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Last edited by SCREAMINREELS; 02-01-2019, 11:36 AM.
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I think that the taboo around discussing pay is out dated and silly.
When a candidate is interested in a position I am hiring for I am very open about what salary, benefits, and expectations are.
It seems foolish to waste both my time and the candidates time to drag along the process only to find out either the salary or expectations are unacceptable.
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In Medical Sales the salary, commission, and benefits are talked about up front so as to not waste anyone’s time. At least that is my experience. The pay varies widely on what sector a rep is calling on. Most of the time the Recruiters already know ahead of time when speaking to potential candidates. I could see it the other way for specific careers though.
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Originally posted by Snacks View PostI think that the taboo around discussing pay is out dated and silly.
When a candidate is interested in a position I am hiring for I am very open about what salary, benefits, and expectations are.
It seems foolish to waste both my time and the candidates time to drag along the process only to find out either the salary or expectations are unacceptable.
When I interview people I am very open about salary, benefits, expectations, and even so much as to tell them the good, bad and ugly of the job. No need to waste anyone's time (mine included as interviewer).
I've had several people drop out of consideration because the pay wasn't inline with what they were looking for. I have no problem as in the end we save both of us a lot of time.
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It's not putting either party in an unfair position, to at least offer a salary range, for most any posted position.
If they won't at least give me a ball park number (based on qualifications & experience, of course), I'm not about to waste my time, pursuing a job with them. The time to talk specifics about compensation, is after both parties agree that there is still mutual interest.
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I think it's perfectly normal for each side to sort of get to know each other before worrying about compensation. There are obvious risks to putting off the compensation discussion for both sides, however. The main one just being a wasting of time.
I had a company recruit me. I told them I wasn't looking. They came back. I said no. They talked up the position and I was somewhat open to hearing them out because it was in Austin, which I prefer to Houston. Ended up having like 5 back and forths and they were trying to sell me on the job and telling me I was their "dream candidate".
And then I found out they wanted to pay me 55% of what I was making in my current role and didn't answer the phone again.
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Originally posted by SCREAMINREELS View PostI've had this happen once at a very small family owned company. I asked about pay and they asked what I made now which I thought was odd. They offered me less than I told them I made because they thought I was lying then asked for proof income when I told them I couldn't accept it. I did show it and they said they couldn't beat it. I really don't understand why anyone would want to see your pay. They should pay you what they believe your worth and you can make the decision if you agree or not
On the other hand as an employer, it’s a waste of my time to peruse someone who thinks they are more valuable than I do for the position.
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I've actually had a prospective employer tell me they can't tell their pay without first knowing your current salary. I asked "why" and she said, "I need to know your current salary so I know how much to offer." I wouldn't disclose my salary and she said we can go no farther. So that was that.
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Pay and range for a position...there is a difference. It would also be mindful if such employer asked a range you are currently in - with the intent to see if both parties are in the same playing field.
If neither side can’t be apart of such discussion about “range”...then neither party knows what the hell they are doing!
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If you would have to go out of state for the sit down interview, then wages definitely need to be discussed before making the trip. If they can’t even provide a salary range for the position, then they’re trying to feel you out and see what they can get away with. Hopefully you haven’t told them what you make now.
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Concerns me so may potential employers are willing to waste my time and theirs without giving me a pay range. I think thats a glimpse into how their managment works. Money isnt the driving force for me going to work somewhere, but im not looking for a job because i like spending time away from my family, knife shop, hunting ect. I work to get paid and keep a roof over my head.
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I would not give a potential employee that I have not met in person a salary number either outside of giving them a range that it could fall in, but even then it would be a BIG range. Sounds like you are going to have to be willing to go have a sit down visit with them before they are comfortable throwing numbers around, which I don't think is out of the ordinary at all. If you do that and they still will not give numbers soon thereafter then that could be an issue.
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