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Old 02-19-2018, 10:38 AM   #1
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Default Are the 270 and 30-06 Calibers the Best Option for any Hunting Scenario?

While these calibers are undoubtedly two of the most popular calibers ever, are they still the best option out there for any scenario, or are they just a good "do everything" type of caliber?

For example, if you are hunting whitetail, then it seems there are several other calibers that will kill them just as dead but with less recoil.

If you are hunting elk, it seems there are several other calibers that have more knock down power and long range capability.

It seems like they are decent at everything but not the BEST option for any specific situation.

I can see buying one of the two calibers if you are looking for a caliber that you can use on all North American game, but are they really the best choice for any specific hunting application?

Also, I am not interesting in "ammo availability and price" types of debates. I think it is undeniable that you can find ammo in pretty much every town in these two calibers.

I guess, another way to phrase my question, is when would you recommend a 270 or 30-06 over another caliber?

Disclaimer - I own a 270 and it is my favorite gun I own, but largely in part due to sentimental value.
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Old 02-19-2018, 10:42 AM   #2
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I think you answered your own question regarding their being relevant. For all the reasons you listed they are still relevant. Someone just getting into the "sport" of hunting and isn't wanting to buy a gun for every species then heck ya I am recommending one of those two calibers.
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Old 02-19-2018, 10:44 AM   #3
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I would recommend them both over most short action rounds for hunting muleys out to several hundred yards. And also would recommend them both for elk 400 and in as well. They fit into that niche nicely. They are a little over kill for texas whitetails but great on slightly bigger animals. But muleys are much bigger and I like having that extra energy. They would also make great caribou cartridges.


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Old 02-19-2018, 10:47 AM   #4
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Yea... but... if you don’t have a 6.5 creedmore you can’t tell everyone about it.
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Old 02-19-2018, 10:52 AM   #5
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The average person can go to any sporting goods , buy a gun in either caliber and go harvest a deer, hog, javelina or turkey anywhere in Texas. You can also find guns in this caliber in a affordable price range that any working class guy can afford .
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No, only the 3006. 270 is great, but don't offer the heavy weights. The 3006 is the greatest non dangerous game cartridge ever devised. One caliber that can do it all without beating you up. Also it is available in just about every action type. If there is a gun chances are it comes in 06. So the real question is why would anyone recommend anything else?
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Old 02-19-2018, 10:56 AM   #7
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I'm the other way around. 270 yes, 30-06 no. Your shoulder pays for the inefficient design every time you pull the trigger.

270 is a phenomenal "do it all". It's hard to imagine having to pick only one cartridge though.
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Old 02-19-2018, 10:56 AM   #8
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I have both calibers and love them both and have no need to buy a cannon, those do it fine for me.

With that said it more than likely is a just a personal preference they all will kill.
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The 06 can run 55gr to 220gr projectile.
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Old 02-19-2018, 11:12 AM   #10
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Putting down big game like elk has more to do with shot placement than caliber.
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Old 02-19-2018, 11:13 AM   #11
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I'm the other way around. 270 yes, 30-06 no. Your shoulder pays for the inefficient design every time you pull the trigger.

270 is a phenomenal "do it all". It's hard to imagine having to pick only one cartridge though.
I am just glad we are arguing 3006s and 270s like men, in stead of 223/300bo/6.5creed/243. And I will say that even Elmer Keith liked a 270, said it was a great Coyote rifle. Haha. 270s are dang good guns too, second best, but still nice :-)
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Old 02-19-2018, 11:20 AM   #12
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The 06 can run 55gr to 220gr projectile.
This. That is range right there.

Bullet choice is more important that the round. A .270 with a nosler or something along those lines is going to dominate a 7 mag or 300WM with a cheap bullet that fails to expand.

Neither are irrelevant, and will never be. I always recommend those two round to people if they ask what is best for deer or elk.
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Old 02-19-2018, 11:30 AM   #13
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The 06 can run 55gr to 220gr projectile.
What twist are you running that will stabilize 55gr and also 220gr?
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Old 02-19-2018, 11:34 AM   #14
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READ "O'CONNOR'S THOUGHTS ON 270 V/S 30-06 . You have the best choice already. Don't over think it partner ...
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Old 02-19-2018, 11:35 AM   #15
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Yea... but... if you don’t have a 6.5 creedmore you can’t tell everyone about it.
Nailed it. Similar to a Vegan or Cross-Trainer. lol

