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Old 09-20-2019, 10:59 AM   #1
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Since we are so close to hunting season I wanted to start a thread asking what everyone's arrow setups for this fall are. I am slowly working my way into the Traditional world and I have figured out how much more drastically arrow weight and spine comes into play for tuning over a compound. I will not be hunting with the recurve this season, but just am curious how everyone's arrows have played out.

Right now I am pulling 45lb right at about 28". Got some gold tip traditionals in 400 spine the other day. Currently they are uncut so 32" with 125g field tip and just the regular insert. I have the gold tip insert weight system and a test kit for field points coming in next week so I am going to see if I can add some weight up front in order to cut them down some.
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Old 09-20-2019, 11:10 AM   #2
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2 set ups
30" cedars with zwickey up front (730gr total)
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Old 09-20-2019, 11:11 AM   #3
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48# at 27" draw - past center cut recurve (Black Window PCH)

28.825" length Carbon Express Heritage 150s (.500 spine)
3 fletch 4" parabolic RH Turkey feathers
S nock Nocturnal lighted nock.
50 grain brass insert
175 grain Simmons Tiger Shark screw in broadhead.

Total arrow weight 540 grains for a 11.25 gpp setup.

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Old 09-20-2019, 11:30 AM   #4
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50# at 28" I draw 27" so call it 48#

Easton axis trads 400 spine cut to 29.5"
75 gr insert
162 gr palmer extreme cut broadhead
10 gr goldtip ballistic collar
total weight +/- 575
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Old 09-20-2019, 11:43 AM   #5
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55# at my draw

Gold Tip 340 Blems full length 32.5

100gr brass insert

200gr cutthroat screw in broadhead

total weight around 663gr

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Old 09-20-2019, 01:26 PM   #6
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400 spine Easton Full Metal Jackets 30.25 inches
200 gr Cutthroat broadhead
4 feathers w/3in fletching

Shooting Stalker coyote 52 lbs at draw
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Old 09-20-2019, 08:04 PM   #7
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50# bow GT 400. 30" 300 grain Tuskers.

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Old 09-21-2019, 08:14 AM   #8
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50@27
29.5” Gold Tip Traditional 400
100 grain insert and 175 grain Tigersharks
575 grains total
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Old 09-21-2019, 08:49 AM   #9
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28.5" Douglas fir and 135 gr Tigersharks...560 gr total. 43# at my draw Kanati longbow.
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Old 09-21-2019, 03:38 PM   #10
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63 lbs @ 33", full length Easton Axis Trad 340's, 80 grain Gold Tip Steel half outsert, 200 grain VPA 1 1/4" cut 3 blade.

Total arrow weight around 600 grains I think
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Old 09-21-2019, 04:36 PM   #11
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Both my Primaltech long bow and my Tall Tines recurve at 55@28. About 51lbs or so at my 26.75" draw length.
My Black Eagle Vintage arrows are 400s cut to 30.5". I'm running 150 grains up front on them with the standard aluminum inserts. Three, four inch, left helical feathers.
Arrow Total Weight (grains) 462.5
Arrow Specific Weight (GPP) 9.2
Front of Center (FOC) % 15.9

I've also got some Beaman center shot 340s I've got set up with 3 four inch fletch, standard inserts and 175 grains up front.
Arrow Total Weight (grains) 505.8
Arrow Specific Weight (GPP) 10
Front of Center (FOC) % 17
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Old 09-21-2019, 05:03 PM   #12
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I’ll be the odd one lol, 48 lb bows shooting Easton 2016’s cut 29” with aluminum insert n 145gr points
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Old 09-21-2019, 08:53 PM   #13
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62” hybrid longbow
44#@28”
31” Easton Traditional Only 400 spine 9.1 GPI
3 - 5” right helical feathers
Arrow wrap
100 grain brass insert
175 grain BH
490 grain total arrow weight
11.14 GPP grains per pound draw weight
21.8% FOC
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Old 09-22-2019, 12:29 AM   #14
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Current setup is Easton Axis FMJ (5mm), 29Ē, 3-4Ē parabolic feathers, 75gr brass insert, and 150gr point/broadhead.

