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Old 02-01-2018, 08:42 AM   #1
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Exclamation Time To Get Serious About CWD

I just read an article in Whitetail Journal by Dr. David Samuel "It's Time to Get Serious About Chronic Wasting Disease" and I must admit, I'm stunned. While I can't find it online yet, I'm sure it is forthcoming.

I had no idea how bad, how contagious, and how dangerous this disease is. I also read an article in Drovers yesterday (CWD a Time Bomb for Agriculture?) about how the agriculture industry needs to sit up, pay attention, and move on this. CWD could devastate the ag and food industry.

You cannot wash it off plants or soil. It lingers for a very long time. It has a 100% mortality rate. It is highly contagious, spreading through food, water, and nasal contact. Cervids (Deer, elk, etc.) can carry it and spread for 2 years prior to showing signs of infection. NY Times reported that fire may be the only way to stop it - and that means killing every cervid in the zone and burning the bodies, plants, trees, and soil with fire.

Right now the experts are saying it is safe to eat CWD deer if it is well cooked, but a new study showed monkeys were infected after 3 years of eating uncooked CWD infected meat.
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Old 02-01-2018, 08:45 AM   #2
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Scary stuff. Especially the potential it has to wipe out deer, crops, etc
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Geez, I have not experienced it first hand but that sounds horrible.
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Old 02-01-2018, 08:48 AM   #4
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wonder if its contagious for humans, when I grill venison i like it rare to med rare.
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Someone will be along shortly to say false alarm.
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The fact that other primates (monkeys) were infected by the prions is a potential indication of a path of direct infection to humans---and the article I read in the American Vet Journal said neither freezing nor cooking kills the prions.
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Old 02-01-2018, 09:05 AM   #7
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I think they are sensationalizing it some, but I think it needs to be done to get people to pay attention. The deer farmers can't see past their profits and immediately talk down anything CWD related.

I don't know if CWD is ever going to be transmittable to humans, but I've done quite a bit of reading on prion diseases and we need to be paying attention.
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I don't think there is sensationalizing going on here. A Google search will show years of articles from vets and researchers about the seriousness of this.

