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Old 08-06-2017, 10:42 PM   #1751
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How old are your chestnut trees?
The ones just stating to bear nuts are 4 yrs old bought from Chestnut Hill I think. Dunstans. I'm quite surprised with how quickly they have started producing. They aren't loaded but still have a few nuts.
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Old 08-07-2017, 11:07 AM   #1752
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That's impressive. I have about 50-70 planted out at our place. This is their first yr out of a pot and we have been getting good rain fall so I am excited about the future.
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Old 08-07-2017, 12:58 PM   #1753
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Well....we have gotten a better look at that buck and now we think 5. Nonetheless he will get a pass this yr.
Even if he is five, he still may have his year of best improvement ahead of him. hes special.
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Old 08-09-2017, 10:54 AM   #1754
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What is vetch and can you explain it? I am also getting on the no till plan. last year I disked and then no tilled. I will not disk anymore, but just spray with Gly.
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Old 08-09-2017, 09:40 PM   #1755
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What I call vetch is commonly known as joint vetch or deer vetch but its technical name is aeschynomene.It is one of my favorite summer crops! Highly preferred, highly nutritious and very grazing tolerant.

It is planted in the spring and likes wetter bottom land soils. It is slow to get started but will grow till frost. I sometimes mix it 50/50 with alyce clover as they have identical growth characteristics though deer much prefer the vetch.It is an reseeding annual that with proper management can reseed for many years much like crimson clover. In existing fields early spring I will lightly disc then cultipak. If necessary add something like 0-24-24 as it is a legume requiring no nitrogen. Then at the last possible day I spray the field with gly to kill any weeds . I watch the fields carefully looking for vetch sprouts and hopefully spray before they germinate. Weeds are a fact of life in vetch fields though it is very competitive with anything. Vetch is slow to germinate in the summer and slow to get going. But once it gets started grows quite well especially with rain.

Lately I've been letting the vetch get a foot or two tall with the weeds that high or higher then when the weeds start flowering or showing seeds I mow the tops. Doesn't hurt the vetch yet knocks back the weeds. Vetch will grow 4-6' tall ungrazed but deer keep mine closer to 1-3'.

You can find good info at hancock seed as well as order if your local coop can't get it. Requires inoculation. It's expensive but I have kept fields going for years with the above maintenance

It's a beautiful plant and some of our best bucks have grown up in vetch fields. Happy to help with any questions. Notice in the picture that every top has been nipped which is true for every plant in this 3 acre field.
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Old 08-10-2017, 11:41 AM   #1756
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I checked Hancock Seed and there are a few different variations of Vetch. Which do you use/recommend?
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Old 08-10-2017, 04:44 PM   #1757
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I checked Hancock Seed and there are a few different variations of Vetch. Which do you use/recommend?
hulled aeschynomene
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Old 08-13-2017, 09:53 PM   #1758
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Couple new ones. The daylight 8 has double forked 2's. Think he might be a 4 yr old as we don't know who he is. The nighttime 8 had one picture last year and wasn't seen all season. Neighbor and I caught him in a clover field a couple weeks ago and he's a stud. Exceptional mass with beautiful frame. Think 5 yr old.
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Old 08-13-2017, 09:57 PM   #1759
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Couple new ones. The daylight 8 has double forked 2's. Think he might be a 4 yr old as we don't know who he is. The nighttime 8 had one picture last year and wasn't seen all season. Neighbor and I caught him in a clover field a couple weeks ago and he's a stud. Exceptional mass with beautiful frame. Think 5 yr old.


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Old 08-13-2017, 10:13 PM   #1760
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Love seeing what you're doing!
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Old 08-13-2017, 10:16 PM   #1761
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Got some big frame 8s roaming around for real!


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Old 08-14-2017, 10:27 AM   #1762
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that last buck is an absolute hoss! Love his frame! Cant wait to see what he does with a couple more years rusty!
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Old 08-14-2017, 09:55 PM   #1763
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Took the roller crimper out today for a test run on a stand of pure sunn hemp as well as a field of egyptian wheat, sorghum and cow peas. Big fun and very happy with the results. A bit intimidating in a jungle of sunn hemp thats 3' taller than the top of the tractor. The crimper did exactly what I wanted though.
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Old 08-14-2017, 10:00 PM   #1764
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That one buck looks like a race horse!
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Old 08-15-2017, 08:28 AM   #1765
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Looking good Rusty and man did that Sun Hemp do well!!! That soil should be much improved.
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Old 08-15-2017, 08:45 AM   #1766
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Looks awesome!
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Old 08-16-2017, 03:11 PM   #1767
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Here is a different picture of the last 8 pt posted. He is an eyeful in person with great looking frame.
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Old 08-16-2017, 03:30 PM   #1768
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Here is a different picture of the last 8 pt posted. He is an eyeful in person with great looking frame.


