Reply
Go Back   TexasBowhunter.com Community Discussion Forums > Topics > Traditional
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 08-26-2015, 08:46 PM   #1
Pushbutton2
Pope & Young
 
Pushbutton2's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Van,TX
Hunt In: Mc Culloch County since 2015 Van Zandt County since 2017
Default Arrow for a compound, recurve and longbow....

I recently purchased a 43# recurve.
I'm in the process of buying a 70# longbow.

I'm shooting a 340 spine Gold Tip Pro Hunter @ 32".
I have 6 arrows for it.
3 are crested, they have standard inserts and 50 grain screw in weights. The other 3 have 100 grain brass inserts. All are have 125 grain tips/Broadheads.

I tried the standard insert and 50 grain screw in weights, the weight was off. I tried 100 grains screw in weight, put me over. Used the 100 grain inserts all 6 arrows are within 3 grains of each other.

Since my longbow is 70# @ 28" and I'll be drawing it more than that the weights going to increase. Not sure how much, yet :-)

I'm using 340 spine arrows in my compound too. It's set at 64#.

How much harder will the longbow launch, compared to my compound and recurve?

Will/should I upgrade to a 300, 250 or more?

If I upgrade my arrows for the recurve should I change them all?
One arrow for three bows???
Pushbutton2 is online now   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 08-26-2015, 09:01 PM   #2
BTLowry
Pope & Young
 
BTLowry's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Lindale
Hunt In: Behind the house and public in Texas; Kansas Unit 5
Default

70# longbow?

You must have arms like a gorilla

That would probably be equivalent to at least a 90# compound
BTLowry is online now   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 08-26-2015, 09:04 PM   #3
MEsquivel
Ten Point
 
MEsquivel's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Laredo
Hunt In: South Texas/Mexico
Default

Theres no way you can use the same for 43# recurve and the 70# longbow.
Maybe longbow and compound.
Are you completely new to traditional bows? Im not doubting your strength, but it takes a lot of power to pull a 70# longbow.
MEsquivel is offline   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 08-26-2015, 10:00 PM   #4
Bisch
Pope & Young
 
Bisch's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Sonora, Tx
Default

If you get lucky enough to get the same arrow to work off of a 43# recurve, 64# compound, and 70+# longbow, you better get down to the Quick Mart and buy as many lottery tickets as you can!

Good luck with it!

Bisch
Bisch is offline   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 08-26-2015, 10:26 PM   #5
RickBarbee
Pope & Young
 
RickBarbee's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Texas Back Roads
Hunt In: Where I am
Default

Not to put to fine of a point on it, BUT it ain't gonna happen.

Well I'll back up a little - You might use the same shaft, but you'll never make that shaft work in the same configuration for all 3 bows.

Rick
RickBarbee is offline   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 08-27-2015, 04:37 AM   #6
little john
Ten Point
 
little john's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2014
Location: splendora, TX
Hunt In: mostly TX
Default

Short answer yes you can spine a 340 for both #70/#45 Name:  Screenshot_2015-08-27-04-36-39.png
Views: 242
Size:  184.7 KB

Name:  Screenshot_2015-08-27-04-33-48.png
Views: 248
Size:  188.8 KB
little john is offline   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 08-27-2015, 05:53 AM   #7
DWA
Ten Point
 
DWA's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Parker County
Hunt In: Palo pinto Johnson counties and Sonora
Default

I would say yes but your arrows for the 45# would dang near have to be full length.
DWA is offline   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 08-27-2015, 07:18 AM   #8
Pushbutton2
Pope & Young
 
Pushbutton2's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Van,TX
Hunt In: Mc Culloch County since 2015 Van Zandt County since 2017
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by DWA View Post
I would say yes but your arrows for the 45# would dang near have to be full length.
They are
When they build stores for my compound they take @ 1" off of each end
Pushbutton2 is online now   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 08-27-2015, 09:16 AM   #9
MEsquivel
Ten Point
 
MEsquivel's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Laredo
Hunt In: South Texas/Mexico
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by little john View Post
Short answer yes you can spine a 340 for both #70/#45 Attachment 737627

Attachment 737628
Wow!!!
I see the numbers...but I still dont believe 43# could bend a 340 spine shaft.
I may be wrong.
MEsquivel is offline   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 08-27-2015, 09:49 AM   #10
Bisch
Pope & Young
 
Bisch's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Sonora, Tx
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by MEsquivel View Post
Wow!!!
I see the numbers...but I still dont believe 43# could bend a 340 spine shaft.
I may be wrong.
I see that too, and have a hard time buying that it will work??? In his example, he has 200gr of front end weight and a B50 string. I have to leave my 32" .400 shafts full length, and have 250gr up front, for my 50# bow with a D97 string, and they are still just a hair stiff.