Total arrow weight is 506gr, with a 20.7%FOC.

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Old 09-22-2019, 04:33 PM   #15
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I mis-typed! That should have said 534gr total arrow weight.

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Old 09-23-2019, 08:33 AM   #16
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29" cedar shafst, 5" traditonal cut turkey feathers with stone points.
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Old 09-23-2019, 01:49 PM   #17
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Based on the setups similar to mine it looks like if I want to cut my arrows down a bit ill definitely need to add a bunch of weight up front. I have the gold tip inserts and field point test kit coming in today so looking forward to messing around with them.
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Old 09-23-2019, 02:30 PM   #18
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2 set ups here, not sure which one im going to be hunting with mainly

Tradtech Titan Ilf riser with 47# Uukha limbs
arrow specs-400 spine Black Eagle Zombie Slayers
31''
50 grain insert
150 grain VPA 2blade broadhead
total arrow weight 475 grains with lighted nocks as well

that is my fastest setup ive ever ran but I have hybrid omega longbow that is spitting out

31'' beman isc bowhunters 400 spine
100 grain insert
125 grain 2 blade magnus stingers

total arrow weight is 450
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Old 09-23-2019, 02:43 PM   #19
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Black Widow PL longbow, 44lb at my 28" draw.

500 spine Gold tip Trads cut to 30.25",
11 gr aluminum insert,
205 gr Simmons safari broadhead
reflective wrap,
5" helical fletching.
total arrow weight 510 gr.
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Old 09-23-2019, 08:35 PM   #20
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Man I need to up my arrow weight.. need to dig up the specs again but I'm more around 400grs with a 31 inch arrow and 100 gr broadhead, 4 4inch feathers.
Sammick sage 40#@28
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Old 09-23-2019, 09:11 PM   #21
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Widowmaker Smash .300
31.25" BOP
175gr Bishop right single bevel broadhead
3 X 4" Marco Vanes
640gr OAW
9.2 GPP
14.4% FOC

Bow 69.5# @ 29.5"

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Old 09-24-2019, 10:24 AM   #22
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Beman ICS 400
VPA300 gr 3 blade or Tuffhead 300
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Old 09-24-2019, 10:57 AM   #23
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Man I need to up my arrow weight.. need to dig up the specs again but I'm more around 400grs with a 31 inch arrow and 100 gr broadhead, 4 4inch feathers.
Sammick sage 40#@28
Exactly why I wanted to start this thread and see what everyone has found that works for them. I'm currently in the boat with you and am shooting a light arrow. Right now i'm around 430g total I believe. Afraid the 400 spines I got are going to be too stiff even with a bunch of weight up front, but we will see.
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If you are in the 9 to 10 gpp range you are fine. You can go heavier but there comes a point of diminishing returns. I like my FoC to be above 15% but not more than 20%.
Now if you're shooting 65+lb and going after Cape Buffalo then the heavier arrows an FoC are needed but most North American big game not so much.

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Old 09-24-2019, 05:34 PM   #25
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Exactly why I wanted to start this thread and see what everyone has found that works for them. I'm currently in the boat with you and am shooting a light arrow. Right now i'm around 430g total I believe. Afraid the 400 spines I got are going to be too stiff even with a bunch of weight up front, but we will see.
literally if your arrow is tuned and flows beautifully off the string their is no reason to up the weight, I had a full pass thru on a mature doe with a 425 grain arrow two years ago, she died 30 seconds later with a 47# longbow....especially if its a custom or modern setup, they don't need a stupid heavy arrow, but hey if you want to do it by all means do it....I like my arrows around 450-475 because that's just the weight ive always used and I like the flight path and im used to the certain arrow path also....
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Old 09-24-2019, 05:40 PM   #26
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I actually have a question for you trad guys about arrows. Hopefully not threadjacking, just kind of...digging deeper.

