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Old 02-02-2018, 08:07 PM   #1
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I'm thinking about getting into traditional archery but not sure where to go for help. Is there a pro shop in Houston that specializes in Trad? What would you guys recommend for an intermediate recurve bow? Im 6'2" and have a 29" DL. Currently shooting 74# compound. I was thinking a 62" bow that is 45-48# at 28" draw. Probably just shoot it in the backyard and hunt with a compound for another couple years. I love archery and shooting. If I got brave enough and good enough one day I would consider hunting with it.

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Old 02-02-2018, 08:11 PM   #2
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You're in the right spot. There are some stickies at the top of this section. Read them and it will answer some of the basic questions. There are lots of folks here who can help you. And will graciously. Unfortunately I'm new enough to trad I won't be much help.
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Old 02-02-2018, 08:13 PM   #3
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That's good weight to start with as you work on your form and getting arrows tuned. You can always bump up later. Start with too much weight and you may end up over-bowed discouraged. I recommend the Traditional Bowhunter's Handbook by TJ Conrads.

https://www.3riversarchery.com/tradi...-handbook.html
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Buy a Samick Sage older takedown in 35-40 and upgrade if you need to later. My Samick will shoot as good as any custom Iíve owned


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Let us know how that works out for you...
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It won’t take a couple of years before you’re hooked! Go to tbot. Org and come to a 3D shoot near you. Lots of good people will help you on your journey.
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By the way you just got a reply from one heck of a shot. Roger had great success on a national level last year and he’s one of the good guys.
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Old 02-04-2018, 07:34 AM   #11
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I'm thinking about getting into traditional archery but not sure where to go for help. Is there a pro shop in Houston that specializes in Trad? What would you guys recommend for an intermediate recurve bow? Im 6'2" and have a 29" DL. Currently shooting 74# compound. I was thinking a 62" bow that is 45-48# at 28" draw. Probably just shoot it in the backyard and hunt with a compound for another couple years. I love archery and shooting. If I got brave enough and good enough one day I would consider hunting with it.

Any tips are info would help, thanks!

-Matt
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It is much easier to get your form down using a light bow. I'd say not more than 35# to start, even though you are a sizeable fellow. That way there is no way you will be overbowed and can concentrate on hold and release. Form is everything in traditional archery, and bad form is hard to break if you overbow.

The next thing is getting the right arrows for you and your bow. I'd recommend Easton aluminum 2016's with 125 grain tips for all bows from 35# to 50#. They are the straightest and most consistent weight of all arrow shafts, plus they are cheaper than carbon. If those don't fly straight, you can always play with the tip weight by getting a test pack o' points from 3RiversArchery.com. I shoot them out of all my bows - 35# to 47#.

Good luck and welcome to the addiction. When you get it right, you can't be the satisfaction.

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Old 02-04-2018, 08:14 AM   #12
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I have been shooting trad since the 80's. Starting too heavy is the biggest mistake I see with new trad shooters. 45-48 might sound light after the 74 you have been shooting, but it can cause issues with form with no let-off. Also sometimes you lose a little draw length going from compound to trad, mainly because you aren't using a mechanical release and you anchor differently. I said sometimes, not always, before people jump all over me .

One thing I really like about ILF setups is you can use the same riser and any limb you want. So if you start at 35 or 40# and after 6-12 months want to move up in weight, just buy some heavier limbs (any limb brand, longbow or recurve work, that's the beauty of ILF) in the same length and you keep a lot of familiarity. You get to keep the same riser, same bow length, etc. You can get wood ILF risers if you aren't a fan of metal.

Otherwise the Samick suggestion is a good one. They make good shooting bows. They can be found used for low prices if you want to get in on the cheap.

Decide on an aiming method and stick with it to give it an honest chance. Don't feel like you have to shoot instinctive because it sounds more traditional to you. If you shoot that way and it works awesome (I do). If you are struggling and getting frustrated don't be afraid to try gap, string walking, fixed crawl, etc. What is important is making consistent good shots. We owe that to the game we pursue.

If you were closer to DFW I would tell you to come over and shoot. I keep 35 and 40# bows on the rack almost always for others to shoot.

Good luck and have fun!

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Old 02-04-2018, 08:42 AM   #13
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I have been shooting trad since the 80's. Starting too heavy is the biggest mistake I see with new trad shooters. 45-48 might sound light after the 74 you have been shooting, but it can cause issues with form with no let-off. Also sometimes you lose a little draw length going from compound to trad, mainly because you aren't using a mechanical release and you anchor differently. I said sometimes, not always, before people jump all over me .

One thing I really like about ILF setups is you can use the same riser and any limb you want. So if you start at 35 or 40# and after 6-12 months want to move up in weight, just buy some heavier limbs (any limb brand, longbow or recurve work, that's the beauty of ILF) in the same length and you keep a lot of familiarity. You get to keep the same riser, same bow length, etc. You can get wood ILF risers if you aren't a fan of metal.

Otherwise the Samick suggestion is a good one. They make good shooting bows. They can be found used for low prices if you want to get in on the cheap.

Decide on an aiming method and stick with it to give it an honest chance. Don't feel like you have to shoot instinctive because it sounds more traditional to you. If you shoot that way and it works awesome (I do). If you are struggling and getting frustrated don't be afraid to try gap, string walking, fixed crawl, etc. What is important is making consistent good shots. We owe that to the game we pursue.

If you were closer to DFW I would tell you to come over and shoot. I keep 35 and 40# bows on the rack almost always for others to shoot.