I like my deer steaks med rare, too, but I'm not in a CWD area. If the deer comes from a CWD area, you might want to think twice about eating it.
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Old 02-01-2018, 09:17 AM   #9
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Put me in the "I don't know enough about it" camp. But I do make it a priority to take my deer to the check station if there is one near by, mandatory or not. The more info they can collect the better the information can be applied. I did take one doe outside of Tarpley this season. Right next to the ranch it was located on a couple of years back. Tests came back negative, so I can finally start feeding this deer to the family.
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How can we check if we're hunting in a CWD area?
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Old 02-01-2018, 09:21 AM   #11
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How can we check if we're hunting in a CWD area?
https://tpwd.texas.gov/huntwild/wild/diseases/cwd/
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Old 02-01-2018, 09:28 AM   #12
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My only concern would be if could make the jump from cervid to human. Mad cow is the same type of disease as CWD and it did make the jump to humans.
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My only concern would be if could make the jump from cervid to human. Mad cow is the same type of disease as CWD and it did make the jump to humans.
or to cattle.
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Old 02-01-2018, 09:42 AM   #14
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I am not someone to panic or by into sensationalism but I think this will be the end of hunting in Texas as we know it. Baiting, game ranches, breeding facilities, all of it will eventually have to go away. I know to some that sounds like sensationalism but if half the predictions come to be true that's the road we are heading down.
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Old 02-01-2018, 09:49 AM   #15
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The sky is not falling.
I live and hunt in a CWD endemic area. Our herds are doing fine. Not one person has ever been diagnosed with CWD, variant CJD is the human form, in our state. We manage a ranch that literally borders the WG&F facility where it was brought to study in the 60's. Yes elk and deer are affected , not one domestic animal, cattle etc has ever been diagnosed with CWD. The only way that CWD was infected in primates was through direct injection into their brain. We have lived with it for years, yes you will see some infected animals, but my thought is it has been around forever just lately recognized and studied. I have no doubt we have consumed CWD meat but as of yet no issues. Are area is ground zero for Wyoming, where it was brought to study and has been found to be endemic to our herds. Elk and deer numbers are not tanking, elk are at all time highs right now for population numbers.
Would I eat a noticeably sick animal , no way, but I also don't worry about eating any other animal I harvest.
We have had it for years living in our environment, no- ZERO- human cases of CWD or variant CJD.
If you want to feed brain or spinal matter to your cattle then yes you may need to worry, but to date the research showing a cross over via just eating CWD infected animals does not exist. The primate study has its flaws, look it up and read it.
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Old 02-01-2018, 09:57 AM   #17
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The sky is not falling.
I live and hunt in a CWD endemic area. Our herds are doing fine. Not one person has ever been diagnosed with CWD, variant CJD is the human form, in our state. We manage a ranch that literally borders the WG&F facility where it was brought to study in the 60's. Yes elk and deer are affected , not one domestic animal, cattle etc has ever been diagnosed with CWD. The only way that CWD was infected in primates was through direct injection into their brain. We have lived with it for years, yes you will see some infected animals, but my thought is it has been around forever just lately recognized and studied. I have no doubt we have consumed CWD meat but as of yet no issues. Are area is ground zero for Wyoming, where it was brought to study and has been found to be endemic to our herds. Elk and deer numbers are not tanking, elk are at all time highs right now for population numbers.
Would I eat a noticeably sick animal , no way, but I also don't worry about eating any other animal I harvest.
We have had it for years living in our environment, no- ZERO- human cases of CWD or variant CJD.
If you want to feed brain or spinal matter to your cattle then yes you may need to worry, but to date the research showing a cross over via just eating CWD infected animals does not exist. The primate study has its flaws, look it up and read it.
Thank you for your feedback and good write up.
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Old 02-01-2018, 10:01 AM   #18
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The sky is not falling.
I live and hunt in a CWD endemic area. Our herds are doing fine. Not one person has ever been diagnosed with CWD, variant CJD is the human form, in our state. We manage a ranch that literally borders the WG&F facility where it was brought to study in the 60's. Yes elk and deer are affected , not one domestic animal, cattle etc has ever been diagnosed with CWD. The only way that CWD was infected in primates was through direct injection into their brain. We have lived with it for years, yes you will see some infected animals, but my thought is it has been around forever just lately recognized and studied. I have no doubt we have consumed CWD meat but as of yet no issues. Are area is ground zero for Wyoming, where it was brought to study and has been found to be endemic to our herds. Elk and deer numbers are not tanking, elk are at all time highs right now for population numbers.
Would I eat a noticeably sick animal , no way, but I also don't worry about eating any other animal I harvest.
We have had it for years living in our environment, no- ZERO- human cases of CWD or variant CJD.
If you want to feed brain or spinal matter to your cattle then yes you may need to worry, but to date the research showing a cross over via just eating CWD infected animals does not exist. The primate study has its flaws, look it up and read it.
Mule deer and elk in Wyoming and whitetail deer in Texas are two completely different things.
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Old 02-01-2018, 10:18 AM   #19
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Mule deer and elk in Wyoming and whitetail deer in Texas are two completely different things.
I am definitely not in the "KNOW" on the CWD, but I do have a good buddy that is from Wisconsin and he said that it was blown way out of proportion.

EHD kills the deer a lot faster......
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Old 02-01-2018, 10:43 AM   #20
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Yes they are very different. Elk and mule deer use wintering areas that congregate deer and elk. Do your whitetails yard up for winter, probably not. Elk will winter in very large herds of thousands of animals. Don't you think that would be a CWD bomb waiting to happen. Our wintering areas are historically used every year for generations of herds, no massive die off yet due to CWD. Our largest loss of animals is usually due to harsh winter conditions and animals not having access to forage due to hard crusted snow. Mule deer have used the same wintering areas for generations also, no massive die off due to CWD.
What is the different with whitetail deer, the high fence ? Any time animals are congregated due to natural or unnatural circumstances there will be disease and population issues. Texas P&W is just starting to study this disease ,Wyoming has been studying it for decades. Colorado tried the kill every deer in an CWD area, it makes no difference, CWD prions stay in the environment.
Just think , maybe it's been here all along and just now recognized. Where are all the human positives?
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Actually, they are 3 completely different things.
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Old 02-01-2018, 11:00 AM   #22
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I have said it other places, I have said it here and will say it again.

The state finds CWD.

The state is afraid that ALL the animals will acquire it and die.

So the state attempts to kill ALL the animals. Isn't that we were afraid of in the first place?

At the same time the state acknowledges that the prions will be around for years without any real way to get rid of them in the now deer free area.

So tell me just what did the state accomplish?
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I have said it other places, I have said it here and will say it again.

The state finds CWD.

The state is afraid that ALL the animals will acquire it and die.

So the state attempts to kill ALL the animals. Isn't that we were afraid of in the first place?

At the same time the state acknowledges that the prions will be around for years without any real way to get rid of them in the now deer free area.