How do you actually go about selecting an arrow for a trad bow? Where do you start?
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I actually have a question for you trad guys about arrows. Hopefully not threadjacking, just kind of...digging deeper.

How do you actually go about selecting an arrow for a trad bow? Where do you start?


Itís really not that different than a compound. Some guys paper tune, some bare shaft tune. You let tuning tell you exactly what to do. After you have been at it a while you get to where you know about what will work for you, you start with that, and then just fine tune to get it perfect. Itís all about proper spine, and we use arrow length and point weight to adjust for a perfect tune.

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Itís really not that different than a compound. Some guys paper tune, some bare shaft tune. You let tuning tell you exactly what to do. After you have been at it a while you get to where you know about what will work for you, you start with that, and then just fine tune to get it perfect. Itís all about proper spine, and we use arrow length and point weight to adjust for a perfect tune.

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Hey Bisch, thanks. So does that mean you should probably have a good idea of what broadhead you want to shoot before picking an arrow?
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No! You can change point weight and arrow length to make the arrow spine match the bow.

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literally if your arrow is tuned and flows beautifully off the string their is no reason to up the weight, I had a full pass thru on a mature doe with a 425 grain arrow two years ago, she died 30 seconds later with a 47# longbow....especially if its a custom or modern setup, they don't need a stupid heavy arrow, but hey if you want to do it by all means do it....I like my arrows around 450-475 because that's just the weight ive always used and I like the flight path and im used to the certain arrow path also....
Good to know! I'm not used to one way or another right now and i'm still feeling out what I like. This is my first year shooting trad so i'm just trying to soak in all the knowledge I can get.
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Old 09-27-2019, 12:17 PM   #31
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54@28 Sarrels Lynx Recurve
31-31.5” Beman 400 Centershots
Factory 4” parabolic 3fletch

Arrow Front load #1
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Old 09-30-2019, 03:56 PM   #32
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Off brand aluminum riser, Hoyt carbon glass limbs, 64" bow, 53@30"

Bloodsport Hunter 500 shafts, un-cut 31 1/4"

50gr brass insert
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Old 09-30-2019, 04:55 PM   #33
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Hoyt satori 17" with TT carbon extreme 45lb longs
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Beaman MFX classics 500s full length 31 1/4
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I figured that I will just pull the field points out of my practice arrows and screw in some broadheads of the same weight.
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So, updated question from the resident newbie - I ordered some arrows that I thought were fletched. Turns out they are not fletched - womp womp. So, I have uncut/no insert Black Eagle Vintage arrows that are feather/vaneless.

I'm wondering; how do you guys determine how to set up the back end of your arrows? I've done some reading that says helical vaning produces the best broadhead stabilization. But, specifics are hard to come by.
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What spine?

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Hey Gary - 500 spine (bow is a Samick Sage with 40lb limbs)
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The back end of my arrows just get 3 feathers glued on with right helical (because thatís what my fletching jig is) and itís done! Tune for true flight, using shaft length and point weight, and you donít have to do anything special to the back end of the shaft.

Also, if you are brand new to trad shooting, donít get too hung up on tuning. Itís very likely that a lot of things will change as you learn proper form and settle in a groove that fits you. Just make sure you have an arrow that flys relatively straight, then as you learn more, concentrate more on getting perfectly tuned!

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Hey Gary - 500 spine (bow is a Samick Sage with 40lb limbs)
Awe shucks. If they were 400s I'd buy them from you and you could buy some fletched shafts.
The back end of myvfeathers are 1&1/4" from the valley of my nock. I shoot 3 four inch feathers.

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I just switched today to Widowmaker Smash .400 spine shafts. Full length (34"), with a 44gr outsert and a 145gr field point/150gr broadhead, and 3-4" parabolic feathers. Total arrow weight is 534gr/539gr. Not sure on FOC, but I'd bet it is lower than my FMJ's were because of how long the shafts are. I have never had better bare shaft performance from any other bow/arrow combination I have ever tried!!!

