, he provides loaded ammo so that solves my factory ammo problem.

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That sounds like a good option. That's a lot of horse power but it's also in a very productive cartridge.

Who's doing the work for you?
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I think you should do it. At the end of the day you can say it was a great experience or it wasn’t but you learned something. Either way you should post it on here with your results.
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22-250 A.I. is a monster. You can probably even ream the chamber to a 22-243 or a 22 creedmoor if something crazy interests you. All of these choices are crazy good.
Iíve always wanted a 22-250 and as I learn more about the AI family Iím really liking those cal. I donít know a lot about the 22-243 but, thatís an interesting cal too.
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That sounds like a good option. That's a lot of horse power but it's also in a very productive cartridge.

Who's doing the work for you?
Horizon firearms in college station.

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[QUOTE=texasnavy05;13205355]Going the 22 creedmoor route. Talked to my gunsmith and it just seems like a great round. And, he provides loaded ammo so that solves my factory ammo problem.

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Is Horizon Firearms doing the work? I know he provides 22 creedmoor ammo. Iím planning on having him build me a 22 creed.
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Never mind you just answered my question.
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got my rifle back today. 22 creedmoor rebarrel. tikka t3 action in a manners stock.

looks great. group was .46moa at 100 yards. can't wait to shoot it.

nothing but good things to say about horizon firearms!



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Sweet rifle man. My next rifle will be chambered in .22 Creedmoor.
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I canít see why one would want to bang steel at 1000yds with a .224 round. You wonít ever get the consistency needed.
My old 223AI slinging 80 grain amax did 1k allll day easily. 2950 FPS. A buddy of mine took his to 1500 yards. Youíd be surprised what a well built 223 will do at distance with good ammo.


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That is a fine looking rifle.

Does anyone make factory 22-creed ammo or are you going with custom loaded ammo?

Look up Roberts rant on 100 yard groups not telling the entire story about shooting long range.

If you reload or are having custom ammo being made you should do a 10 shot ladder test at 300 or longer. It will dial in your charge weight for a very forgiving load.

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That is a fine looking rifle.

Does anyone make factory 22-creed ammo or are you going with custom loaded ammo?

Look up Roberts rant on 100 yard groups not telling the entire story about shooting long range.

If you reload or are having custom ammo being made you should do a 10 shot ladder test at 300 or longer. It will dial in your charge weight for a very forgiving load.

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Old 03-31-2018, 09:56 AM   #47
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If it were me, I'd load 20 rounds at a known safe load at .010 off the lands to dial in at 100 and verify dope to 300. Then have 20 rounds loaded to do 2 each 10 shot ladders at 300-500 yards using a chronograph to verify results. This will quickly dial in your charge weight. From their you can adjust for seating depth if necessary.


If you're serious about going long this is an excellent way to dial in a load which will be very forgiving to minor variations in temperature or charge weigjt.

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Interested in how the 22 Creed works for you. If you ever start reloading, Alpha makes 22 Creedmoor brass. I have a 6 Creed slinging 110’s at 3150. I bet a 22 cal 90grainer will top 3400.
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Old 03-31-2018, 03:42 PM   #49
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My old 223AI slinging 80 grain amax did 1k allll day easily. 2950 FPS. A buddy of mine took his to 1500 yards. Youíd be surprised what a well built 223 will do at distance with good ammo.


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It is amazing what 26ish grains of powder behind a 75/80gr Amax will do in a 223AI. Simply a great little round in a fast twisted bbl.
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It is amazing what 26ish grains of powder behind a 75/80gr Amax will do in a 223AI. Simply a great little round in a fast twisted bbl.
Absolutely. I was pleasantly surprised.
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