I would love to have a gun for every situation. However, I only have a hand full to take care of everything I need. If I need a rifle and it isn't for squirrels, my .270 gets the call.
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What twist are you running that will stabilize 55gr and also 220gr?
10 twist. the 55 are Sabot rounds, the 220 are round nose and are no longer than many 180 bottails. People been shooting those rounds out of 3006s for many many years. That is why the 3006 wins. (the sabot rounds are not terribly accurate though and 110s are better for varmints)
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Old 02-19-2018, 11:54 AM   #17
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For example, if you are hunting whitetail, then it seems there are several other calibers that will kill them just as dead but with less recoil.
I'll just say this - I've shot deer with 6.5 Grendel, 243, 270, 308, 300 Win Mag, 375 H&H Mag. You're right there is only one kind of dead... but bigger, faster bullet (more energy) at the business end means less tracking and chasing deer if you make a less than perfect shot.

You notice recoil at the range when you're shooting at paper from a benchrest. You don't notice recoil in the field (especially if you're shooting at a big 'un). Shoot the biggest that you can manage not to develop a flinch at the range. When you shoot a deer, you won't notice the recoil, but you will have muscle memory from the range.

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Old 02-19-2018, 12:02 PM   #18
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If I had to choose only one caliber, .30-06 all day long. Killed Nilgai, deer, hogs and coyotes with a weatherby vanguard for years.


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Old 02-19-2018, 12:48 PM   #19
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when I got my first hunting rifle, I figured it would be the only one in the safe for a while. given that, I went 3006. figure it would take care of about any opportunity requiring a rifle that may arise before adding in anything else down the road
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Y’all do know that neither 270 nor 3006 are calibers right?
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And here we go....
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Old 02-19-2018, 01:13 PM   #22
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I'd take a 270 over a 30-06 any day. Maybe I've just had bad luck with the 30-06, but I'm not a fan. I don't like to look at a gun as a "do it all kind of a gun". For Texas(when I'm using a rifle) I'm either varmint hunting or deer/hog hunting, so I mostly use a .308 and a 22-250. Pretty good combo to own. I take deer/hogs with both rifles depending on what mood I'm in. .308 for the shoulder shots, 22-250 for neck shots/ear holeing pigs. 308 perfectly capable of taking bigger game though
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Old 02-19-2018, 01:24 PM   #23
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Finn Aagard built his “one gun” years ago as a .30-06 on a Mauser 98. If you handload or don’t, you can go varmint to elk with ease. The variety or weights and bullets allow for it to be that for those that want to have just one caliber in the safe!
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I'm the other way around. 270 yes, 30-06 no. Your shoulder pays for the inefficient design every time you pull the trigger.

270 is a phenomenal "do it all". It's hard to imagine having to pick only one cartridge though.
It's funny you say this because I have both in a Remington 700 and the 270 kicks a lot harder than the 30 06, don't know why. I can shoot the 270 5 times and have a nice bruise and the 06 doesn't do anything.
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Old 02-19-2018, 01:26 PM   #25
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I guess, another way to phrase my question, is when would you recommend a 270 or 30-06 over another caliber?
Never... there's always a better option. That said, either will do many jobs adequately.
In general humanity progresses over time. To think that we got it right in the first two decades of the 20th century and have moved backward since is pretty shortsighted I think.
There are a number of factors at play today that are significantly different from those of that era and lead to different end products.
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It's funny you say this because I have both in a Remington 700 and the 270 kicks a lot harder than the 30 06, don't know why. I can shoot the 270 5 times and have a nice bruise and the 06 doesn't do anything.
It's just physics... there are plenty of hard numbers all over the internet for those two, or you can do the 1/2mv^2 (1/2*mass*velocity squared) yourself.

Heavy guns with good brakes and pads absorb recoil much better than light guns do, perhaps that's what caused your perception.

And agreed, I don't feel qualified to comment because I simply can't fathom picking one cartridge.
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Y’all do know that neither 270 nor 3006 are calibers right?


Caliber cartridge clip magazine. What difference does it matter we knew what the dude was talking about. You do know y’all isn’t an actual official word right?


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Caliber cartridge clip magazine. What difference does it matter we knew what the dude was talking about. You do know y’all isn’t an actual official word right?


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Rifle "shells" is the one that always confuses me
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Yes, ESPECIALLY if you handload.
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I've killed everything from blackbuck to elk with my 270....all dead and delicious. I'd have no problem hunting up to moose with mine but think I'd change for brownies.


