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Old 01-16-2019, 10:32 AM   #1
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Default Shooting at a Running Deer/Animal - Ethical or Not?

Ethical or not? Had this discussion this past weekend with some friends. Does it matter if it is a doe? Trophy Buck? Exotic deer? What about a hog or coyote? Does it matter if you practice taking moving shots or not? At what distance would it be ethical (if at all) and at what distance would it be unethical? Does it matter if it is walking versus a full sprint? Does it matter if you are using a bow or rifle? Free hand vs. using a rest?

Interested to hear the green screen's opinion.

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Old 01-16-2019, 10:34 AM   #2
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It all depends on who is shooting and their ethics.
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Old 01-16-2019, 10:39 AM   #3
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Gunna be lots of moral relativism with this one, which is funny coming from right wingers that typically attack leftists for the same thing.
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Old 01-16-2019, 10:40 AM   #4
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Used to do it all the time when we could still run dogs. It’s not like you’re going to lose one with the dogs behind it...

Wouldn’t do it with a bow. Would do it with a rifle if I felt pretty sure I could hit it good. You miss every shot you don’t take, and big bucks don’t tend to stand around in fields to be shot where I live.
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Old 01-16-2019, 10:43 AM   #5
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The correct answer is: It depends!

Type of animal, speed it is walking/running, terrain and openess. If you have participated in an Iowa deer drive you will know what running deer are!! Normal rifle hunting they are normally farther away, and you are generally able to get a shot when they stand still, feed, or pause when running away.
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Old 01-16-2019, 10:44 AM   #6
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Gunna be lots of moral relativism with this one, which is funny coming from right wingers that typically attack leftists for the same thing.
Thereís a politics section if you would care to express further disdain.
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Old 01-16-2019, 10:44 AM   #7
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Personally I like to run along side the animal at the same speed. Better shot that way.
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Old 01-16-2019, 10:47 AM   #8
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Pretty soon hunters will be questioning if it is ethical to use a gun or new bows.

Hunters just need worry about themselves and quit judging what other hunters do.
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Old 01-16-2019, 10:48 AM   #9
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Personally I like to run along side the animal at the same speed. Better shot that way.
You must work out a lot if you can carry a gun while running as fast as a deer.
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Old 01-16-2019, 10:50 AM   #10
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If I do not want to chance wounding the animal (Deer), I will not take a running shot. If I don't care if I wound the animal (Probably not a very ethical statement), I will take a running shot (Hogs, coyotes, etc). If I squeeze the trigger on a running animal, I am assuming that the kill will not be quick and humane, even though that may end up being the case.
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Old 01-16-2019, 10:51 AM   #11
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Old 01-16-2019, 10:52 AM   #12
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It all comes down to whether the ends justify the means. I’ve known hunters that would shoot a deer in the hams if it was the only target the animal presented.
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Old 01-16-2019, 10:52 AM   #13
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Depends on person shooting and situation. I’ve done it several times. Killed my elk this past year on the run, 2 shots in the lungs.

Ethical? Some would say yes some would say no. I was perfectly okay with it because I know my abilities and it was in my comfort zone for the shot.
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Old 01-16-2019, 10:56 AM   #14
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Walking slowly like around a feeder, sure why not. Full on sprint? No way I would shoot, I don't think that is ethical because the chance you are going to make a kill shot on that animal is pretty slim unless you are an excellent shot and have practiced moving targets before. This is my view on game animals. I do believe it depends on the person's skillset and comfort level to make an ethical shot on a running deer. I am not mad enough at any deer to risk wounding and not recovering. Hogs are getting shot at no matter what they are doing

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Old 01-16-2019, 10:58 AM   #15
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IMO whether it is a doe, small buck, big buck, etc is moot. Either it's ethical or not, and the ethics depend on likelihood of success. I'd liken it to shooting at high geese. For most, anything past 40 yds or so is too high and when they take that shot it's "spray and pray" and I'd say unethical. I've also hunted with guys who could go 4 for 5 on 55 yd geese, completely ethical. I've always felt confident taking running shots and will continue to do so when I'm comfortable with the shot. Ironically, the only deer I've ever completely wiffed on was standing broadside at 150 yards.
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Old 01-16-2019, 11:05 AM   #16
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Does this survey include feral hogs?

Hard to beat a 30rnd mag hellfiring at a group of them bastages..........so I hear

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Old 01-16-2019, 11:13 AM   #17
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Depends on a lot of factors, speed of the animal, distance and the skill of the shooter.
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Old 01-16-2019, 11:14 AM   #18
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Old 01-16-2019, 11:18 AM   #19
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Coyote or pig, I will shoot every time. Usually if I wound one, it is dispatched within a few minutes when I get to it. Deer and other game, I choose to let it run. I would hate to wound it and make a mess of the meat while going for the kill.
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Old 01-16-2019, 11:27 AM   #20
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I shot them running all the time with 00 buck in Virginia on the Navy base! Like shooting rabbits. Don't have to lead them much. Lol
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Old 01-16-2019, 11:40 AM   #21
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In Texas with rifle at hogs and yotes yes! Not me for deer
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Old 01-16-2019, 11:46 AM   #22
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Deer at a slow trot, say chasing a doe with a steady rest I've done it easily and clean ethical kills. I wouldn't chance it moving at a run or without a steady rest. JMO
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Old 01-16-2019, 12:03 PM   #23
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Getting a few bites trolling. Might try casting a little.
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Old 01-16-2019, 12:05 PM   #24
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If you kill it, it's ethical....


