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Old 11-07-2017, 09:03 PM   #1
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My wife asked me whatís a good sleeping bag for my Christmas present- a really good one for Montana-cold since the plan is to retire there there next year.

I was looking at KUIU and their 0 degree bag is $700- and weighs 2.5 pounds. The REI Magma10 is $350 and 2 pounds. What other options should I look at for a 0 degree bag if Iíll be packing it?


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Old 11-07-2017, 09:04 PM   #2
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I'd recommend a home!


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Old 11-07-2017, 09:06 PM   #3
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What season you hunting? If bow, a 30-40* bag will work. If weather turns sour you can streatch the same bag with aliner and if need be sleep in your clothes. Using a 0* or neg rated bag in sept will not only be heavy but will swat you out of it most years.
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Old 11-07-2017, 09:08 PM   #4
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I use two medium bags during muzzleloader, one for thermal barrier and one to sleep. During cold weather I use a mummy bag with thermal barrier

I also don't backpack in so weight isn't an issue for me. Not sure if this helps or not
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Old 11-07-2017, 09:09 PM   #5
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Old 11-07-2017, 09:11 PM   #6
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Two bags.. a 20 degree main rectangular bag with another 20 mummy bag on the inside. I've done this twice while in Colorado and was sweating and had to sleep in underwear.
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Old 11-07-2017, 09:20 PM   #7
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Old 11-07-2017, 09:23 PM   #8
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Those mummy bags wont let you turn/roll a like a square one will. Just FYI.
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Old 11-07-2017, 09:25 PM   #9
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Western mountaineering makes the best down bags IMHO. I've had a 25 degree Alder bag for 10+ years. It's all I use in CO archery season and here in Texas all winter.. They have lots of size and temp choices.

http://www.westernmountaineering.com/sleeping-bags/

They are located in San Jose so maybe you already know about them.
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Old 11-07-2017, 09:26 PM   #10
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So I've done a lot of Mountain hunts and have never used a zero degree bag. As others have stated that would be a very limited late season bag.

I have a Big Agnes 30 degree bag that works in about 80% of the conditions I would be in. For the other 20% of the time, I can add a liner and/or a bivy sack to it and get it down to a zero degree bag. I've been out in weather that was in the single digits and did not get cold with this setup.

I'd also point out that the R value of your sleeping pad is very critical to how well your bag will perform.
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Old 11-07-2017, 09:27 PM   #11
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Nevermind.. I read ur post again. Don’t look at the Butler Bag for packing.. it’s heavy.
Maybe a feathered friends bag?
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Old 11-07-2017, 09:39 PM   #12
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What season you hunting? If bow, a 30-40* bag will work. If weather turns sour you can streatch the same bag with aliner and if need be sleep in your clothes. Using a 0* or neg rated bag in sept will not only be heavy but will swat you out of it most years.

Also, if it does happen to get really cold you can always toss a couple hot hands in the bag about 30 min before you crawl into it and it will ease the coldest of nights
Op....absolutly no need for a bag that's several hundred bucks
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Old 11-07-2017, 09:40 PM   #13
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If you're packing it and really expecting temps below the teens, get a Western Mountaineering Versalite 10 degree bag.


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Old 11-07-2017, 09:40 PM   #14
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Best sleeping bags I've ever used were Holliday Inn! I know, Iknow- absolutely no help, just haven't been been able to control the smart arse impulses lately.
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Old 11-07-2017, 09:42 PM   #15
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What season (how cold?)? Are you going to be in a tent? If so, I would encourage you to stay away from down bags. Down is very warm and very light, but you HAVE TO KEEP IT DRY. Once down gets wet it loses its loft and has ZERO insulating properties. You have to be very careful with it. Tent condensation. A leak in your tent roof or floor. Sweat. If you are going to be hunting in temps that stay well below zero then it's not a bad choice b/c things won't be too wet, just frozen. But even then you have to baby it and that's not something I'm willing to do. A synthetic bag will be heavier (~ 4lbs, depending on temp rating) but there is so much less to worry about. With synthetic, If you get caught in some precipitation, you can just crawl in your bag with those wet clothes and even wet boots on and your body will dry out the clothes so you are ready to go in the morning. The bag will be damp, but it will still keep you warm.

My advice is to buy a Kifaru slick bag and forget about it. It's not going to be cheap, but it is absolutely bomb proof. They have a -20F, 0F and a 20F and I'd say their temp ratings are pretty spot on. I personally use the 20F, regular length, wide (5'11"; 190lbs). I sleep cold and was perfectly fine in it camped in WY in Sept for archery elk. It was down to 23F several nights. I also have the Kifaru Woobie, which is great down to about 40F and/or glassing. I didn't new to do it, but if the temps got really low then I can add the woobie inside my bag and essentially it becomes a 0F sleep system.

