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Old 05-27-2017, 01:20 PM   #201
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You need Nitric Oxide (NO) and Carbon Monoxide (CO) to react with the myoglobin in the meat to form a smoke ring. Only two ways to do that: hot wood/charcoal fire or to chemically treat the meat. I tried several times with an electric smoker to get a ring to form but it doesnt get the wood chips hot enough to produce sufficient quantities of NO and CO. Heres a great website for reference on smoke rings...

http://amazingribs.com/tips_and_tech...moke_ring.html

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Thanks, that article is very interesting and informative

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Old 07-12-2017, 12:42 PM   #202
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I cooked my first brisket this weekend. Smoker is just some air compressor tanks. Use it quite often for ribs, chicken and the like. I think it works well. On to the brisket. I had a regular 1.96/lb from HEB untrimmed 9.?? pounds. I think I overcooked it and it was partially dry. Taste was quite good as well as smoke ring. I froze it for a couple of weeks (is that really bad? ) and defrosted in fridge. Trimmed very little, fat was thin. Rubbed in mustard and Stubbs Beef as well as coarse black pepper and let it sit overnight covered in fridge. Started at 6am using a mix of pecan and hickory, all I have at the time. Attempted to keep 225-250 but had some 25* swings. Let it smoke for 3 hours then just rotated sides. Put in gauge at 5 hours, temp was 140ish. At a little over 6 hours, temp was 160ish so I wrapped it in foil then. Rotated it back to original position. Fat side up the entire time. At the 6 hour mark I probed in a couple spots and I thought the probe went in fairly easy but maybe not done easy. I just watched the temp for another 3 hours. Got to 175-185 in a couple spots and was very easy to get gauge in. This was 9 hours now. It felt done and looked done. I pulled it and let sit in cooler for 2 hours. There was a good amount of juice in the foil, I did flip the brisket over in the cooler during the setting time. I'm glad I didn't take it to 195 or 200! I need to make my wood chunks smaller, that will help with temp reg. Otherwise, any obvious flaws?
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Old 07-12-2017, 01:08 PM   #203
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Old 07-12-2017, 01:24 PM   #204
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I cooked my first brisket this weekend. Smoker is just some air compressor tanks. Use it quite often for ribs, chicken and the like. I think it works well. On to the brisket. I had a regular 1.96/lb from HEB untrimmed 9.?? pounds. I think I overcooked it and it was partially dry. Taste was quite good as well as smoke ring. I froze it for a couple of weeks (is that really bad? ) and defrosted in fridge. Trimmed very little, fat was thin. Rubbed in mustard and Stubbs Beef as well as coarse black pepper and let it sit overnight covered in fridge. Started at 6am using a mix of pecan and hickory, all I have at the time. Attempted to keep 225-250 but had some 25* swings. Let it smoke for 3 hours then just rotated sides. Put in gauge at 5 hours, temp was 140ish. At a little over 6 hours, temp was 160ish so I wrapped it in foil then. Rotated it back to original position. Fat side up the entire time. At the 6 hour mark I probed in a couple spots and I thought the probe went in fairly easy but maybe not done easy. I just watched the temp for another 3 hours. Got to 175-185 in a couple spots and was very easy to get gauge in. This was 9 hours now. It felt done and looked done. I pulled it and let sit in cooler for 2 hours. There was a good amount of juice in the foil, I did flip the brisket over in the cooler during the setting time. I'm glad I didn't take it to 195 or 200! I need to make my wood chunks smaller, that will help with temp reg. Otherwise, any obvious flaws?
I'm not a pro, and maybe some of those guys will chime in and either agree or correct me, but I don't even think about pulling it until IT hits 195. That's when I start probing for it to feel like warm butter. Sometimes it's ready at 195, others it has to go all the way to 200 or a little higher. The way I understand it is that yes, it's technically fully cooked at 165, but won't start getting juicy until almost 200 due to tissue and fat beginning to melt (render).