So tell me just what did the state accomplish?
Fear = regulation = revenue
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https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/art...2/#!po=46.2500

Seems to be a bit of a species barrier for the disease to jump currently, but disease processes are always evolving.
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Old 02-01-2018, 11:20 AM   #25
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I am not someone to panic or by into sensationalism but I think this will be the end of hunting in Texas as we know it. Baiting, game ranches, breeding facilities, all of it will eventually have to go away. I know to some that sounds like sensationalism but if half the predictions come to be true that's the road we are heading down.
I don’t think it will be the end of hunting although it will have a huge impact.
The first half of the 1900’s there were few deer around yet hunting survived. People will adapt to bird and small game hunting until the problem is solved. Perhaps this is where the silver lining of hogs is.
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So the state attempts to kill ALL the animals. Isn't that we were afraid of in the first place?
I don’t think this is what we are afraid of. I’m afraid of it making the jump to humans or cows and having a significant impact on our quality of life as humans.
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Old 02-01-2018, 11:38 AM   #27
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The sky is not falling.
I live and hunt in a CWD endemic area. Our herds are doing fine. Not one person has ever been diagnosed with CWD, variant CJD is the human form, in our state. ...not one domestic animal, cattle etc has ever been diagnosed with CWD. ... my thought is it has been around forever just lately recognized and studied. ...Elk and deer numbers are not tanking, elk are at all time highs right now for population numbers....
We have had it for years living in our environment, no- ZERO- human cases of CWD or variant CJD.
Wisconsin has had numerous cases of CJD affecting humans. Did it come from deer? No one knows because it takes so long to develop, and I would be willing to bet 100% of 'sconnies have had venison in their lives.

Cows don't get CWD, they get Mad Cow. It's different, but generally transmitted the same. And the implications of that are massive. So it does need to be studied.

Your one point though about all time high numbers. Elk are at all time highs most places, but Mule Deer have been dropping for 20+ years. Part of this is habitat destruction. They are trending very similar to the Sage Grouse. How do we know CWD doesn't have something to do with the dropping Mule Deer population as well?

Personally, I am in your boat and I agree, I think it's been around for hundreds of thousands of years, but we just discovered it now. Makes you wonder what else we haven't discovered yet...but I am not going to dismiss CWD because if we have only studied it for 20 years, we have no idea what it is capable of at this point.
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Old 02-01-2018, 11:51 AM   #28
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anyone who thinks that CWD has been around for thousands of years needs to read up on the Foothills Wildlife Research Station and the studies done there on scabbie infected sheep and the studies done in the same pens on mule deer fawns in the mid 60's. In the early years of CWD in the 70's and 80's every instance of CWD found in the US could be backtraced to Ft Collins and the research station.
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Old 02-01-2018, 11:52 AM   #29
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CWD has been being studied ever since researchers found sick deer at the Foothills Wildlife Research Station in the late 60,s. WAY more than 20 years.
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Here we go, again. CWD has been in the wild for FAR longer than it ever has been in a pen, yet everyone always blames the deer breeders for it. You people that say the breeders spread it all over are worse than Democrats. Animals in the wild have it, they migrate, they die, predators eat and carry off parts but you never hear about that. Just that breeders spread it and are the end all, be all. Everyone just calm down, the sky ain't falling yet....
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Here we go, again. CWD has been in the wild for FAR longer than it ever has been in a pen, yet everyone always blames the deer breeders for it. You people that say the breeders spread it all over are worse than Democrats. Animals in the wild have it, they migrate, they die, predators eat and carry off parts but you never hear about that. Just that breeders spread it and are the end all, be all. Everyone just calm down, the sky ain't falling yet....
I actually hadn't heard anyone on this thread blaming breeders or high fences yet.
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I actually hadn't heard anyone on this thread blaming breeders or high fences yet.
Other threads here and on other sites have.

Breeders, exotics, feeders. I'm sure the disease existed before all of these and more.

Now these may put animals in close proximity of each other like schools do to children.

I just have a real problem that the "cure" always seems to be to wipe out the wild herd.
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Old 02-01-2018, 02:33 PM   #33
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wonder if its contagious for humans, when I grill venison i like it rare to med rare.
This guy is an expert and while its not be scientifically proven it can happen he says you probably shouldn't be eating CWD positive deer. Its a very long podcast but well worth the listen just for the knowledge gained alone http://www.themeateater.com/podcasts...sting-disease/
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I actually hadn't heard anyone on this thread blaming breeders or high fences yet.
How bout you look at post 7, 14 and 16.....
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Old 02-01-2018, 02:42 PM   #35
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I think the issue isn't so much with the breeders breeding the deer in pens as much as importing and transferring all over. spreading the disease to places where it has never been before.
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I think the issue isn't so much with the breeders breeding the deer in pens as much as importing and transferring all over. spreading the disease to places where it has never been before.
Winner, Winner!.....but according to some, that never has, could or will happen.
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Here we go, again. CWD has been in the wild for FAR longer than it ever has been in a pen, yet everyone always blames the deer breeders for it. You people that say the breeders spread it all over are worse than Democrats. Animals in the wild have it, they migrate, they die, predators eat and carry off parts but you never hear about that. Just that breeders spread it and are the end all, be all. Everyone just calm down, the sky ain't falling yet....
I'm interested in this part. Can you point me to where you found that?
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How bout you look at post 7, 14 and 16.....