Bisch

Last edited by Bisch; 08-27-2015 at 09:51 AM.
Bisch is offline   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 08-27-2015, 09:54 AM   #11
little john
Ten Point
 
little john's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2014
Location: splendora, TX
Hunt In: mostly TX
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bisch View Post
I see that too, and have a hard time buying that it will work??? In his example, he has 200gr of front end weight and a B50 string. I have to leave my 32" .400 shafts full length, and have 250gr up front, for my 50# bow with a D97 string, and they are still just a hair stiff.

Bisch
I've got a #45 and some 340s and all the fixins sounds like a challange
little john is offline   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 08-27-2015, 10:00 AM   #12
Limbwalker
Banned!!!
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Columbus, TX
Default

I can shoot the same 400 spine arrows from my 54# compound (Conquest 4), 63# R/D longbow, and 52# recurve. I do it all the time.

When I shoot them from the compound and 63# longbow, I use 100 grain points. When I shoot them from my recurve, I use 160 grain points. My arrows are also 32" long.

Because your longbow is going to be cut further from center, it wouldn't surprise me if you can use those 340 spine arrows with 150+ grains up front.

However, on the recurve, you'd need more like 300 grains up front to get them to tune.
Limbwalker is offline   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 08-27-2015, 10:13 AM   #13
MEsquivel
Ten Point
 
MEsquivel's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Laredo
Hunt In: South Texas/Mexico
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bisch View Post
I see that too, and have a hard time buying that it will work??? In his example, he has 200gr of front end weight and a B50 string. I have to leave my 32" .400 shafts full length, and have 250gr up front, for my 50# bow with a D97 string, and they are still just a hair stiff.

Bisch
I have a short 26" draw.
My tolke lynx... 55@26 shoots 400 shafts with 225gr up front at 29" just fine.
My bob lee recurve (47# at my draw) likes the 500 shafts with 175 up front at 28"
I do realize the difference in shaft length... but I still find it hard to believe.

I guess you could try to tune to your lightest bow first...just keep on adding weight up front... That way you don't have to cut your shafts.
MEsquivel is offline   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 08-27-2015, 10:44 AM   #14
SwampRabbit
Pope & Young
 
SwampRabbit's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: Tomball, TX
Hunt In: Hill Country & East Texas
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by little john View Post
Short answer yes you can spine a 340 for both #70/#45 Attachment 737627

Attachment 737628
Dang it! I can't see the pictures.
SwampRabbit is online now   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 08-27-2015, 10:51 AM   #15
SwampRabbit
Pope & Young
 
SwampRabbit's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: Tomball, TX
Hunt In: Hill Country & East Texas
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by little john View Post
Short answer yes you can spine a 340 for both #70/#45 Attachment 737627

Attachment 737628
Ah yes... (I can see them now.)

There in is the hitch though... in order for you to use the same arrow, you have to accept that your gpp for the longbow is going to be 5.5... which I doubt there is a boywer around that would be happy with you shooting his/her bow with a 5gpp setup.

A 340 at 32" is probably more like a 450 at 28". then when you throw 250 gr out that far, it probably shoots more like a 600 spine arrow. So yeah, it makes sense that you can get the spine right... but at 5.5 gpp, you aren't going to be happy down the road.
SwampRabbit is online now   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 08-27-2015, 03:04 PM   #16
trad"Doc"53
Pope & Young
 
trad"Doc"53's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Belton
Hunt In: None at Present
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Limbwalker View Post
I can shoot the same 400 spine arrows from my 54# compound (Conquest 4), 63# R/D longbow, and 52# recurve. I do it all the time.

When I shoot them from the compound and 63# longbow, I use 100 grain points. When I shoot them from my recurve, I use 160 grain points. My arrows are also 32" long.

Because your longbow is going to be cut further from center, it wouldn't surprise me if you can use those 340 spine arrows with 150+ grains up front.

