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Old 05-18-2018, 05:06 PM   #1
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If you were shooting steel, pigs, and varmints under 100 yds (iron sights), would you rather have a 223 (1:9 twist) or a 7.62x39?


...in regards to this gun if you're curious: http://cz-usa.com/product/cz-527-carbine-223-rem/
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7.62x39 if you're throwing hogs into the mix. I've shot hogs in the body with a .223 and it didn't even slow them down.
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Thse work pretty well at 55 graiins. Seems like the 70s would be a nice increase

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223 for ammo variety alone. Killed hundreds with that caliber
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Old 05-18-2018, 07:28 PM   #5
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7.62x39! Blast some pigs
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Old 05-18-2018, 07:42 PM   #6
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From reading the specs I would go with the .233 since it states it wont perform properly with brass ammo on the 7.62. Why limit yourself.


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Old 05-18-2018, 07:47 PM   #7
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I was all about the 7.62 before I read .311 bore.
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Old 05-18-2018, 07:48 PM   #8
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From reading the specs I would go with the .233 since it states it wont perform properly with brass ammo on the 7.62. Why limit yourself.


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Thatís a valid point! Maybe someone has some real world experience with ammo selection.
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From reading the specs I would go with the .233 since it states it wont perform properly with brass ammo on the 7.62. Why limit yourself.


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I noticed that but there are a ton of reviews on Midway and everyone seems to have good luck with their CZ's on steel and brass cartridges.
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Old 05-18-2018, 11:21 PM   #10
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Thse work pretty well at 55 graiins. Seems like the 70s would be a nice increase



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Except those do best when shot lite and fast for caliber, I would expect 55ís to do better that 70ís in 223
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Old 05-19-2018, 12:29 AM   #11
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7.62 x 39 for hogs and cheap plinking!
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Old 05-19-2018, 09:53 AM   #12
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Wolf makes a steel cased 154 grain soft point that is a pig death ray. I shoot it in ar that I put together. Killed 2 big hogs, a coyote, and a few other varmints in the last two weeks. It expŗnds on the small stuff but hold together on the pigs.
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Old 05-19-2018, 10:19 AM   #13
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. It expŗnds on the small stuff but hold together on the pigs.
Please explain how that works?
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Old 05-19-2018, 10:25 AM   #14
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Please explain how that works?
Expanding and "holding together" are not mutually exclusive. I believe Mr. Nosler started that trend in the '40s and others have been "improving" on it ever since.
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Wolf makes a steel cased 154 grain soft point that is a pig death ray. I shoot it in ar that I put together. Killed 2 big hogs, a coyote, and a few other varmints in the last two weeks. It expŗnds on the small stuff but hold together on the pigs.
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Old 05-19-2018, 01:33 PM   #16
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agreed 7.62 for hogs. don't get me wrong .223 have cheaper rounds and can still put down a hog but you have to put a couple in the big ones to succeed. The 7.62 has soo much more knock down power and in my opinion is the ideal caliber for hogs.
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Old 05-19-2018, 01:59 PM   #17
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No brainer 7.62. But don't go with an Ar platform. Stick with an Ak.
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No brainer 7.62. But don't go with an Ar platform. Stick with an Ak.


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Old 05-19-2018, 04:43 PM   #19
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Old 05-19-2018, 09:15 PM   #21
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DBKeeling, what ammo are you using for your hog hunts?
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Old 05-20-2018, 10:57 AM   #22
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Old 05-20-2018, 08:55 PM   #23
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I prefer 223. Seems u have to lead a running hog quite a bit with 7.62
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Old 05-20-2018, 09:06 PM   #24
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With that that gun 7.62x39. You said 100 yards 7.62 all day long. Plenty of Ammo. I don’t think you can regret that combo in x39. It was my dream gun for years.
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Old 05-20-2018, 09:45 PM   #25
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DBKeeling, what ammo are you using for your hog hunts?