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Old 08-16-2017, 03:32 PM   #1769
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Here is a different picture of the last 8 pt posted. He is an eyeful in person with great looking frame.
What do you think he will score? I really struggle with those giants because they are just scaled up in every way. I can get him to 60 but part of me think thats too low.
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Old 08-16-2017, 03:34 PM   #1770
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What do you think he will score? I really struggle with those giants because they are just scaled up in every way. I can get him to 60 but part of me think thats too low.


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Old 08-16-2017, 03:37 PM   #1771
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I don't know. Lft 3 is a little short. Mass appears exceptional and frame is really big. Will try for pics out of velvet. Gonna look and see if I can find pic from last yr.
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Heck thats how he looks! I just cant get numbers to match that.

42 on mass???? HUGE on an 8pt!

58 on tines? Once again HUGE on an 8pt

52 on beams? HUGE

21 inside?

That gets him to 171.

What do you see Billy?
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Old 08-16-2017, 04:02 PM   #1773
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Heck thats how he looks! I just cant get numbers to match that.



42 on mass???? HUGE on an 8pt!



58 on tines? Once again HUGE on an 8pt



52 on beams? HUGE



21 inside?



That gets him to 171.



What do you see Billy?


Tine length is where you're short. I think his G2s are so big your confused. I'm saying 15 inch on G2s and 11 inch G3s. 7 inch brow tines. That's where I think he's higher. Other than that you're close.


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Tine length is where you're short. I think his G2s are so big your confused. I'm saying 15 inch on G2s and 11 inch G3s. 7 inch brow tines. That's where I think he's higher. Other than that you're close.


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That adds 8 inches over six tines so yep i could be 1.2 inches off per tine. i hope i am. I can say that it has happened to me a couple of times on those deer. The horn inhand just stunned me compared to the pics. this one looks HUGE in that pic.
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Old 08-16-2017, 04:48 PM   #1775
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Heck thats how he looks! I just cant get numbers to match that.

42 on mass???? HUGE on an 8pt!

58 on tines? Once again HUGE on an 8pt

52 on beams? HUGE

21 inside?

That gets him to 171.

What do you see Billy?
I'm thinking mid 160s.
110 down
55 up (the G3s hurt him a little, especially the left one)

Heck of an eight point though.
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I'm thinking mid 160s.
110 down
55 up (the G3s hurt him a little, especially the left one)

Heck of an eight point though.
I would totally agree with you if I hadnt missed every one of them on his place to the low side in the past. HighRoller and the 190 ten that died are the only two i was dead on..
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Old 08-16-2017, 04:54 PM   #1777
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I would totally agree with you if I hadnt missed every one of them on his place to the low side in the past. HighRoller and the 190 ten that died are the only two i was dead on..


His deer with big frames always surprise me too. That's why I said 15 inch G2s.


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Old 08-16-2017, 05:02 PM   #1778
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Course y'all know we aren't going to shoot him this yr. 5 yr old All speculation on score
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Old 08-16-2017, 05:13 PM   #1779
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Course y'all know we aren't going to shoot him this yr. 5 yr old All speculation on score
So how long until we see a hit list for this year?

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Old 08-16-2017, 05:22 PM   #1780
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Here he is from last yr. Only pic we got. He was never seen live.
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Old 08-16-2017, 06:41 PM   #1781
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I'm curious if you have considered or what you would think about drilling wheat into your vetch late fall (possibly after your application of roundup) letting the deer browse the wheat through the spring then crimping or dragging the stubble. I would hope the wheat stubble would add organic matter and slow down the weeds along with good nutrition. Same could be done with cereal rye but would not be as good for deer and would need to be terminated before seed matures. I have not done this but after seeing your success with vetch and my aggravation with soybeans and peas (deer over browsing) I am wanting to try vetch but want to keep something growing year around while building my organic matter and suppressing weeds.
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Old 08-16-2017, 07:50 PM   #1782
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Course y'all know we aren't going to shoot him this yr. 5 yr old All speculation on score
Fair enough. so now.. you have seen him alive. You have measured many similar deer. Please give us your numbers. How does he compare to the 170 8pt yall killed?
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Old 08-16-2017, 08:45 PM   #1783
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Fair enough. so now.. you have seen him alive. You have measured many similar deer. Please give us your numbers. How does he compare to the 170 8pt yall killed?
I reserve right to re submit once out of velvet assuming we can find him. For now I think upper 160's. I think the lft 3 keeps him from 170.

I hate scoring and aging summer bucks!
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Old 08-16-2017, 08:54 PM   #1784
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I'm curious if you have considered or what you would think about drilling wheat into your vetch late fall (possibly after your application of roundup) letting the deer browse the wheat through the spring then crimping or dragging the stubble. I would hope the wheat stubble would add organic matter and slow down the weeds along with good nutrition. Same could be done with cereal rye but would not be as good for deer and would need to be terminated before seed matures. I have not done this but after seeing your success with vetch and my aggravation with soybeans and peas (deer over browsing) I am wanting to try vetch but want to keep something growing year around while building my organic matter and suppressing weeds.
That wouldn't work for me as either I would need to drill the wheat after a frost when the vetch has died back [ too late I think ] or drill thru growing vetch which I would be concerned about hurting or killing the vetch. I don't burn with gly till late spring before the vetch starts regrowth from seed bank.