Good luck and have fun!

-Mike
Sage advice, right there. I like the advantages of ILF bows also.

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Old 02-04-2018, 09:01 AM   #14
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Vegetarian??????

I killed 6 deer with my trad bows this past season. I eat meat nearly every day of my life, and more times than not, it is something that I took with a trad bow. You are on the right track with your thoughts. I would get something inexpensive, in a light draw weight (no more than 45#, but 40# might be better) to start with. After you have learned to shoot with good form, then you can move up in weight if you want to.

Good luck in your new journey, and welcome to the fun side.

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Old 02-04-2018, 10:55 AM   #15
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To each his own but if it were me I would start with a 50# recurve 62"long. As big as you are, you'll not have a problem with handling it and it will handle most any animal you go after with it.
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Just food for thought. When I started this I was an athletic (gym 4-6 days a week) 200lbs. I started with a 45lb bow because my vanity wouldn't let me start any lower. That was a mistake. It was too heavy for a beginner, so much so that I ruined my first dozen arrows trying to tune them (another mistake at that early stage) with a form that was just horrible. I was given a set of 35lb limbs for mu Sage and had to start all over and get rid of all the bad habits.

My advice is get a 35lb bow and begin there. I've still got my 35lb Sage and I haul it out for form work when I hit something that I can't fix with my 45lb hunting bow.

Welcome to the dark side.

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Old 02-04-2018, 01:12 PM   #17
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Just food for thought. When I started this I was an athletic (gym 4-6 days a week) 200lbs. I started with a 45lb bow because my vanity wouldn't let me start any lower. That was a mistake. It was too heavy for a beginner, so much so that I ruined my first dozen arrows trying to tune them (another mistake at that early stage) with a form that was just horrible. I was given a set of 35lb limbs for mu Sage and had to start all over and get rid of all the bad habits.

My advice is get a 35lb bow and begin there. I've still got my 35lb Sage and I haul it out for form work when I hit something that I can't fix with my 45lb hunting bow.

Welcome to the dark side.

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I'm with you on that, Richard.

I ain't embarrassed to say I shoot the Sage with 30# limbs at my draw when I start screwing up my form. Especially when tired, I can always shoot it. Funny thing is, it is even more prone to form errors, but you can keep working it out.

Having said that, I don't have heavy bows....heaviest is 47#. Any more than that and I just wear out too quickly. I'm not small, 6'0" 180#, but am getting a little long in the tooth.

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Old 02-04-2018, 04:41 PM   #18
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Thanks guys, this has been very helpful. I think I'll go with the Samick Sage in a lower weight and see how it goes. 3riversarchery seems like a great place to get set up with a bow and arrows in the correct spine.

Although instinctive sounds fun, I'll probably work on crawling down the string and using the arrow tip to aim. The Push on YouTube was excellent in getting me oriented. Can't wait to get started on this journey!!

Couple more questions....

Carbon or Aluminum arrows?
Is the dynamic spine calculator on the 3riversarchery website fairly accurate?
Foot the arrow shafts?
Helix broadhead or should I go with more of a tapered single bevel (cutthroats, Masai, etc)?

I was thinking of going with Black Eagle Instinct. Outserts should protect the front of the shaft and with a 100gr insert I can shoot my 125 gr broadheads.

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Old 02-04-2018, 04:48 PM   #19
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Just food for thought. When I started this I was an athletic (gym 4-6 days a week) 200lbs. I started with a 45lb bow because my vanity wouldn't let me start any lower. That was a mistake. It was too heavy for a beginner, so much so that I ruined my first dozen arrows trying to tune them (another mistake at that early stage) with a form that was just horrible. I was given a set of 35lb limbs for mu Sage and had to start all over and get rid of all the bad habits.

My advice is get a 35lb bow and begin there. I've still got my 35lb Sage and I haul it out for form work when I hit something that I can't fix with my 45lb hunting bow.

Welcome to the dark side.

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I started with a 45lb Sage because I'm just that dang strong.

Strong smelling maybe. 45 at 28 probably equates to 39 or 40 at a shade over 26. And I killed my first trad deer with that bow. So don't sweat that.

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Just food for thought. When I started this I was an athletic (gym 4-6 days a week) 200lbs. I started with a 45lb bow because my vanity wouldn't let me start any lower. That was a mistake. It was too heavy for a beginner, so much so that I ruined my first dozen arrows trying to tune them (another mistake at that early stage) with a form that was just horrible. I was given a set of 35lb limbs for mu Sage and had to start all over and get rid of all the bad habits.

My advice is get a 35lb bow and begin there. I've still got my 35lb Sage and I haul it out for form work when I hit something that I can't fix with my 45lb hunting bow.

Welcome to the dark side.

Richard.
I need to do this. At 49# I'm struggling to maintain consistent form.
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Old 02-07-2018, 10:46 AM   #21
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I would start at 40-45 with a Longbow knowing what I know after 13 years at it. I was shooting 53# when I started and learned a lot of bad habits that I have still not been able to stop. This is why I am not a top shooter. That and my old eyes. But most important have fun with it and you will get your game in time. Arvin
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Old 02-10-2018, 06:32 PM   #22
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Can any of you recommend a good ILF to start out with. I’m typically a buy once cry once kinda guy but, that being said, if there’s something excellent out there in the mid-priced range I’d love to know about it. I’ve been researching tradtech and Hoyt. What else should I look at?
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