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Old 09-19-2018, 09:37 PM   #51
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Didnít realize he was 22. Bad comparison, my bad. If he has all this money why not stay between the lines? Iím sure he easily could have. Itís a pretty moronic move.


Heís not 22 but even at 30 I would have been fine taking anyone home from a bar assuming there were 21 or older.


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Old 09-19-2018, 09:40 PM   #52
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If, and it would be a huge freaking if, some government agency was responsible for this, then that would make them parties to the sexual assault of a child. I guess stranger things have happened but that seems like a mighty long stretch.
I'm sure they have done WAY worse

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Old 09-19-2018, 09:44 PM   #53
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He’s not 22 but even at 30 I would have been fine taking anyone home from a bar assuming there were 21 or older.


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I wouldn’t think any less of some one who did under these circumstances. But this is not even close to how this went down
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Didnít realize he was 22. Bad comparison, my bad. At 34 I see no reason for me being with a girl that age drinking or not. Actually probably worse if she was drinking under age. If he has all this money why not stay between the lines? Iím sure he easily could have. Itís a pretty moronic move.
I believe he is over 30
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Old 09-19-2018, 09:48 PM   #55
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You couldnít see yourself at 22 going home with a 17 year old who was at a bar drinking?


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Heís not 22 and she wasnít at a bar drinking.
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Heís not 22 and she wasnít at a bar drinking.


But he said he could never see himself in bed with a teenager.


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Old 09-19-2018, 09:59 PM   #57
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Iím not 22 and I donít go drinking in bars or with crowds that young so no.this is way off course so Iím just gonna leave it at that

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Old 09-19-2018, 10:10 PM   #58
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WTH is a 3D printed gun?
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Old 09-19-2018, 10:20 PM   #59
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the fact that at least half of you aren't sure that the government isn't involved isn't exactly a vote of confidence.....
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The facts are what they are, and what is recorded. The girl is underage and by accounts picked up on a website known for prostitution. Even if he were targeted for defamation is the act any less?

At 30 18 year old women did not have my attention. I do not judge though, if barely legal and 'like' is your favorite word go for it. Make sure to get an ID pic before you do it or throw the dice on felony jail time.

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Old 09-20-2018, 06:09 AM   #61
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Old 09-20-2018, 06:21 AM   #62
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They obviously have evidence that she told him her age and he proceeded to move forward with the transaction. Otherwise this wouldn't be a problem. She put herself in the situation to begin with so if it were me I'd throw the case out. She's a little whore so who cares? They're a dime a dozen these days. Start busting your kid's *** when they dress like a tramp and act inappropriately and you'll never see this happen to them. Simple as that.

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Old 09-20-2018, 06:42 AM   #63
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If he hasn't been arrested then he hasn't been convicted yet. Except in the court of public opinion...

If they really have all this evidence then it'll be real hard to defend against this.
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Old 09-20-2018, 07:49 AM   #64
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They obviously have evidence that she told him her age and he proceeded to move forward with the transaction. Otherwise this wouldn't be a problem.
Whatever she tells him her age is does not matter. All that matters is she was under 17. She could have told him she was 30 and showed him a fake ID. Still against the law.

You might could get lucky and get a jury that wouldn't convict you if you had proof she told you she was older but this guy ****** off too many people to be that lucky.
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Old 09-20-2018, 08:31 AM   #65
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1. The girl was 17 at the time. In one story I read (Austin American Statesman) she sent him pictures of her while nude. Does that mean she will be arrested for transmitting child ****? I havenít heard anything about that.
Actually she can be charged with distributing child ****ography. Lots of kids are doing it these days with the cell phone mom & dad gave them but never monitor. If/when it's discovered they can be charged at the discretion of the feds. Unfortunately the feds seldom do charge the kids (maybe because if they do, the kid becomes labeled a sex offender for the rest of their lives) but I wish they would. If they took a hard stance even if just for a while, maybe it would deter some of these stupid kids.
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Old 09-20-2018, 08:44 AM   #66
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Thats pretty sophisticated for a 16 year old. She would have to know he engaged in prostitution, know that he frequented a particular site, know his username and force him to send her messages.

