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Old 05-10-2018, 11:04 PM   #1
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Default Mass shooting in Australia

However, the media labels it ďMass tragedyĒ.

Biased, maybe?




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Old 05-10-2018, 11:06 PM   #2
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Guns are not allowed in Australia. A shooting is impossible.
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Old 05-10-2018, 11:33 PM   #3
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Guns are not allowed in Australia. A shooting is impossible.
I was thinking the same thing.
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Old 05-10-2018, 11:35 PM   #4
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I was thinking the same thing.
If you always think the same thing as me, people will think you're a freaking genius.
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I don’t think you can have certain guns like handguns or AR style. There was someone on TBH from Australia that talked about only having a lever 30-30.
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I donít think you can have certain guns like handguns or AR style. There was someone on TBH from Australia that talked about only having a lever 30-30.


You canít have rifled shotguns either.


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Crikey mate! Someone didn't follow the rules.
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Old 05-11-2018, 08:26 AM   #8
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Crikey mate! Someone didn't follow the rules.
You mean someone out to kill people and then themselves would not follow the rules?

I just don't understand.
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Old 05-11-2018, 08:39 AM   #9
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I am shocked this took place in the safest place with NO guns and lots of gun laws. . . .
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Old 05-11-2018, 08:41 AM   #10
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Bless those Families
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Old 05-11-2018, 08:44 AM   #11
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Worst mass shooting since 1996 - Seems like a better record than ours, no ?

How does that stack up proportionately according to population?
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Old 05-11-2018, 09:02 AM   #12
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Maybe Australia should look at banning guns.....












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Worst mass shooting since 1996 - Seems like a better record than ours, no ?

How does that stack up proportionately according to population?


Thatís not the point. Everyone wants to compare the US to them (you canít), but when it does happen, they donít call it a mass shooting.
Iím just merely pointing out the bias in the media.


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Old 05-11-2018, 09:14 AM   #14
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Guns are not allowed in Australia. A shooting is impossible.
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I don’t think you can have certain guns like handguns or AR style. There was someone on TBH from Australia that talked about only having a lever 30-30.
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I am shocked this took place in the safest place with NO guns and lots of gun laws. . . .
http://time.com/4172274/what-its-lik...t-gun-control/

Apparently you can own them but they have licenses per style of firearm so if you want to own multiple types (shotgun, pistol, rifle) you're going to need a lot of licenses and the requirements to keep your license are pretty involved...but it is possible. From the article:

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Category A is .22s, shotguns and air rifles. That’s the easiest license to obtain. No semiautomatics are allowed.

Category B is for center fire rifles. You have to provide a reason for why you need a more powerful gun. I shoot feral pigs and foxes; that’s a valid reason. Again, no semiautomatics.

Category C is available only to farmers; they can own a semiautomatic shotgun or .22 but the cartridges are limited to five shots for the shotgun and 10 shots for the .22.

Category D, for semiautomatic guns and rifles, is only for professional shooters: you have to have a registered business and prove that you are earning an income through shooting.

An H license is for handguns. If you want to buy a pistol in Australia you’ve got to be a member of a target pistol club. You’ve got to do a minimum of eight competition shoots per year to keep your license. If you don’t, you lose it.

Category G is for collectors. For that you’ve got to attend at least one meeting per year.

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Old 05-11-2018, 09:19 AM   #15
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Worst mass shooting since 1996 - Seems like a better record than ours, no ?

How does that stack up proportionately according to population?
They never had very many gun issues before the ban. It was triggered by one mass shooting. Everything they've done since then has been designed to prevent another one. Oh well, I guess that failed.


But, in my opinion it is not a gun issue, it is a cultural issue. Our culture has a tendency to produce more of these types of things, but its not do to guns. Take guns away and they will use pressure cookers as bombs or vehicles to run people over. I think the point of all this is well made........You can't solve violence by going after guns. Guns are simply the method. You must address the root cause, not the method
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Old 05-11-2018, 09:22 AM   #16
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They never had very many gun issues before the ban. It was triggered by one mass shooting. Everything they've done since then has been designed to prevent another one. Oh well, I guess that failed.


But, in my opinion it is not a gun issue, it is a cultural issue. Our culture has a tendency to produce more of these types of things, but its not do to guns. Take guns away and they will use pressure cookers as bombs or vehicles to run people over. I think the point of all this is well made........You can't solve violence by going after guns. Guns are simply the method. You must address the root cause, not the method
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Old 05-11-2018, 09:24 AM   #17
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They never had very many gun issues before the ban. It was triggered by one mass shooting. Everything they've done since then has been designed to prevent another one. Oh well, I guess that failed.


But, in my opinion it is not a gun issue, it is a cultural issue. Our culture has a tendency to produce more of these types of things, but its not do to guns. Take guns away and they will use pressure cookers as bombs or vehicles to run people over. I think the point of all this is well made........You can't solve violence by going after guns. Guns are simply the method. You must address the root cause, not the method
Well 7 dead in a mass tragedy or shooting over a 20+ year span is a number I would take anyday over what we deal with now.

And I DONT agree with taking away guns.
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Old 05-11-2018, 09:30 AM   #18
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Well 7 dead in a mass tragedy or shooting over a 20+ year span is a number I would take anyday over what we deal with now.

And I DONT agree with taking away guns.
I agree with this, but Australia was never a very violent culture anyways. Its not like they had mass shootings every week and suddenly solved it by banning guns.

The reason this is relevant is because everyone points to them as having completely solved their gun violence (without mentioning the fact it was pretty non existent to begin with).
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Old 05-11-2018, 09:38 AM   #19
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Worst mass shooting since 1996 - Seems like a better record than ours, no ?

How does that stack up proportionately according to population?
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Old 05-11-2018, 09:50 AM   #20
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Speaking of cultural differences this is interesting. Only 10.6% of Australian households are single parent. Conversely the US is 31%. Could there be a connection? Hmmm....
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Old 05-11-2018, 09:51 AM   #21
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Perspective.

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United States of America/Population (2017)
325.7 million (2017)
Size:
3.797 million mi≤
All United States
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Population of Australia (2017)
24,450,561 million (2017)
Size:
2.97 million mi≤
Australia/Area

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Old 05-11-2018, 10:04 AM   #22
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I had not heard about this one. Prayers for all the individuals affected, a lot of destroyed families following such acts. I will pass on attempting to find issues & comparisons.
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Old 05-11-2018, 10:05 AM   #23
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Old 05-11-2018, 10:07 AM   #24
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Sad news for those involved and the ones who love them
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Old 05-11-2018, 12:07 PM   #25
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I know the point of this was talking about gun control and how idiotic it is. And as others have pointed out, Australia is different from the US.

But, let's look at Australia's media vs our media in this as well as the gun angle. We are criticizing their media for labeling it as a tragedy, etc. I'll admit I haven't looked to see how publicized this is but I'm assuming it isn't widespread news and the article above doesn't mention names, weapon, etc. AND it states nothing confirmed. Now let's look at what happens when it happens here. EVERY media outlet wants to be first and starts throwing everything under the sun out there as fact with no consequences for being wrong or making the shooter famous, etc. If I'm correct that what we see above is the level of reporting on this, that will have much more to do with it not happening again. How many of our shootings are because it is the cool thing to do so to speak and people want to be remembered for something/get their 15 minutes of fame?

I know I'm rambling but wanted to throw it out there and compare our media to their media along with the gun debate.
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I would suggest that the same TBHers—who condemned American politicians for so quickly stepping over the Las Vegas and other dead bodies to talk about politics—not be so quick to talk about Australian politics.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o..._homicide_rate

I found this very interesting


Sort chart by rate

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