Appears most are head shots do doesnít matter as much
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Old 05-20-2018, 10:00 PM   #26
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Hornady soft point that comes in red box will work them over. 50 rounds per box
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Old 05-20-2018, 10:09 PM   #27
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I ain't ever put a soviet rd thru an ar-platform, but doubt the shoot tighter than OUR cartridge/weapon bolt guns a hole nother ballgame though

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Old 05-21-2018, 03:37 PM   #28
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Having killed hogs with both I would say the 7.62 has a pretty big advantage. Federal is making their fusion ammo in that caliber now along with several other companies. It just hard to beat a 30 cal.
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Old 05-21-2018, 08:17 PM   #29
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The more I think about my kids shooting it, the more I lean 223
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Old 05-22-2018, 11:10 AM   #30
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The more I think about my kids shooting it, the more I lean 223
sounds about right.
either is fine... 7.62 packs a little more punch inside 100.
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Old 05-23-2018, 08:13 AM   #31
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If I had one my 7.62x39 would be my favorite Ar.
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Old 05-23-2018, 08:56 PM   #32
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DBKeeling, what ammo are you using for your hog hunts?


69 gr sierra boattail hollowpoints, Iíve been reloading all my ammo and without my notes in front of me I couldnít tell you how many grains of IMR 3031 Iím using right now.


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Old 05-25-2018, 07:45 PM   #33
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69 gr sierra boattail hollowpoints, Iíve been reloading all my ammo and without my notes in front of me I couldnít tell you how many grains of IMR 3031 Iím using right now.


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Whats the twist of your barrel?

I've got a 1 in 7 and wondering about that round in it?
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Whats the twist of your barrel?



I've got a 1 in 7 and wondering about that round in it?


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Old 05-26-2018, 12:23 PM   #35
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100 yards ><
Off the shelf FMJ 55gr. 223 & 123gr. grain 39
39 more knock down, slower, 2+ times bigger projectile, 30%ish cheaper to shoot.
223 more penetration, faster, smaller projectile, tumbles more, more shrapnel.
IMO they are about the same for shooting worthless hogs but 39 cost less.
When in doubt? Empty the magazine.
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100 yards ><
Off the shelf FMJ 55gr. 223 & 123gr. grain 39
39 more knock down, slower, 2+ times bigger projectile, 30%ish cheaper to shoot.
223 more penetration, faster, smaller projectile, tumbles more, more shrapnel.
IMO they are about the same for shooting worthless hogs but 39 cost less.
When in doubt? Empty the magazine.
Hard to argue with sound logic
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To expand my statement on the 154 gr. Wolf ammo. It expands enough to hammer yotes and trash pandas. Shoulder shoot a 200 pound plus hog and it will usually get a pass through. That won't happen if the bullet blows up or over expands.
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69gr Sierra hpbt under the ear will keep him from eating fawns and scaring the does away


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If you were shooting steel, pigs, and varmints under 100 yds (iron sights), would you rather have a 223 (1:9 twist) or a 7.62x39?


...in regards to this gun if you're curious: http://cz-usa.com/product/cz-527-carbine-223-rem/
Are you talking about this bolt action CZ 527? Whether to get it in 7.62x39 or 223?
That ammunition is 70 gr. 556x45 & the CZ 527 is 223. I think it's OK to shoot 556 out of a 223 bolt action rifle but I wouldn't go any "hotter" than 64 gr but that's me. I not trying to be a jerk but why buy a bolt action rifle instead of a semiautomatic 223 or 7.62x39 rifle for shooting hogs that close.