Nothing there indicates he knew she was underage, but he wasn't duped into hiring a prostitute.
Ooor she could have been well coached/paid by SOMBODY who did the leg work
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Old 09-20-2018, 09:40 AM   #67
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So, this little innocent young lady registers as a client on a whore website, sells her goodies, commits child **** crimes and there is no mention of any consequences for her actions.
Sure, if this guy knew she was a minor he should spend time in prison. He should face scrutiny and shame from family and friends but this chick needs to pay some sort of price for her actions as well.
^I have to agree.
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Old 09-20-2018, 10:47 AM   #68
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Where are all the other charges on the rest of her customers?
I'm curious about this as well. Was this her first "client"? If not, every single one of those guys should be in the same boat.
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Old 09-20-2018, 11:12 AM   #69
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There is no way in hell that the government would let a minor send naked pics and have sex with a 30 something year old man. As stated above they would also be liable for the sex crimes. However if they found out after the fact that it happened doesn’t mean they did not offer her immunity for her testimony. How many undercover cops pretending to be prostitutes show any skin at all before arresting the “John”? Absolutely zero, so there is no way they would let a 16yr old girl do it.
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There is no way in hell that the government would let a minor send naked pics and have sex with a 30 something year old man. As stated above they would also be liable for the sex crimes. However if they found out after the fact that it happened doesnít mean they did not offer her immunity for her testimony. How many undercover cops pretending to be prostitutes show any skin at all before arresting the ďJohnĒ? Absolutely zero, so there is no way they would let a 16yr old girl do it.





Wait so you mean the govt doesn't make folks disappear? I mean they would be guilty of murder!?!


Personally though my setup comment was more related to special interest groups with an agenda.....
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Old 09-20-2018, 11:23 AM   #71
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Wait so you mean the govt doesn't make folks disappear? I mean they would be guilty of murder!?!


Personally though my setup comment was more related to special interest groups with an agenda.....

Iím not saying that at all. Believe it or not but making someone disappear would be a lot less exposure than what is being said about this man being set up. I just refuse to believe that even our corrupt government would go as far as putting a child in danger in this manner.
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Old 09-20-2018, 11:43 AM   #72
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So, this little innocent young lady registers as a client on a whore website, sells her goodies, commits child **** crimes and there is no mention of any consequences for her actions.
Sure, if this guy knew she was a minor he should spend time in prison. He should face scrutiny and shame from family and friends but this chick needs to pay some sort of price for her actions as well.
Based on this evidence, if I was a juror, I would not vote to convict, unless he knew her true age.

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creating sugardaddymeet.com account brb
Did your 'research' turn up anything?
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yes, they said with my income level, id have better luck on farmersonly
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Old 09-20-2018, 12:19 PM   #75
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I don't feel sorry for him, he's guilty of it anyway you look at it. Could it be a setup? Sure. But look at the levels it would have to get to...the federal government would have to recruit a 16 year old juvenile to engage in sex acts with an over 30 male, hack him to find out his username and then make the connection. Then they would have to make her keep quiet in an age where these kids post everything on social media. I just don't buy it.

This was the media telling the story based on an affidavit from Austin PD, not a wild story made up by the media. Is it fishy? Yeah but usually the easy answer is the correct answer.

Last, they could press charges on her for child ****ography because they're not within 2 years of age of each other (that's when sexting with a minor is legal), however how would that look when they are prosecuting the "victim" of this crime? No way they bring charges on her. Bottom line is even if this was a setup, he was stupid enough to fall for the bait and has it coming.
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Old 09-20-2018, 01:00 PM   #76
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Last, they could press charges on her for child ****ography because they're not within 2 years of age of each other (that's when sexting with a minor is legal)
Where are you getting this info? Has this changed? In the cases Iíve heard of at a local school district they asserted that charges could be filed.
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Where are you getting this info? Has this changed? In the cases Iíve heard of at a local school district they asserted that charges could be filed.
Scroll to the bottom, it's under (f)(3)

Sec. 43.25. SEXUAL PERFORMANCE BY A CHILD. (a) In this section:

(1) "Sexual performance" means any performance or part thereof that includes sexual conduct by a child younger than 18 years of age.

