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Old 12-21-2017, 04:34 PM   #51
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1. HUNTING PROVISIONS VIOLATION 62.013(b) PWC Misdemeanor A 10/07/2017

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12/11/2017 Complaint and Information (OCA)
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01/22/2018 Arraignment hearing (2:00 PM) (Judicial Officer Waddill, Coby)
Reading between the lines here, this case isn't the slam-dunk "he admitted it and plead out" that many have been saying around here. Looks like he's trying to fight it, at least right now.

Court on January 22? Hmmmm.
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Old 12-21-2017, 04:37 PM   #52
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Old 12-21-2017, 04:38 PM   #53
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I'm not a fan of how the state is valuing free range deer. I believe the fine for poaching a deer should be the same whether it's a doe or a 300" buck.
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Sentence not hard enough. Take guns and huntin privileges away for life plus jail and restitution.
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Do they allow you to buy a hunting license in Texas without Hunter Education once you are not considered youth?

I know you can buy a temporary hunter ed pass if you are hunting with a hunter ed card holding adult, but wasn't sure if you could just buy that every year or if they only allow it like once.

I could have sworn I heard that Drinnon didn't even have a Texas hunting license so not allowing him to buy one isn't going to change anything for him. He did have an Oklahoma license which was used on the buck.

I actually know that buck quite well. Shame that he went that way.
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Old 12-21-2017, 04:41 PM   #56
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Old 12-21-2017, 04:41 PM   #57
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Reading between the lines here, this case isn't the slam-dunk "he admitted it and plead out" that many have been saying around here. Looks like he's trying to fight it, at least right now.

Court on January 22? Hmmmm.
That might be about the letter he allegedly signed....

If I'm understanding what that means correctly.
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Old 12-21-2017, 04:43 PM   #58
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Do they allow you to buy a hunting license in Texas without Hunter Education once you are not considered youth?

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I believe they do.
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Old 12-21-2017, 04:43 PM   #59
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Arguably, one of the most bizarre of the three cases involved the biggest buck. Rumors spread like wildfire after photos of a huge 19-point buck surfaced. Game wardens received information suggesting the hunter’s story didn’t add up. On Dec. 16, 2016, the man who killed the big buck, John Walker Drinnon, 34, of Whitesboro, Texas, told game wardens that he killed the 19-pointer on public hunting land in Oklahoma. The wardens had obtained a game camera image of the deer in question, photographed on public hunting land on the Texas side of Lake Texoma, which contradicted Drinnon’s claim.

Working with their counterparts in Oklahoma and U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service agents to build a case, game wardens eventually obtained a confession from Drinnon that he had killed the buck in Grayson County from a public roadway with a rifle. Charges were filed against Drinnon for taking a deer without landowner consent (a state jail felony), hunting without landowner consent and hunting from a vehicle (Class A misdemeanors). Drinnon was also issued citations for no hunting license, hunting from the public roadway, no hunter education, and illegal means and methods.

On Oct. 12, Drinnon pled guilty to the felony charge of taking a whitetail deer without landowner consent in 15th District Court in Sherman, Texas. Civil restitution on the deer, which scored 202 B&C, was estimated at $18,048.10.

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The second Grayson buck in the press release can't be 271 right?
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Old 12-21-2017, 04:45 PM   #60
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There’s the potential for several different charges if half of what I’ve heard is true. Is this just one of many??
Guess we’ll see
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Old 12-21-2017, 04:47 PM   #61
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There’s the potential for several different charges if half of what I’ve heard is true. Is this just one of many??
Guess we’ll see

That's my guess. They just put one out there for the summons and will hit him with the rest at the arraignment in January.
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Old 12-21-2017, 04:50 PM   #62
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That deer needed another year anyway.


This post wins.....
That’s all you ever hear on the Hag threads. Doesn’t matter if the buck is gray haired with loose saggy skin. They always “needed another year”


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Old 12-21-2017, 04:52 PM   #63
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That's my guess. They just put one out there for the summons and will hit him with the rest at the arraignment in January.
I “heard” through the grapevine he plead on the felony. But that sounds to quick for that...
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Old 12-21-2017, 04:59 PM   #64
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The judge also prohibited Drinnon from purchasing a hunting license while on probation.
One of his charges was no hunting license.