For me, thats my caliber, probably for the rest of life.
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Old 02-19-2018, 02:07 PM   #31
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Say an artical that said a 30-06 loaded with a high BC bullet has equal trajectory to a 300wm with a traditional bullet. My handloaded 26” 06 with a 168amax does 3k. Nothing other than African dangerous game will walk away with one well placed. My 270 loaded with a high BC bullet has equal ballistics(not energy) of a 6.5creed any 6mm 338L. To many any well loaded 270 or 30-06 will take care of anything when loaded right. But to me 270 wins in Texas. But if I was close range in bear country I think a 200gr plus 06 would get the nod. Although if you watch the Alaskan shows they hunt bear with a 223. I guess they think 30 small holes better than 1 big hole.
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10 twist. the 55 are Sabot rounds, the 220 are round nose and are no longer than many 180 bottails. People been shooting those rounds out of 3006s for many many years. That is why the 3006 wins. (the sabot rounds are not terribly accurate though and 110s are better for varmints)
Gave my dad some 55 and the next year he shot a deer with it. Looked like he put a small bomb in it. Bits of bone from head to tail.
Bought 3 boxes here a couple of months back for cheep.....
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Gave my dad some 55 and the next year he shot a deer with it. Looked like he put a small bomb in it. Bits of bone from head to tail.
Bought 3 boxes here a couple of months back for cheep.....
Sorry to hear that.
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Caliber cartridge clip magazine. What difference does it matter we knew what the dude was talking about. You do know y’all isn’t an actual official word right?


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Y'all is in the dictionary. But y'all knew what he meant by it anyways
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I'm the other way around. 270 yes, 30-06 no. Your shoulder pays for the inefficient design every time you pull the trigger.

270 is a phenomenal "do it all". It's hard to imagine having to pick only one cartridge though.
please explain, "inefficient design" every time you pull the trigger,,,,, i need to hear the explanation


i have had both and prefer the 30-06,,, but my go to is a 45-70,,,,

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Old 02-19-2018, 04:17 PM   #37
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25-06
6.5-06
270
280
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35 Whelen

These all use the same parent...with today's solid expanding bullets along with bonded, the argument between 270 & 30-06 is silly. Especially when the 280ai is best.

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READ "O'CONNOR'S THOUGHTS ON 270 V/S 30-06 . You have the best choice already. Don't over think it partner ...
READ ... GUESS way before you guys time
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Especially when the 280ai is best.

Carry on.
Dangit! You had to go and add a another caliber......

And yes, the best one
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Blasphemy! You are in Texas! It dam sure is a word.
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If I had to choose one caliber for all of North America, it would be the .338 win mag.
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It's funny you say this because I have both in a Remington 700 and the 270 kicks a lot harder than the 30 06, don't know why. I can shoot the 270 5 times and have a nice bruise and the 06 doesn't do anything.
A friend had a Rem 700 .270 that kicked very hard, even with bull barrel and good limb saver that rifle left several purple eyes, we called it "el bravo" my Browning X bolt 30-06 was easier on the shoulder than the .270
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please explain, "inefficient design" every time you pull the trigger,,,,, i need to hear the explanation


i have had both and prefer the 30-06,,, but my go to is a 45-70,,,,
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And yes, the best one
It is a good example. The 280AI has substantially lower recoil, overtakes the 30-06 in downrange energy at 200 yds and doesn't look back.
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So am I limited to one of these two calibers for the “best option for any hunting scenario”?

If I could only have one gun I believe it would be a 300wm. Put a brake on it and get after it.

Of course I don’t have to choose just one caliber so I don’t own a 300wm, a 270 or a 30-06.


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So am I limited to one of these two calibers for the “best option for any hunting scenario”?

If I could only have one gun I believe it would be a 300wm. Put a brake on it and get after it.

Of course I don’t have to choose just one caliber so I don’t own a 300wm, a 270 or a 30-06.


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Old 02-20-2018, 12:21 AM   #46
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A braked .300WM/WSM is a reasonable pick. Black Ice, what are you using?

Chuck Hawks had an interesting perspective, especially about the "it can shoot 55-200gn+" argument. http://www.chuckhawks.com/perfect_pair.htm

My concern was about twist, stabilization and accuracy, but he points out If you really want to do that you'll have to re-zero between each significant change in bullet weight.
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A braked .300WM/WSM is a reasonable pick. Black Ice, what are you using?

Chuck Hawks had an interesting perspective, especially about the "it can shoot 55-200gn+" argument. http://www.chuckhawks.com/perfect_pair.htm

My concern was about twist, stabilization and accuracy, but he points out If you really want to do that you'll have to re-zero between each significant change in bullet weight.


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Default Are the 270 and 30-06 Calibers the Best Option for any Hunting Scenario?

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Ammo for both is everywhere. I read it on here before. “ walk into a hardware store, walk out with missles”. Good choices
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