If you miss it, it's ethical...,


If you wound it, not ethical...


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Old 01-16-2019, 12:13 PM   #25
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Point the spotlight at their eyes, usually they will stop.
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Old 01-16-2019, 12:13 PM   #26
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Ethical IMO has to do with shot placement and quick, clean kills. That's it. You can make an unethical shot at 15 yards or an ethical one at 500 yards.
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Old 01-16-2019, 12:13 PM   #27
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The Indians chased down buffalo on horseback and shot them with arrows...This was out of necessity, but if they could do it riding a horse with a stick and string, your experienced hunter with modern equipment should be able do the same.
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Old 01-16-2019, 12:15 PM   #28
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I shot my Aoudad last week running at 75 yards. Drilled him right in the pump house.
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Old 01-16-2019, 12:30 PM   #30
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Lots of states push deer to posters and most of their shots are on moving targets. I hunted this way for over 10 years when I lived up north. Lots would buckle and crash after being hit but some would still run. Never lost a deer I wounded. This isn't to say that I hit it and didn't know that I did and it ran off like nothing was wrong with no blood trail at all.
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Old 01-16-2019, 12:32 PM   #31
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I wouldn't shoot at an unwounded running deer anymore. I have a couple times in my youth, and once it didn't turn out well. I strive to kill everything I shoot with one shot, but I will shoot a hog or coyote anywhere, at any time, running or not.
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Old 01-16-2019, 12:42 PM   #32
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Is it ethical to shoot a pig in the gut and let it run off?
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Old 01-16-2019, 12:46 PM   #33
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I wouldn't shoot at an unwounded running deer anymore. I have a couple times in my youth, and once it didn't turn out well. I strive to kill everything I shoot with one shot, but I will shoot a hog or coyote anywhere, at any time, running or not.
So ethical is just if you want the animal or not after it's dead? Just curious really.....
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Is it ethical to shoot a pig in the gut and let it run off?
Is it ethical to purposely gut shoot deer?
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Old 01-16-2019, 12:47 PM   #35
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It is only ethical if you give them a running chance.
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Old 01-16-2019, 12:51 PM   #36
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Getting a few bites trolling. Might try casting a little.
Spray it with some scent, or put a nibble on a hook point.
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Old 01-16-2019, 12:53 PM   #38
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Does this survey include feral hogs?

Hard to beat a 30rnd mag hellfiring at a group of them bastages..........so I hear
Unethical if you have a round left in the mag when done. Well unless spray firing and hitting one of my cows.

Easiest shot on a running hog is the Texas Heart Shot!
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Is it ethical to put a spinning rod on a 5 gallon bucket with water in it and put a dab of peanut butter in middle of rod. Not sure but killed 14 barn mice in a night doing this. Ethics are for each person to decide. Some would say I’m unethical because the mice drown to their death
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Is it ethical to put a spinning rod on a 5 gallon bucket with water in it and put a dab of peanut butter in middle of rod. Not sure but killed 14 barn mice in a night doing this. Ethics are for each person to decide. Some would say Iím unethical because the mice drown to their death


Buckets huh?
I'm about sick and tired of buckets
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Gotta be in the cool group to get buckets Saggy
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Each situation is different and each hunter is different, particularly their ethics and skills (or lack of). There are guys here that probably can't hit the side of a barn even if they're inside it; and other guys who can shoot birds out of the air with a bow. Everybody is going to different; which can make for some entertaining posts like the guy who said he aims at the femoral artery when bowhunting.

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Gunna be lots of moral relativism with this one, which is funny coming from right wingers that typically attack leftists for the same thing.
Weren't you already kicked off TBH, JMalin? Twice?

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Ethics in hunting is 100000000000% different than in the regular human existence.
Shooting running stuff......what difference does it make.
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Depends on who's shootin.
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Gunna be lots of moral relativism with this one, which is funny coming from right wingers that typically attack leftists for the same thing.
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It all comes down to whether the ends justify the means. Iíve known hunters that would shoot a deer in the hams if it was the only target the animal presented.
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Is it ethical to purposely gut shoot deer?
Good grief man, since you have joined this forum have you EVER posted anything that adds to any discussion or anything that has NOT been some sort of troll or smart arse remark?

I don't have many people on my ignore list, but I see absolutely no value in reading anything you may post... Your screen name is pretty appropriate as your ignorance is amplified with each of your posts.
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So ethical is just if you want the animal or not after it's dead? Just curious really.....
Ethics has been defined as what you do when nobody's looking. Where hogs or coyotes are concerned, I don't care if you're looking or not. I aim to kill as many hogs or coyotes as I can, every time I can. Do you think the coyote or hog has any ethics ? The coyotes kill the fawns, and the hogs root the hell out of my place, but you may not understand that if all you own is a yard in town. If you're a landowner in East Texas, and trying to raise food plots, cut hay, or just drive from point A to point B without falling in hog craters, you probably will.
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Old 01-16-2019, 02:52 PM   #49
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I've done it, but its not my preferred way of killing an animal. I read an article once in Outdoor Life or Sports Afield, can't remember about shooting running game. Basically it said, depending on the range, put the vertical crosshair on their nose and the horizontal crosshair in the body midline and fire away. that's the Reader's Digest version. I've used it on running coyotes in west Texas and it worked. I've only used it on two deer and it worked. The max distance was probably 300 yards.
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It all depends on who is shooting and their ethics.
This. No many realize that it is patience and experience that will make you a good shot at running game.
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