(2) "Sexual conduct" means sexual contact, actual or simulated sexual intercourse, deviate sexual intercourse, sexual bestiality, masturbation, sado-masochistic abuse, or lewd exhibition of the genitals, the anus, or any portion of the female breast below the top of the areola.

(3) "Performance" means any play, motion picture, photograph, dance, or other visual representation that can be exhibited before an audience of one or more persons.

(4) "Produce" with respect to a sexual performance includes any conduct that directly contributes to the creation or manufacture of the sexual performance.

(5) "Promote" means to procure, manufacture, issue, sell, give, provide, lend, mail, deliver, transfer, transmit, publish, distribute, circulate, disseminate, present, exhibit, or advertise or to offer or agree to do any of the above.

(6) "Simulated" means the explicit depiction of sexual conduct that creates the appearance of actual sexual conduct and during which a person engaging in the conduct exhibits any uncovered portion of the breasts, genitals, or buttocks.

(7) "Deviate sexual intercourse" and "sexual contact" have the meanings assigned by Section 43.01.

(b) A person commits an offense if, knowing the character and content thereof, he employs, authorizes, or induces a child younger than 18 years of age to engage in sexual conduct or a sexual performance. A parent or legal guardian or custodian of a child younger than 18 years of age commits an offense if he consents to the participation by the child in a sexual performance.

(c) An offense under Subsection (b) is a felony of the second degree, except that the offense is a felony of the first degree if the victim is younger than 14 years of age at the time the offense is committed.

(d) A person commits an offense if, knowing the character and content of the material, he produces, directs, or promotes a performance that includes sexual conduct by a child younger than 18 years of age.

(e) An offense under Subsection (d) is a felony of the third degree, except that the offense is a felony of the second degree if the victim is younger than 14 years of age at the time the offense is committed.

(f) It is an affirmative defense to a prosecution under this section that:

(1) the defendant was the spouse of the child at the time of the offense;

(2) the conduct was for a bona fide educational, medical, psychological, psychiatric, judicial, law enforcement, or legislative purpose; or

(3) the defendant is not more than two years older than the child.
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Old 09-20-2018, 01:14 PM   #78
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To limit liability to the website, I am sure the terms of service probably requires that you represent yourself as 18 or older. The affidavit doesn't contain any information that he did or did not know her true age. Unfortunately, that isn't a defense.

17 is legal in Texas but 30yo on a less than 22yo seems cringeworthy.

Once you hit 30 the following formula applies

1/2 your age + 7 years = youngest you are allowed to "date"
Never really did the math but seems about right.
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I wonder what David Hogg has to say about this ... I'm sure he was there.
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So, do you think Brett Kavanaugh sex scandal is legit too or just another made up scandal?

They couldn't stop this guy from distributing his product one way or another.... Isn't it odd that he would take his eye off the "ball" for something like this? Just saying, maybe its a way to keep him from sharing his ideas around the world.
Brett K. was set up because people like him... but any time the media throws out the word "child" or under aged sex...or the likes.. the person is auto guilty and needs to be hung.... And God forbid someone defend the guy facts or no facts or you're a pervert also!

Just think how many times you hear "wait for facts to judge" or wait for jury to decide...But not on these threads. People get too emotional and let the media play them.
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Scroll to the bottom, it's under (f)(3)

Sec. 43.25. SEXUAL PERFORMANCE BY A CHILD.
This law deals with consent/intercourse. That's a totally different law. The one regarding sending/receiving images is a child ****ography law.
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Old 09-20-2018, 02:33 PM   #82
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Whatever she tells him her age is does not matter. All that matters is she was under 17. She could have told him she was 30 and showed him a fake ID. Still against the law.
If I am 17 and go into a bar, tell them I am 30, show them a fake ID, and I get caught. Wouldnt I get in trouble? Not the bar. Why would it be different here?
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Iím not saying that at all. Believe it or not but making someone disappear would be a lot less exposure than what is being said about this man being set up. I just refuse to believe that even our corrupt government would go as far as putting a child in danger in this manner.
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Have you seen or listened to politicians lately?
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LOL

I heard this happened on the day Burt R. died. So maybe it doesn't count.
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If I am 17 and go into a bar, tell them I am 30, show them a fake ID, and I get caught. Wouldnt I get in trouble? Not the bar. Why would it be different here?
It is the way the law is written.

