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Old 02-18-2019, 06:08 AM   #1
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I found a lease right out side Glen rose. It was suppose to be 400 acres. When we went to look at it I thought it was awfully small. It sounds like a great place and nice lease boss but when we mapped it when we got home itís 240 acres. The cost is 2500 a person if only 4 hunters are on it. We called the guy on the amount of land and he was shocked. Iím stuck there is some deer there and turkey are hit and miss. I was so excited that the search of was over I told my 5 year old. So the question is what would yíall say or do. Iím on the fence I know itís still early and other leases might pop up but then again I might not be able to find another for little man and I
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Old 02-18-2019, 06:15 AM   #2
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If they lie about acreage, what else might they being lying about?


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Old 02-18-2019, 06:18 AM   #3
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^^^THIS^^^

Sounds like a scam.
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Old 02-18-2019, 06:25 AM   #4
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Your cost per acre just doubled.
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Old 02-18-2019, 06:26 AM   #5
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4 guys on 240 acres is way too crowded.
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Old 02-18-2019, 06:53 AM   #6
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How would the lease boss not know the actual acreage? Do you think the lease boss was honestly not sure the acreage or were they trying to manipulate you?
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Old 02-18-2019, 06:55 AM   #7
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240 or 400 either way, $2500 per gun and 4 guns on the lease is way too much, especially for that county IMO. Just keep looking until you find what you want. It's your money, and you can spend it as you see fit. If this doesn't feel right, then don't do it.
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Old 02-18-2019, 07:39 AM   #8
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If they lie about acreage, what else might they being lying about?


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This exactly ^^^

I'm sure it's tempting, but there will always be something better come along.
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Old 02-18-2019, 07:50 AM   #9
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I'm with the rest...there is no way 240 acres could confused with 400. You were lied to, don't walk away from it, run.
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Old 02-18-2019, 07:51 AM   #10
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The gentleman that I’m dealing with seems very honest. He sounded shocked when we let him know actual acreage. I think he went off of some one else word and haven’t really looked in 7 years. I’m leaning towards he we go again looking for a lease.
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Old 02-18-2019, 07:55 AM   #11
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Keep looking
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Old 02-18-2019, 07:59 AM   #12
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Old 02-18-2019, 08:05 AM   #13
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How can you be confused between 240 compared to 400 acres? That's almost half as much that's supposed to be there. I smell fish......
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Old 02-18-2019, 08:12 AM   #14
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The Liar that Iím dealing with seems like a very Liar. He sounded shocked when we let him know actual acreage. I think he went off of some one else word and havenít really looked in 7 years. Iím leaning towards he we go again looking for a lease.
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Old 02-18-2019, 08:12 AM   #15
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He might've been "shocked" but still that doesn't excuse the fact that he wasn't factual in saying that it was 400 acres. That ain't the place for you, much less 3 others!
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Old 02-18-2019, 08:21 AM   #16
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Have someone else you know go look at it and see what he tells em.


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Old 02-18-2019, 08:23 AM   #17
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I was told the 1st lease I was on was 250 acres.It was a little over 100(1992) I actually had to go to the County tax office to find out..I was pretty sure it was wayy smaller than 250 acres.I was 18 yrs old.
I ended up staying for 2 yrs.Hunting was pretty good,but I wanted a bigger place.Leased my 2nd and only other deer lease.Was told it was 800 acres..Tax office said it was 580..I liked the place so I stayed for nearly 20 yrs..
If you like it,and the other 3 guys don't shoot every deer they see;I say go for it.Hell,just being in Glen Rose makes it pretty awesome..My 2 cents anyway..Btw,if you decide to move on;send me the boss' #.

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Old 02-18-2019, 08:46 AM   #18
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Keep looking. That’s a lot of money and 4 guns on 250 acres ain’t much room.
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Old 02-18-2019, 09:02 AM   #19
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4 guns on 250 acres? If you only want to shoot does and small bucks and maybe occasionally a nice deer then that might be ok. You'll shoot the place up pretty quick though.
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Old 02-18-2019, 09:09 AM   #20
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You’re better off with no lease than a bad one.
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Old 02-18-2019, 09:15 AM   #21
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$41 an acre
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Old 02-18-2019, 09:16 AM   #22
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The gentleman that I’m dealing with seems very honest. He sounded shocked when we let him know actual acreage. I think he went off of some one else word and haven’t really looked in 7 years. I’m leaning towards he we go again looking for a lease.



If he's truly "shocked" then did he offer you the same price for only two hunters? Did he cut the cost per acre in half?

Or.........DID HE JUST GET CAUGHT?