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Guarantee you he won't do it on a weekend during hunting season for the next 5 years...
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Somewhat creative sentencing in making the punishments hurt and fit the crime, while still allowing the fellow to make a living ... to pay off the massive restitution amount.
I like the sentence because it is directly related to the crime and makes an attempt to prevent it from happening in the future. I'm assuming that he has to check into the jail on Friday night and gets released Sunday night. So assuming that it's just general season that 3 days x 10 weekends so 30 days per year x 5 = 150 days in jail.

My experience is that poachers are more active during the week though. I've caught 2 on my property in the past and one was on Tuesday and the other was on Wednesday. Weekends have too many other eyes in the woods and usually all game wardens on duty.

Since his charge was a felony does it mean that he can no longer legally possess a firearm?
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Old 12-21-2017, 05:12 PM   #65
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Really? he hasn't been prosecuted yet. How about seeing how the trial goes ?! Smh
Pretty sure I read a post on here where he was charged with a misdemeanor.
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Old 12-21-2017, 05:46 PM   #66
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I believe they do.


Cool. I wasn’t really sure since I have had hunter ed for as long as I can remember.

I didn’t think drinnon had a license and that’s why he tagged it with OK tag.


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Old 12-21-2017, 07:03 PM   #67
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several years ago here in Alabama a Montgomery man had some deer in a fence by his house. He owned a paving company and paved a parking lot for folks to pull off the highway and look at the deer. One night two men from Mobile cut the fence and killed his best buck, cut the antlers off, and got clean away.

The man was well off and well connected. He put up a $10,000 reward for info on the deer. The one who killed the deer curb stomped his girlfriend six months later and she dropped the dime on him. LEOs recovered thew deers head and arrested both me. Ol GF beater had three felony convictions already, and was charged and convicted of felony theft on the deer and got LIFE IN PRISON. The other fella got ten years.
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Old 12-21-2017, 07:22 PM   #68
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I hope they teach him a good lesson. Poaching animals ****s all of the good guys.
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Old 12-21-2017, 07:44 PM   #69
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Wow. I can understand some jail time, but to drag it out over 5 years and make him report to jail 20 different times seems a little excessive. There's predators preying on people that get off easier than that.
I kind of agree. I would think $18000 will teach him not to poach. Sounds like a good sentence though for those outfitters that advertise false hunts and screw people out of money
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Old 12-21-2017, 07:58 PM   #70
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Old 12-21-2017, 08:06 PM   #71
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I’m a fan of creative sentencing.
X2 I think this is a great sentence for the crime.
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Old 12-21-2017, 08:09 PM   #72
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This post wins.....
That’s all you ever hear on the Hag threads. Doesn’t matter if the buck is gray haired with loose saggy skin. They always “needed another year”


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Old 12-21-2017, 08:13 PM   #73
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Big deer has more value placed on it than Ethan Couch's victims
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Old 12-21-2017, 08:17 PM   #74
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Old 12-21-2017, 08:20 PM   #75
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I think someone who knowingly committed an offense like this should receive the highest sentence. If it was a continuous decision to break the law and that should not be taken lightly.

And if somehow it was an accidental/mistaken harvest, there should still be a penalty for not researching the laws for the area being hunted.

I have been on the end of the second one while fishing a lake that had different measurements for bass and paid a few hundred dollars for that mistake. But that sure helped me make sure I did my homework for everything then on.


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Old 12-21-2017, 08:23 PM   #76
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What do yall think about a guy that poaches animals for profit? What should happen to that guy?
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Old 12-21-2017, 08:23 PM   #77
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Yep. Nothing like a district judge who just needs “x” amount of campaign contributions to get re-elected and “x” number of years to retirement to make some head scratching decisions.