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Old 11-07-2017, 09:42 PM   #16
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Bags usually advertise 20 degrees lower than is actually comfortable in it.
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Old 11-07-2017, 09:45 PM   #17
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Those mummy bags wont let you turn/roll a like a square one will. Just FYI.
This was a big issue for me so I went with the Dunns Creek by Coleman. Its a 20 degree bag and if I need more I will get a liner.

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Old 11-07-2017, 09:50 PM   #18
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So I've done a lot of Mountain hunts and have never used a zero degree bag. As others have stated that would be a very limited late season bag.

I have a Big Agnes 30 degree bag that works in about 80% of the conditions I would be in. For the other 20% of the time, I can add a liner and/or a bivy sack to it and get it down to a zero degree bag. I've been out in weather that was in the single digits and did not get cold with this setup.

I'd also point out that the R value of your sleeping pad is very critical to how well your bag will perform.
Agree with the big agnes 30. Thats what I run right now! I like the versatility.
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Old 11-07-2017, 09:52 PM   #19
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How will you use it? Cabin, spike camp, backpack hunting? My first trip to Colorado elk hunting, I brought my +35 degree bad to Pagosa Springs, 2nd rifle season. The first night I slept a total of about 30 minutes as I had to roll every few minutes bc it was so cold. Ice formed on the bottom of my cot that night. It was miserable and I contemplated not going up the mountain or going to town to buy another bag, but that would mean I would miss the horseback ride up the mountain and have to walk solo. I was able to score a pad, and some plastic to put between my bag and cot. I was still pretty miserable the entire hunt and spent some coin when I got home prepping for the next year. The right bag is worth all the money you can spend on it.
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Old 11-07-2017, 10:14 PM   #20
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I think i have this one but overall they make good inexpensive bags

https://www.tetonsports.com/Sleeping...-Regular-0.htm
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Old 11-07-2017, 11:00 PM   #21
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A true zero degree bag is pretty hardcore if you are in a good tent. I have a North Face Snow Leopard 0 degree bag. In Kyrgyzstan in -20F in a cabin heated by a small pile of horse dung... couldn’t even zip it up without sweating. Lol
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Old 11-07-2017, 11:07 PM   #22
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Those mummy bags wont let you turn/roll a like a square one will. Just FYI.
I HATE mummy bags. I feel trapped and it freaks me smooth out.
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Old 11-07-2017, 11:07 PM   #23
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Look no further:

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Old 11-07-2017, 11:11 PM   #24
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I HATE mummy bags. I feel trapped and it freaks me smooth out.
Same.. I recently ordered a Feathered Friends Condor 20.. They can fill it with 950 down to make it more like a 10-15 degree bag, which is what I did.. I think it's the lightest true rectangular bag on the market

But ya, look at WM and FF.. They are the best out there
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Old 11-08-2017, 12:09 AM   #25
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Great information- thanks!
I need to talk to my son living in MT about min temp.

I never heard of Western Mountaineering in SJ. I checked their location and I pass 1/2 mile from it on my morning commute daily. Iím going to check them out.


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Old 11-08-2017, 12:26 AM   #26
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Bill, you might consider a military bivvy system. Cordura/GoreTex shell with two bags inside each other that zips together. Rated for a foxhole and down to witches hiney crack cold combined but can be individualized for warmer temps. The bivvy sack is nice to use in place of a tent.
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Old 11-08-2017, 12:59 AM   #27
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Great information- thanks!
I need to talk to my son living in MT about min temp.

I never heard of Western Mountaineering in SJ. I checked their location and I pass 1/2 mile from it on my morning commute daily. Iím going to check them out.


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Also check out Enlightened Equipment https://www.enlightenedequipment.com/

I have their 0į quilt and have no issues with it, can just pull it off if I get too hot and lay on it, but everyone is different.
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Old 11-08-2017, 01:07 AM   #28
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Going to be hiking in get you a good lightweight bag and just as importantly get you a really nice sleeping pad it makes a world of difference in sleep quality. If not hiking in get you a nice big thick comfy bag fron bass pro or cabelas and call it good


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Old 11-08-2017, 01:29 AM   #29
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Kifaru, western mountaineering or Big agnes depending on you budget
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Old 11-08-2017, 01:38 AM   #30
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I bought a cheap Hyke & Byke duck down bag for Colorado coming up in a week, will let you know how it does. It's pretty toasty on my bed at home is all I can say, not the lightest and probably junk honestly but also not $800 either. I also have my main base camp bag that I've always used, big *** Coleman rectangle. So if the pack bag is garbage I can always survive in base camp.
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Old 11-08-2017, 03:18 AM   #31
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Western mountaineering makes the best down bags IMHO. I've had a 25 degree Alder bag for 10+ years. It's all I use in CO archery season and here in Texas all winter.. They have lots of size and temp choices.

http://www.westernmountaineering.com/sleeping-bags/

They are located in San Jose so maybe you already know about them.
I was going to say Marmot, but THIS^^^
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