Nobody blamed anybody. And your response proved the point they were making.
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Old 02-01-2018, 03:55 PM   #39
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One of the world's foremost whitetail deer experts; Dr. Grant Woods, said in a study he's been involved with, that to stop or drastically slow the spread of CWD would be to stop the transportation of deer from pen to pen.
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Just like everything these days it’s taken to a level 10, when in reality it’s a 2
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I just read an article in Whitetail Journal by Dr. David Samuel "It's Time to Get Serious About Chronic Wasting Disease" and I must admit, I'm stunned. While I can't find it online yet, I'm sure it is forthcoming.

I had no idea how bad, how contagious, and how dangerous this disease is. I also read an article in Drovers yesterday (CWD a Time Bomb for Agriculture?) about how the agriculture industry needs to sit up, pay attention, and move on this. CWD could devastate the ag and food industry.

You cannot wash it off plants or soil. It lingers for a very long time. It has a 100% mortality rate. It is highly contagious, spreading through food, water, and nasal contact. Cervids (Deer, elk, etc.) can carry it and spread for 2 years prior to showing signs of infection. NY Times reported that fire may be the only way to stop it - and that means killing every cervid in the zone and burning the bodies, plants, trees, and soil with fire.

Right now the experts are saying it is safe to eat CWD deer if it is well cooked, but a new study showed monkeys were infected after 3 years of eating uncooked CWD infected meat.
Incineration will be in the near future for carcass disposal purposes.. It has already been talked about by TPWD, for a couple of years, according to my inside contact... This will be a huge hurdle.. Regulation out the wazoo...


And its a good thing I'm not a monkey..
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CWD is a natural deterrent to deer overpopulation. Its been around a lot longer than we have.

I was under the impression that CWD was found in high fence deer populations.

CWD has been creeping Southward for awhile.
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One of the world's foremost whitetail deer experts; Dr. Grant Woods, said in a study he's been involved with, that to stop or drastically slow the spread of CWD would be to stop the transportation of deer from pen to pen.
Dr Woods is pretty well informed.
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Old 02-01-2018, 04:14 PM   #44
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I am not someone to panic or by into sensationalism but I think this will be the end of hunting in Texas as we know it. Baiting, game ranches, breeding facilities, all of it will eventually have to go away. I know to some that sounds like sensationalism but if half the predictions come to be true that's the road we are heading down.
Missouri is a CWD watch zone, feeders, mineral sites, were banned by the state
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Old 02-01-2018, 05:15 PM   #45
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There is no evidence at all that the disease has been around forever. Most evidence indicates the CWD disease began when mule deer were put into the sheep scrapie pens in Colorado whereby genetically-susceptible animals acquired the prions and the disease was transformed into a new cervid-adapted form (similar to the way the people acquired variant CJ disease from Mad Cow). The best evidence that the disease has not been around forever is that in every single area that the disease has been identified, the infection rate has increased, both in spacial and temporal terms. If the disease would have been around forever, we would see much higher prevalence rates (and geographic spread) than we do currently.

Also, someone above incorrectly stated that the research monkeys only acquired the disease after direct injection into the brain. Two of 5 monkeys acquired the disease after only consuming meat from an infected animal (no brain matter or neurological tissue).
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Seriously, not doubting those who have read and researched this...it's a topic that will produce more and more scrutiny in the future. Problem...who or what source can you trust with data? I see this as potential added propaganda for the Anti-Hunter organizations as well??

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Sounds like the climate change chicken little theory.
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Someone will be along shortly to say false alarm.
Somebody will mostly likely say show us where it has eliminated a population segment, and everyone will look around and then go on to another thread
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CWD has been being studied ever since researchers found sick deer at the Foothills Wildlife Research Station in the late 60,s. WAY more than 20 years.
Where is that info on the NM white sands deer release that explains CWD there.
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I'm interested in this part. Can you point me to where you found that?
Yeah, it was found in Colorado in 1967. It wasn't found in Texas, in WILD mule deer, until 2011. Wasn't found in a deer pen in Texas until 2015. Maybe you experts can explain how a mule deer in far west Texas spread CWD to a pen deer near Tarpley over a 4 year time period??
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