You may also have done something to it by rubbing and letting that sit overnight. With a chunck of meat that big, any salt may have just pulled moisture out and not had time to let it get back in. I've frozen briskets and never had a problem.
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Old 07-12-2017, 01:57 PM   #205
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I normally go fat side down, hehehe. This protects the meat from direct heat and I've never noticed the fat rendering into the meat, just dropping off. Mine have been better since I went to fat side down.
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Old 07-12-2017, 02:55 PM   #206
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Thanks for the work you put into this. Good info. Can't wait to try it this way.
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Old 07-13-2017, 06:02 AM   #207
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I cooked my first brisket this weekend. Smoker is just some air compressor tanks. Use it quite often for ribs, chicken and the like. I think it works well. On to the brisket. I had a regular 1.96/lb from HEB untrimmed 9.?? pounds. I think I overcooked it and it was partially dry. Taste was quite good as well as smoke ring. I froze it for a couple of weeks (is that really bad? ) and defrosted in fridge. Trimmed very little, fat was thin. Rubbed in mustard and Stubbs Beef as well as coarse black pepper and let it sit overnight covered in fridge. Started at 6am using a mix of pecan and hickory, all I have at the time. Attempted to keep 225-250 but had some 25* swings. Let it smoke for 3 hours then just rotated sides. Put in gauge at 5 hours, temp was 140ish. At a little over 6 hours, temp was 160ish so I wrapped it in foil then. Rotated it back to original position. Fat side up the entire time. At the 6 hour mark I probed in a couple spots and I thought the probe went in fairly easy but maybe not done easy. I just watched the temp for another 3 hours. Got to 175-185 in a couple spots and was very easy to get gauge in. This was 9 hours now. It felt done and looked done. I pulled it and let sit in cooler for 2 hours. There was a good amount of juice in the foil, I did flip the brisket over in the cooler during the setting time. I'm glad I didn't take it to 195 or 200! I need to make my wood chunks smaller, that will help with temp reg. Otherwise, any obvious flaws?
I couldn't imagine a brisket being tender at 175-185 unless it was cooked for 20+ hours. It was likely dry because the fat hadn't even rendered out yet. When I say pull it when it "probes like butter" I mean there should be ZERO resistance. Since I did this write up, I have now moved to hot and fast style cooking for brisket. I cook at about 300 degrees and my briskets normally probe tender around 210 degrees IT. Also, next time just put that sucker on the pit and leave it alone. There is no need to keep moving it around, especially when you're cooking at low temperatures. Hope this helps!
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Old 07-13-2017, 07:24 AM   #208
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I will try it again and bring it up to temp. Thanks.
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Old 07-13-2017, 02:14 PM   #209
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Another brisket grade higher than prime

At HEB

Kobe American Beef brisket


Nice marbling but look at the cost!


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Old 07-13-2017, 02:57 PM   #210
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Thank you for that!
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Old 07-20-2017, 08:16 AM   #211
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Looks great! have you read any into Aaron Franklin's method? I've been having success using it but I might try waiting till probe tender no matter the temp as he recommends pulling at 203 degrees to let rest
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Old 07-20-2017, 08:25 AM   #212
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Looks great! have you read any into Aaron Franklin's method? I've been having success using it but I might try waiting till probe tender no matter the temp as he recommends pulling at 203 degrees to let rest
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Old 07-20-2017, 08:55 AM   #213
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It's my understanding that since you are cooking in a UDS and most likely using lump coal or briquettes, there isn't enough nitrates in the smoke to cause a smoke ring....if you add wood chunks it will help, but probably not much, unless you use a lot of wood chunks. That is why off set smokers, that solely use wood, have better smoke rings.

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Learned this exact thing on my last brisket with my Smoky Mountain. I used mainly charcoal with wood mixed in. Didn't get a good smoke ring or very good (IMO) smoke flavor even though the meat cooked perfectly. Doing another brisket this weekend and will make the adjustment back to using charcoal as a slow burning heat stabilizer with wood as the primary fuel.
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Old 07-20-2017, 09:42 AM   #214
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Bought a Offset smoker couple months ago and got my moneys worth of pork through it. Guess its about time to make a brisket
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Old 07-23-2017, 09:04 AM   #215
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I couldn't imagine a brisket being tender at 175-185 unless it was cooked for 20+ hours. It was likely dry because the fat hadn't even rendered out yet. When I say pull it when it "probes like butter" I mean there should be ZERO resistance. Since I did this write up, I have now moved to hot and fast style cooking for brisket. I cook at about 300 degrees and my briskets normally probe tender around 210 degrees IT. Also, next time just put that sucker on the pit and leave it alone. There is no need to keep moving it around, especially when you're cooking at low temperatures. Hope this helps!

About how long per pound is it taking cooking at 300? I have a brisket in the fridge I need to cook. Do you still put it in a foil pan?

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Old 07-24-2017, 06:20 AM   #216
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About how long per pound is it taking cooking at 300? I have a brisket in the fridge I need to cook. Do you still put it in a foil pan?
12-13lbs brisket trimmed down to about 11lbs - ish takes about 6-7 hours from start to finish.
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Old 07-25-2017, 07:38 PM   #217
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It cooked a lot quicker than I expected. Put in foil pan at 180, but it made it to 210 before I pulled it. Some if it was ok, some overcooked. It was only 11 1/2lb pre trim to begin with. Kept temps at 300 or a little below the whole time.

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Old 08-14-2017, 07:22 PM   #218
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Old 08-14-2017, 09:48 PM   #219
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Old 08-22-2017, 10:32 AM   #220
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Looks good!
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Old 08-22-2017, 02:47 PM   #221
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Another brisket grade higher than prime

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Kobe American Beef brisket


Nice marbling but look at the cost!


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Lol, American Kobe Beef. That's literally impossible. That would be like "American Made Scotch." Shame on HEB lol.

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