If you hang around courthouses long enough, you will learn that any high profile sentence handed down by a District Judge is in the “best interest of the Judge” not the “best interest of society.”
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About time we have some good values imposed on a wrong doer. “Times” have made everyone scared and soft. Good on the judge! My Dad’s era would have eliminated the bad guy without judgement. Times have changed, glad the judge is old school and got the job/punishment done.
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Old 12-21-2017, 08:34 PM   #79
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Seems like the judge got it right in this case. Hard for us to judge the judge. Think he/she has all the evidence
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Old 12-21-2017, 08:41 PM   #80
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Glad he got jail time and restitution needs to be paid. However , the sentence does not make sense to me. Poachers are gonna poach take his hunting privileges away for good. Even the. He will still probably poach.
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Old 12-21-2017, 08:44 PM   #81
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About time we have some good values imposed on a wrong doer. “Times” have made everyone scared and soft. Good on the judge! My Dad’s era would have eliminated the bad guy without judgement. Times have changed, glad the judge is old school and got the job/punishment done.
Murder is a pretty severe punishment for poaching. That sounds like how my granddad would have handled it. Was your dad from Italy? My granddad was from Corleon, Italy. He came to America when he was little. He eventually started a small olive oil company called Genco, in New York with his closest friends Samuel Clemenza and Sal Tessio. Anyway, my Dad followed in his footsteps. Although he went to college, because of some unpleasantness with a police captain, he ended up in the family business and eventually was the head of all of our business interests when we made the move to Lake Tahoe. He kept his “brother” Tom Hagen on as a counselor of sorts. In the end he settled all family business just like you described your dad would have. Ask anyone who knew Moe Greene or Stratchi.
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Old 12-21-2017, 08:54 PM   #82
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No, I’m just saying, a few years ago, the older generation knew right from wrong and held each other accountable. Not murder, you are way off track. Just keeping the order, looking after the common good and each other.
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Old 12-21-2017, 09:04 PM   #83
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Hahahha! Holly billy got what he deserves
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Old 12-21-2017, 09:17 PM   #84
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About time we have some good values imposed on a wrong doer. “Times” have made everyone scared and soft. Good on the judge! My Dad’s era would have eliminated the bad guy without judgement. Times have changed, glad the judge is old school and got the job/punishment done.
Good point! Along with times also values have changed! Too many people
these days think as long as they get away with it, no personal laws are broken.
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Old 12-21-2017, 09:42 PM   #85
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30-40 yrs ago he would have been fined and license suspended for a year or two. It's assinide that a person gets a harsher punishment for shooting a deer today then shooting a human, or killing someone driving drunk. If it weren't for the fact that hunting is now big business he would have been fined. To say that back in my dads day they would have done this or that is crazy. Back in those days it was mearly a fine. In llano Cnty 25-30 yrs ago it was a fine of 2-3x cost of average lease fine. Didn't lose license or anything.

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30-40 yrs ago he would have been fined and license suspended for a year or two. It's assinide that a person gets a harsher punishment for shooting a deer today then shooting a human, or killing someone driving drunk. If it weren't for the fact that hunting is now big business he would have been fined. To say that back in my dads day they would have done this or that is crazy. Back in those days it was mearly a fine.

I’m saying things were much clearer in my Dads days. Good on the judge for taking care of business as they see fit. They have the evidence and heard the crime. Seems like a good old school decision according to my green screen info.
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30-40 yrs ago he would have been fined and license suspended for a year or two. It's assinide that a person gets a harsher punishment for shooting a deer today then shooting a human, or killing someone driving drunk. If it weren't for the fact that hunting is now big business he would have been fined. To say that back in my dads day they would have done this or that is crazy. Back in those days it was mearly a fine.
That’s what I was thinking.

My dad wouldn’t call the law on someone over a deer. My grandfather would laugh at the notion of doing so.

I’m all for them taking (chronic) poacher’s licenses and guns for good, but the massive fines and 5 years of weekend jail seem insane for shooting a DEER. You’d get in FAR less trouble for getting drunk and driving down the road (multiple times, in fact), which could kill PEOPLE.
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Old 12-21-2017, 10:08 PM   #89
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I’m saying things were much clearer in my Dads days. Good on the judge for taking care of business as they see fit. They have the evidence and heard the crime. Seems like a good old school decision according to my green screen info.
How old is your dad?
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Point made, merry Christmas!
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That’s what I was thinking.

My dad wouldn’t call the law on someone over a deer. My grandfather would laugh at the notion of doing so.