If he didn't change his price then run. He will find another sucker.
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Old 02-18-2019, 09:19 AM   #23
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Old 02-18-2019, 09:21 AM   #24
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That's why I always ask for the boudry lines before the lease is signed. I can map it out within seconds on my phone and have exact acreage. I'd leave this lease alone myself.
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Old 02-18-2019, 09:23 AM   #25
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It is the possible beginning of alot of heart ache for you and you son.
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Old 02-18-2019, 09:38 AM   #26
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I think I’m going to back out and start looking again. I think 2500 should land a decent lease.
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Old 02-18-2019, 09:44 AM   #27
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$2,500 for 60 acres is nuts. RUN!!!!!!

You also state "if only 4 hunters". Lord help yall if theres more than 4 hunters on that place.
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Old 02-18-2019, 09:47 AM   #28
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Send me a pin, I will look on onx and tell tou exactly what it is including owners name.


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Old 02-18-2019, 09:51 AM   #29
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Where are you looking for a lease? There's some already posted on here that $2,500 will get you in
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Old 02-18-2019, 09:52 AM   #30
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Just move on. If you are questioning it, then there is a problem. If your intuition says "no", then listen to it. Move on. Save yourself a heartache.
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Old 02-18-2019, 11:24 AM   #31
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I've seen the ad for this lease on another forum. I don't know anybody involved. Why pay $2500 for 400 or 200 acres when there are places way much bigger that are the same price or close to it. I wouldn't call the guy a liar. Maybe he is just taking the word of the landowner. It seems like if you can find out who all owns the land, you can find out what the real acreage is.
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Old 02-18-2019, 11:33 AM   #32
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Several people I know who have hunted around Glen Rose have had problems with theft. Not just in camp but blinds, feeders, etc. I love that area but wouldn't want to have to worry about the theft issue.
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Old 02-18-2019, 12:30 PM   #33
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I'm looking for a lease, kind of desperate in fact but probably would say no with the information given. While looking the past couple years I've been shocked at some of the leg pullin going on in the lease world. A little takin back as I have honest country roots and expected it might be easy to deal a lease (hahaha, I was niave) I definitely would confront the owner with the facts to see his reaction and take it as a learning opportunity.
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Old 02-18-2019, 12:31 PM   #34
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B.... S.... ! Run, Run, Run
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Old 02-18-2019, 12:55 PM   #35
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Old 02-18-2019, 02:05 PM   #36
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Someone is not being truthful or thinks they can pull a fast one on an unsuspecting hunter desperate for a lease. Anyone can tell the difference when walking or driving on a 240 acre parcel vs a 400 acre parcel of land. Half a square mile to almost 3/4 of a square mile is a significant difference. I would look elsewhere, or you may regret spending your hard earned money on misery.
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Old 02-18-2019, 02:39 PM   #37
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run and run fast!! 4 people on 240 acres AND $2500 a pop. Heck no
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Old 02-18-2019, 02:46 PM   #38
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I wouldn't do it.
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Old 02-18-2019, 02:52 PM   #39
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Landowner Keith Johns?
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Old 02-18-2019, 03:28 PM   #40
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It’s way to easy to find out acreage these days with the internet. No one should be that confused.
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Old 02-18-2019, 03:32 PM   #41
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Itís way to easy to find out acreage these days with the internet. No one should be that confused.

I canít imagine a lease manager not asking the landowner the size of the property. And
I guarantee a landowner knows to two decimal places how much land he has.




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Old 02-18-2019, 07:20 PM   #42
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One in fort mckavett for $5k. MLD with axis
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Old 02-18-2019, 07:28 PM   #43
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I canít imagine a lease manager not asking the landowner the size of the property. And
I guarantee a landowner knows to two decimal places how much land he has.




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Youíd be surprised. Seen it go both ways on having more or less than what they thought bc of never paying for a survey.
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Old 02-18-2019, 07:48 PM   #44
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Send me a pin, I will look on onx and tell tou exactly what it is including owners name.


Sean


That app ainít 75% correct. Itís way off on several pieces of land myself, my family, and friends own. Itís all over the place actually.


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Old 02-18-2019, 08:33 PM   #45
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The gentleman that Iím dealing with seems very honest. He sounded shocked when we let him know actual acreage. I think he went off of some one else word and havenít really looked in 7 years. Iím leaning towards he we go again looking for a lease.
So you think he bought 240 acres but paid for 400?

He is shocked because you actually found out the truth.

Don't be foolish enough to think he is an honest man.
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Old 02-18-2019, 08:43 PM   #46
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Price and area is out of line. 60 acres per Hunter in East Texas might not be bad but not at that price.
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Old 02-18-2019, 09:43 PM   #47
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Yep too high too crowded, don’t do it. Also- that county is generally full of sheep and goats, u might ask about the #’s on them.
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Old 02-18-2019, 10:28 PM   #48
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Trust your gut. Your son will get over it and it’s better to move on now than too late...
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Old 02-18-2019, 10:42 PM   #49
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Heck no.
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Old 02-19-2019, 08:29 AM   #50
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