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Are you talking about this bolt action CZ 527? Whether to get it in 7.62x39 or 223?
That ammunition is 70 gr. 556x45 & the CZ 527 is 223. I think it's OK to shoot 556 out of a 223 bolt action rifle but I wouldn't go any "hotter" than 64 gr but that's me. I not trying to be a jerk but why buy a bolt action rifle instead of a semiautomatic 223 or 7.62x39 rifle for shooting hogs that close.
The cz 527 shoots 5.56 and 223. No offense taken. I like the looks and feel of the gun. I like all the cz's I've had and think AR's are ugly (though I appreciate them) ...no other reason than that.
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i was very surprised yesterday, ive had ars in 7.62 and passed them off quick, but traded for a ruger bolt 7.62x39 n shot it for the first time yesterday. Hornady black and rem corelokt both shot under a inch 5 shot 100 yd groups with my old aac cyclone on it!! Body shots on hogs I prefer more than 223 gives especially at night, though barnes tsx and 77 gr sierra hps do fairly well. I prefer my 277 wolverine at night its killed lots of big hogs with body shots at night. will say also though that a 24" 223 hits a good bit harder than a 16"!!

I have been eyeballing a cz527 7.62 and now that I got the ruger I will for sure b adding it to the safe
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The cz 527 shoots 5.56 and 223. No offense taken. I like the looks and feel of the gun. I like all the cz's I've had and think AR's are ugly (though I appreciate them) ...no other reason than that.
Understood. Uncle Reem-Us issued me a M16 back in 76 I thought they were great. Later on in life I bought an AK. Now I think an AK is a far better general purpose weapon than a M-16/AR-15 plus they both make good clubs when empty.
Switchin' gears, as far as accuracy? The SKS is the goodest semiauto IMO. Yes Sir ARs & AKs are both funky looking. The SKS is a work of art IMO. BUT nothing is priddier than a wood stock bolt action rifle. (Remington 700, Browning BAR, Winchester 70) No I'll take that back a S&W (non MIM) revolver is a work of art! Wait...……. Uh never mind?
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The cz 527 shoots 5.56 and 223. No offense taken. I like the looks and feel of the gun. I like all the cz's I've had and think AR's are ugly (though I appreciate them) ...no other reason than that.
I have been eyeballing one of the little cz 527 carbines in 7.62x39 for months now just haven't quite convinced myself I need it just yet. Plan is to throw a vortex viper pst 1-4x24 I bought a while back on it for the perfect little throw around truck gun. Compact lightweight and plenty of power for any critter in Texas.
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I have been eyeballing one of the little cz 527 carbines in 7.62x39 for months now just haven't quite convinced myself I need it just yet. Plan is to throw a vortex viper pst 1-4x24 I bought a while back on it for the perfect little throw around truck gun. Compact lightweight and plenty of power for any critter in Texas.
I hear ya. Plus the single set trigger is awesome.
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Just out of curiosity, have you considered the 527 in 6.5 grendel? It beats both 5.56 and 7.62x39 as a hunting round in my opinion, and youíre only giving up just under a 1/2# in weight vs the carbine.
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Just out of curiosity, have you considered the 527 in 6.5 grendel? It beats both 5.56 and 7.62x39 as a hunting round in my opinion, and youíre only giving up just under a 1/2# in weight vs the carbine.
I owned one.... http://discussions.texasbowhunter.co...ght=Cz+527+6.5

It was an awesome little gun
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I owned one.... http://discussions.texasbowhunter.co...ght=Cz+527+6.5

It was an awesome little gun
Very nice. I just wish you could get the grendel in LH
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Howdy,
The old RF has (3) 7.62X39 AR's made by Bear Creek Arsenal. There's pig blasing and reveiws of those rifles on the Ranch Fairy Channel - You Tube.
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I hemmed and hawed around when I decided to buy them....but what tipped me over? Outfitters. You see a ton of night vision guys and pig outfitters shooting...guess what? .30 Caliber. I shoot 90% Tul ammo because its easily available at Academy. But all 3 guns are zeroed with 123 Grain Hornady SST, in case someone deer hunts with it. That bullet at that speed (moderate) is pure expansion magic. 90% head shots on pigs, so ammo doesn't really matter.
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Old 06-20-2018, 02:25 PM   #49
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7.62x39 if you're throwing hogs into the mix. I've shot hogs in the body with a .223 and it didn't even slow them down.

I've got a .223 contender that's probably killed as many pigs as any gun in Texas...ÖÖ.
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Well, I didn't end up with either. I ended up getting the CZ 557 in 243.
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