I’m all for them taking (chronic) poacher’s licenses and guns for good, but the massive fines and 5 years of weekend jail seem insane for shooting a DEER. You’d get in FAR less trouble for getting drunk and driving down the road (multiple times, in fact), which could kill PEOPLE.
Hell back in Highschool the biggest , alleged, poacher in llano Cnty was the llano Cnty game wardens son. He had the keys to all the ranches and knew where dad was patrolling. He would take orders for hunters and go find their bucks so they say. I don't know how true but I know he was a wildcat
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Old 12-21-2017, 10:56 PM   #93
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I hate poachers, but that seems excessive. While it’s sorry of him to not respect the resource as others do, at the end of the day it’s just an animal. An animal that is ridiculously plentiful in every lower 48. Fine the crap out of him. If he doesn’t pay and you can throw him in jail for that, then good, let him sit in there for a long while.

And as others have said, not only was it not as serious “in the olden days”, but it was more prevalent. I’d bet lots of money everyone on this sight knows or is related to an old timer who practiced illegal hunting activities.


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Old 12-22-2017, 01:57 AM   #94
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I hate poachers, but that seems excessive. While it’s sorry of him to not respect the resource as others do, at the end of the day it’s just an animal. An animal that is ridiculously plentiful in every lower 48. Fine the crap out of him. If he doesn’t pay and you can throw him in jail for that, then good, let him sit in there for a long while.

And as others have said, not only was it not as serious “in the olden days”, but it was more prevalent. I’d bet lots of money everyone on this sight knows or is related to an old timer who practiced illegal hunting activities.


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Old 12-22-2017, 05:09 AM   #95
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No, I’m just saying, a few years ago, the older generation knew right from wrong and held each other accountable. Not murder, you are way off track. Just keeping the order, looking after the common good and each other.
Welcome to the fire. I will agree values and lifestyles have changed over the years. But I will also say this. 30 years ago poaching happens all the time as well however, there was no social media or fancy game cameras to capture and brag to all your buddies.

30-40 years ago people hunted more for the sport and now they hunt for horns and antlers.

How do you feel about the guy that lives in the country and shoots a deer in the off season to provide for his family ? Is he a criminal or feedng family ?
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Old 12-22-2017, 05:40 AM   #96
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30-40 years ago poaching was just as big as it is today, maybe worse. That excuse about poaching to feed a family is a crock too.
I grew up dirt poor, but can guarantee you we did not poach or take illegal limits of game. We grew big gardens, raised chickens and hogs.
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Old 12-22-2017, 07:22 AM   #97
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in 26 years as a GW and hundreds of poached deer cases I saw exactly ONE case of someone killing an illegal deer that NEEDED that deer to eat.

One morning right at daylight rode by an old house in the country. Two people were skinning a deer hanging from a tree in the front yard. I drove over and got out. 80 year old black man and his 10 year old grandson , illegal doe, killed at night with an illegal .22 rifle. From the porch while it was eating in the garden spot.

Old man was caught and he knew it. I asked him what he was fixing to do with that deer as he had a cast iron pot of water boiling. He said they were fixing to eat it...now. I told him to take that deer out back where I couldn't see it and then I got back in my truck and left.
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Old 12-22-2017, 07:24 AM   #98
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I’m just saying when my father was growing up they farmed and lived off the land. Shot deer all year long. It was for survival and cost effective. Now they poach for trophy and bragging rights because hunting has got expensive
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Old 12-22-2017, 07:24 AM   #99
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In 1977 coon hides were worth a lot of money. An average coon with prime fur would bring 15-20 dollars. A biggun would bring 30-50 dollars. In the winter time you would never see a dead coon along the road as someone would pick them up. Jackwagons would spotlight coons from the roads all night long and if a deer was spotted it was a bonus. From the late 70's to the early 80's coon hides were worth a lot. Nowadays they worth 5.00 if they are prime and big.

The older generations hunted some animals almost to extinction in some areas. Just look at turkeys and alligators, I also remember when I was a little kid that seeing a 100 class deer was a very rare sight. The deer population in this state is larger now than anytime I can remember.
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Old 12-22-2017, 07:30 AM   #100
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I hate poachers, but that seems excessive. While it’s sorry of him to not respect the resource as others do, at the end of the day it’s just an animal. An animal that is ridiculously plentiful in every lower 48. Fine the crap out of him. If he doesn’t pay and you can throw him in jail for that, then good, let him sit in there for a long while.

And as others have said, not only was it not as serious “in the olden days”, but it was more prevalent. I’d bet lots of money everyone on this sight knows or is related to an old timer who practiced illegal hunting activities.


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The same could be said for grown men having relations with young teenage girls. That doesn't make it right. Times change.
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