However, on the recurve, you'd need more like 300 grains up front to get them to tune.
What is your draw length?
trad"Doc"53 is offline   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 08-27-2015, 03:49 PM   #17
R.Armendariz
Eight Point
 
R.Armendariz's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2014
Location: Laredo tx
Hunt In: South tx.
Default

My 43 lb recurve can only shoot up to 125 up front with 500 spine ,heavier like 145 it starts kick to the side I have to shoot 400 with 145 or 165. My 48 lb ACS I shoot 340 spine 165 up front , with a 400 shaft they start to fishtail left. 30.25 length arrow. With
my toelke 45 lb 500 spine 125 to 200 grain . I know weird.They are large differences in spine to weight , I guess depends on the bow.
R.Armendariz is offline   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 08-27-2015, 10:02 PM   #18
Pushbutton2
Pope & Young
 
Pushbutton2's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Van,TX
Hunt In: Mc Culloch County since 2015 Van Zandt County since 2017
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by SwampRabbit View Post
Ah yes... (I can see them now.)



There in is the hitch though... in order for you to use the same arrow, you have to accept that your gpp for the longbow is going to be 5.5... which I doubt there is a boywer around that would be happy with you shooting his/her bow with a 5gpp setup.



A 340 at 32" is probably more like a 450 at 28". then when you throw 250 gr out that far, it probably shoots more like a 600 spine arrow. So yeah, it makes sense that you can get the spine right... but at 5.5 gpp, you aren't going to be happy down the road.
My current arrows for my 43# Gull Wing recurve weigh 533

Quote:
Originally Posted by trad"Doc"53 View Post
What is your draw length?

31 1/2" is what my Strother Moxie is set at
Pushbutton2 is online now   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 08-28-2015, 06:57 AM   #19
BTLowry
Pope & Young
 
BTLowry's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Lindale
Hunt In: Behind the house and public in Texas; Kansas Unit 5
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Pushbutton2 View Post
My current arrows for my 43# Gull Wing recurve weigh 533




31 1/2" is what my Strother Moxie is set at
I take back the comment about arms like a gorilla

What is the expected draw of the longbow if 70#@28 and you are drawing 31ish? ~84#?
BTLowry is online now   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 08-28-2015, 07:04 AM   #20
Pushbutton2
Pope & Young
 
Pushbutton2's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Van,TX
Hunt In: Mc Culloch County since 2015 Van Zandt County since 2017
Default

No idea
Pushbutton2 is online now   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 08-28-2015, 11:59 AM   #21
Felix40
Ten Point
 
Felix40's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Farmington, NM
Hunt In: Public land
Default

Are you planning to shoot feathers from the compound too? I think you will be better off in th long run if you set up a set of arrows for each bow. If you only want one set of arrows then get rid of the compound and pick your favorite trad bow. If I were you I would get rid of both those trad bows and buy one that isn't a ridiculous weight like both of those.
Felix40 is offline   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 08-28-2015, 07:58 PM   #22
MEsquivel
Ten Point
 
MEsquivel's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Laredo
Hunt In: South Texas/Mexico
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by BTLowry View Post
I take back the comment about arms like a gorilla

What is the expected draw of the longbow if 70#@28 and you are drawing 31ish? ~84#?
I think it will be close to a 30" draw. It will depend on his anchor.
Try the clothes pin...
Clamp a clothes pin to your arrow and slowly draw your bow to your anchor.
Let down and measure from the valley of the nock to the clothes pin. That there will be your draw length.
Draw weight increases or decreases 2-3 pounds per inch over or under specified draw weight. In this case 70@28, and you draw 30", will put you at or around 76# at your draw (30")....on your 43# bow, it will be +\-49# at 30".
MEsquivel is offline   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 08-28-2015, 10:15 PM   #23
sweetinlow660
Ten Point
 
sweetinlow660's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2013
Location: Pottsboro
Hunt In: Clay County SE Oklahoma
Default

First thing you need to do is figure out your draw length when shooting the long bow and the recurve. I shoot a 30.5 inch draw on my compound and only a 27 on my long bow and a 26.5 on my recurve because of differences in my shooting style. Not saying yours WILL change but I would be surprised if you pull 31.5 inches on a 70 lb recurve.
sweetinlow660 is online now   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 08-29-2015, 07:18 AM   #24
boomer453
Ten Point
 
boomer453's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: on the LA side of Toledo Bend
Hunt In: Sabine Parish
Default

you can figure #3-4 per inch past 28". i bet you lose at least an 1 1/2" off your compound draw length. so i'd guess you'll be drawing somewhere between 76 and 78#. buy a 1/2 dozen 7590 gold tips and bare shaft tune the correct way. you'll end up happier in the long run, won't cost you anymore because you'll be able to use the same broad heads in both bows.
boomer453 is offline   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 07:18 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2018, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
Copyright 1999-2012, TexasBowhunter.com