Passenger forcible removed from flight

[Ætheling]

No you're not. It is interesting that a pilots wife seems to understand more about how the news media handles stories better than some on here though.

It has been mentioned that the passenger had already been escorted off the plane once before, and then ran back onto the plane, BEFORE the video piece that is being shown in the news. I guess the real truth will all come out at some point, and the "news" will still be guilty of sensationalism.

Im kidding about the sammich thing. I am not kidding about her having nothing more than a little anecdotal testimony to offer. She just states something that you agree with, doesn't make it accurate.

What makes her an expert? She hears stories from her husband and his friends?

Ill leave it at this as Im not down to getting into heated arguments about this. It comes down to opinion. Your opinion is he got what he deserves. My opinion is that civil liberties in this country are being eroded and that the airline and the LE were dead wrong and Im sick of seeing the erosion. My opinion, nothing more, nothing less.

[mighty]

im kidding about the sammich thing. I am not kidding about her having nothing more than a little anecdotal testimony to offer. She just states something that you agree with, doesn't make it accurate.

What makes her an expert? She hears stories from her husband and his friends?

Ill leave it at this as im not down to getting into heated arguments about this. It comes down to opinion. Your opinion is he got what he deserves. My opinion is that civil liberties in this country are being eroded and that the airline and the le were dead wrong and im sick of seeing the erosion. My opinion, nothing more, nothing less.

exactly

[Ironman]

Im kidding about the sammich thing. I am not kidding about her having nothing more than a little anecdotal testimony to offer. She just states something that you agree with, doesn't make it accurate.

What makes her an expert? She hears stories from her husband and his friends?

Ill leave it at this as Im not down to getting into heated arguments about this. It comes down to opinion. Your opinion is he got what he deserves. My opinion is that civil liberties in this country are being eroded and that the airline and the LE were dead wrong and Im sick of seeing the erosion. My opinion, nothing more, nothing less.

Airline protocol and civil liberties have absolutely nothing to do with each other. The constitution mentions nothing about the right to fly. Nice try though.

[RodinaRanč]

"Technically"? Lol...and we should take you at your word on what you will make? Can I borrow your time machine? I need to get some winning lotto numbers.

You don't need a time machine...just to understand airline & financial markets a lil better i never said take my word for anything....educate youself before you spew....OR ...talk in generalities, even when asked for specifics.....yaaawwnn!!

[Ætheling]

Airline protocol and civil liberties have absolutely nothing to do with each other. The constitution mentions nothing about the right to fly. Nice try though.

My civil liberties exist EVERYWHERE I go Ironman. The government might **** all over them every chance they get and in an airport is the most obvious example of that but no corporation or govt is allowed to bash a human being's head open without that person first enacting violence on someone else. Now if he had been at some point criminally trespassing because he wasn't allowed by law to be on that flight than they could of restrained him and removed him without doing what they did. The airline and the govt infringed on his civil liberties and Im sick of it. Im glad he did what he did and I hope people start doing more of this to let them know its not ok.

[str8shooter]

https://thepilotwifelife.wordpress.c...t-flight-3411/

Great read. Thanks! Pretty much heard the same thing from my sister who is a flight attendant.

[Jaybo31]

Airline protocol and civil liberties have absolutely nothing to do with each other. The constitution mentions nothing about the right to fly. Nice try though.

Exactly. He wasn't forcefully removed because he wouldn't give up the seat, he was removed when he became a threat by being belligerent and combative. He was removed by security not UA personnel. They dont pick and choose who goes, its computer generated. And no I'm not going by the wife story posted, I have a friend who is a pilot. Said this whole story is so twisted its not even funny.

[str8shooter]

My civil liberties exist EVERYWHERE I go Ironman. The government might **** all over them every chance they get and in an airport is the most obvious example of that but no corporation or govt is allowed to bash a human being's head open without that person first enacting violence on someone else. Now if he had been at some point criminally trespassing because he wasn't allowed by law to be on that flight than they could of restrained him and removed him without doing what they did. The airline and the govt infringed on his civil liberties and Im sick of it. Im glad he did what he did and I hope people start doing more of this to let them know its not ok.

Technically, if the Good Doc did in fact leave the airplane and exit the jetway into the waiting area, then dashed back down the jetway and back onto the plane, he was trespassing in a restricted area. At that point he is then considered a threat to the safety and well being of the crew and passengers still on the airplane.

[BlackHogDown]

Great read. Thanks! Pretty much heard the same thing from my sister who is a flight attendant.

I'm a rec pilot myself with many friends in the airline industry (pilots/attendants). Figured there was a second side to the story...

[Ironman]

My civil liberties exist EVERYWHERE I go Ironman. The government might **** all over them every chance they get and in an airport is the most obvious example of that but no corporation or govt is allowed to bash a human being's head open without that person first enacting violence on someone else. Now if he had been at some point criminally trespassing because he wasn't allowed by law to be on that flight than they could of restrained him and removed him without doing what they did. The airline and the govt infringed on his civil liberties and Im sick of it. Im glad he did what he did and I hope people start doing more of this to let them know its not ok.

You obviously missed the part where he was ALREADY removed from the plane, and THEN he ran back on. It was after that happened that the video started. The "news" isn't mentioning that, but I guess you can believe what they tell you. In other words, yes, he was criminally trespassing.

[Ætheling]

Technically, if the Good Doc did in fact leave the airplane and exit the jetway into the waiting area, then dashed back down the jetway and back onto the plane, he was trespassing in a restricted area. At that point he is then considered a threat to the safety and well being of the crew and passengers still on the airplane.

But that's not why he was originally removed via a skull drag. I don't argue that the guy seems to have a shady past and by all account is a bad person or that his running around like he did doesn't show he might be a bit crazy. My issue is how the corporation handled this and how the LE handled this. The invisible hand of the market has also decided the same.

[Ætheling]

You obviously missed the part where he was ALREADY removed from the plane, and THEN he ran back on. It was after that happened that the video started. The "news" isn't mentioning that, but I guess you can believe what they tell you. In other words, yes, he was criminally trespassing.

He ran back on bloodied after the incident. You got proof otherwise lets have it. Oh and not some random pilots wife's anecdotal testimony please.

[Ironman]

He ran back on bloodied after the incident. You got proof otherwise lets have it. Oh and not some random pilots wife's anecdotal testimony please.

No,no. He had already been removed prior to the video ever being started. Many passengers have already stated this. The bloody face part was his third boarding.

[Ætheling]

No,no. He had already been removed prior to the video ever being started. Many passengers have already stated this. The bloody face part was his third boarding.

Here is the timeline in the news and that the majority of people state to include the airlines not disputing.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-intersect/wp/2017/04/11/the-full-timeline-of-how-social-media-turned-united-into-the-biggest-story-in-the-country/?utm_term=.a55ccbf5c1b5

"Many passengers" not sure where you are getting this from.

[str8shooter]

J Sweet, like I've said before, what is missing here is about 10-20 of interactions between the passenger, the flight crew and the security staff. We don't know what happened prior to the "Drop and Drag". What is starting to come clearer as more facts are known is that at some point the passenger did in fact leave the plane without incident. He was more than likely going to be placed on another flight and pocket some cash to boot. Then, he apparently, from some reports, ran back down the jetway and back onto the plane. That's where the passenger crossed the line and therefore escalated the event because at that point he was conceivably trespassing and posed a threat to the other passengers and crew still on the plane. But, like I said, we don't know what happened in those 10-20 minutes prior to the "Drop and Drag" so all this bickering about who's right and who's wrong is rather pointless. Very amusing, but pointless.