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Anyone interested in joining me at the ASC in Mansfield, for shooting and friendship?
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I just switched today to Widowmaker Smash .400 spine shafts. Full length (34"), with a 44gr outsert and a 145gr field point/150gr broadhead, and 3-4" parabolic feathers. Total arrow weight is 534gr/539gr. Not sure on FOC, but I'd bet it is lower than my FMJ's were because of how long the shafts are. I have never had better bare shaft performance from any other bow/arrow combination I have ever tried!!!

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You're gonna love those shafts more & more as time goes by.

Best arrow shafts I have ever used by far. I just wish Mick could get his US dealerships lined back out.

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Anyone interested in joining me at the ASC in Mansfield, for shooting and friendship?
First of all - what's ASC? I live up near you..

Second, I would do this if it were not for a week of the wife's late shift and my ankle-biting hooligans driving me batty..
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You're gonna love those shafts more & more as time goes by.



Best arrow shafts I have ever used by far. I just wish Mick could get his US dealerships lined back out.



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There is a dealer in Dallas. He goes by TexKing on here. You can PM him for any Widowmaker shafts or broadheads you may need! I work on his ranch in London. If you want more info, let me know!!!!

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I will preface this by starting that I prefer to spend my limited time shooting rather than messing with gear. My bias is to have a point-on around 40yds and would like my arrows to weigh 500grn+ (56# @ 29Ē). That can generally be achieved in a variety of different combinations.

I start by bare shaft tuning at 20yds to get the arrows close, then add feathers (now tradvanes) and work my way back shooting from 10yds to 60yds. If they appear to fly good, I shoot some broadheads. If the broadheads fly well, I forget about it until I change bows or can no longer get some component of that arrow combination.

In college we would tune until we could group our bare shafts with our fletched arrows at 70meters. Iíve never had the ability or rather patience to really tune bare shafts shooting off the shelf. As mentioned above as long as my broadheads appear to fly well, I turn my attention to my shooting.

Current setup Axis 260shafts, 51grn black eagle insert, 4-3Ē tradvanes, 150Ē cutthroat. 531grn.


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There is a dealer in Dallas. He goes by TexKing on here. You can PM him for any Widowmaker shafts or broadheads you may need! I work on his ranch in London. If you want more info, let me know!!!!

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Thanks !!!

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All three bows are unstrung and in storage. Ops tempo at work for the next 7 months is 120% above normal. No hunting this year. All those arrows, all that work tuning and shooting this spring and summer... in storage.

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60Ē 54@28 Sarrels Lynx Recurve
31.25Ē Beman 400 Centershots
Factory 4Ē parabolic 3fletch

Arrow Front load #1
18gr aluminum insert
250gr Abowyer single bevel brown bears
Glory Nocks Blue 22 gn
OAW 600gn
FOC: enough

I paper tuned tonight and it was interesting the difference that a 9 gn factory H nock caused versus a 22 gn illum nock whether or not I shot bullets holes (w/22gn Glory nock) or shot lateral tears (w/9gn factory H nock). Since Ive only got 3 illum nocks and wanted more practice nocks (and I dont think Colorado allows lighted nocks), I cut a piece of threaded 8-32 screw thread and hot glued it into a factory 9gn H nock to make the nock 23 gn. Now the altered factory H nock arrows punch (closer to) bullet holes. Im looking forward to some bareshaft shooting but need to build a few more altered nocks. I like testing/tuning with several arrows for variance purposes.

I had a doe jump my arrow at 11 yds WT opening evening and I felt compelled to retest and reevaluate my system since last post. Carrying on Boss.
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Old 10-04-2019, 02:13 AM   #50
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All three bows are unstrung and in storage. Ops tempo at work for the next 7 months is 120% above normal. No hunting this year. All those arrows, all that work tuning and shooting this spring and summer... in storage.

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