"Generally speaking, a person commits the crime of statutory rape when he or she is over a certain age and has sex with a person under a certain age (the statutory age of consent), even if the underage person consented to have sex. Statutory rape is usually a ďstrict liabilityĒ crime, meaning that the intent or state of mind of the offender is irrelevant. So long as he or she had sex with someone under the statutory age of consent, he or she has committed the crime. So, what the offender thought, including what he or she thought was the victimís true age, does not matter and will not be the basis of a defense to the crime."

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y Lenore Skenazy . . . Even Zach Andersonís probation officer wanted him off probation, but the judge ruled no. Zachís one night of consensual teen sex means he still cannot live at home, drink alcohol, leave his county, or walk by a pre-school. He had hoped to get off probation on the 8th, but an early Christmas was not to be. Instead, the Elkhart, Indiana, 22-year-old will continue to live under probationís strict rules until spring.

That means he cannot use the internet for anything other than schoolwork. He is forbidden to live with his family, as they reside near a dock, and children could ó conceivably ó gather there. He is not allowed to drink alcohol or make any purchase over $200 without pre-approval from his probation officer. He must be home between 9 p.m. and 6 a.m. every day. He is not allowed to ďgo or beĒ within 500 feet of a park, pre-school or municipal pool. He cannot leave his county without first obtaining his probation officerís permission. Zach is also required to notify the officer of any dating relationship he pursues.

All for sleeping with a girl when he was 19 who said she was 17 (but turned out to be 14).

On Friday, Anderson appeared before Judge Angela Pasula in Niles, Michigan. His probation officer told the judge that Zach had done all that was required of him and even got good grades. For the officer, it was a slam dunk: Zach had served two years of probation already and now merited release. The officer had gone so far as to fill out the termination papers. (This is not to be confused with Zachís probation officer in Indiana, who almost derailed Zach about a month ago. Details here.)

The judge said no.

Her reasoning, according to Zachís father, Lester Anderson, was that she never allows anyone in Zachís situation early release. Instead, Zach must earn his freedom.

Zachís situation is this: When he was first tried for his crime ó and the girl and her mother both pleaded with the judge to drop the case, arguing that there was no way Zach could have known the girlís real age ó Judge Dennis Wiley gave Zach 25 years on the sex offender registry, along with no internet privileges. But when his case hit the front page of the New York Times, he got a new sentencing. As the South Bend Tribune explains:

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That makes sense Adam. I want to say something similar happened to LT.

The guy was pretty high profile, could have been a number of antigun organizations in that area that could have gone after him.
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You conspiracy theorists need to take a seat. The dude looked in to a sketchy website and ordered a woman. There was no mind control or government entrapment involved.
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Is this guy on the run now? Thought I read that it appeared he had skipped the country and was suspected to be in Thailand.
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Is this guy on the run now? Thought I read that it appeared he had skipped the country and was suspected to be in Thailand.
Taiwan. He is now in custody.
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Whatever the charge...he has pervert covered.
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The way I see it is anybody guilty of Twerking should be charged with producing simulated sexual conduct. You see this on Jerry Springer all the time and kids are watching because it's on TV. This is of course unless you are a democrat. And then it's all OK.
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You conspiracy theorists need to take a seat. The dude looked in to a sketchy website and ordered a woman. There was no mind control or government entrapment involved.
That's about it! I had not looked at this thread in a few days......wow!!!!

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Old 09-24-2018, 07:38 AM   #94
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Whatever the charge...he has pervert covered.
U ain't never lied!!!

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