This year I did experiment with drilling vetch into a standing crop of crimson clover. I think those cultivars could have compatible growth patterns. The crimson is done late April to first of May. Generally the vetch doesn't start growing till early May . So either I will lightly disc the finished crimson or simply let it create a thatch to germinate the vetch in the seed bank. The crimson will have gone to seed for future seasons Either way I have crimson all winter/spring then vetch all summer.

Thats the theory. We will see.
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I reserve right to re submit once out of velvet assuming we can find him. For now I think upper 160's. I think the lft 3 keeps him from 170.

I hate scoring and aging summer bucks!
I agree with all of that. Keep us posted.
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Old 08-20-2017, 06:58 AM   #1786
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His deer with big frames always surprise me too. That's why I said 15 inch G2s.


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It's the body size that makes it hard to compare scores to TX and MX deer. These mature bucks are 260-300 pounds. Mr. Baker, if I may, I submit a gross 163, 8pt, 290# central Louisiana buck for reference. Yours is in velvet, but frame still looks bigger.


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Old 08-20-2017, 08:31 AM   #1787
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It's the body size that makes it hard to compare scores to TX and MX deer. These mature bucks are 260-300 pounds. Mr. Baker, if I may, I submit a gross 163, 8pt, 290# central Louisiana buck for reference. Yours is in velvet, but frame still looks bigger.


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Old 08-31-2017, 11:22 PM   #1788
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Just checking in. Cut my food plots last week getting ready for the fall plant.
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Old 09-04-2017, 11:03 AM   #1789
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hey rusty, How much water did you get?
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Old 09-04-2017, 12:37 PM   #1790
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hey rusty, How much water did you get?
We were lucky. A bit over 6" from the storm itself. Plus another 3" the week before. Inconvenient yes, but not a tragedy as many suffered. Set us back a couple weeks prepping our plots but should be plenty soil moisture. Benefit of no till.

What about your neighborhood?
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Old 09-04-2017, 01:01 PM   #1791
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We were lucky. A bit over 6" from the storm itself. Plus another 3" the week before. Inconvenient yes, but not a tragedy as many suffered. Set us back a couple weeks prepping our plots but should be plenty soil moisture. Benefit of no till.

What about your neighborhood?
12-15 inches scattered over 10 days. Dont have my chicken litter out yet. still too wet. Ii will be a little late on my plots but dang my deer exploded this year. we passed a bunch of no brainer 5 an 6 year olds last year just because i wanted to see them this year. they exceeded expectation.. i also have three 9-10 year olds that have their first set of eye poppers this year.

that crap keeps happening to me every time i have them figured out.
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Old 09-08-2017, 03:06 PM   #1792
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Rusty, Why do you use Elbon Rye instead of Oats? I have about 24 acres of food plots. Six different areas on my 300 acres. I am about 40 miles N. of Monroe but in Miss. We are putting lime out today. Any suggestions are really appreciated.
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Old 09-08-2017, 04:13 PM   #1793
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I plant both elbon rye and wheat. In the plots i double crop with soybeans , peas etc. I plant the rye both for the tremendous growth thus thatch thus organic matter as well as the soil benefits the roots offer. Rye also has a mild allopathic [sp ] effect suppressing weed germination.Also, If nematodes are a problem rye is the answer.

I plant wheat in existing clover fields as well as clover fields I am establishing. I have found that for whatever reason wheat does much better than oats in my soils / climate. I like oats and think they are fine they just don't work well for me.

Supposedly deer like wheat or oats better than rye. I have never asked them but I see no grazing preference .
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I plant both elbon rye and wheat. In the plots i double crop with soybeans , peas etc. I plant the rye both for the tremendous growth thus thatch thus organic matter as well as the soil benefits the roots offer. Rye also has a mild allopathic [sp ] effect suppressing weed germination.Also, If nematodes are a problem rye is the answer.

I plant wheat in existing clover fields as well as clover fields I am establishing. I have found that for whatever reason wheat does much better than oats in my soils / climate. I like oats and think they are fine they just don't work well for me.

Supposedly deer like wheat or oats better than rye. I have never asked them but I see no grazing preference .
I plant wheat, oats, and rye together every year. they dang sure dont pick around any of it.
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Old 09-09-2017, 11:47 PM   #1795
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Appreciate the info guys. Has anybody had any luck with Bulldog 505 Alfalfa? Some of my turf friends told me about it.
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Old 09-17-2017, 01:36 AM   #1796
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Rusty,
Seeing if I could pick your brain... I'm planting roughly an acre plot with elbon, wheat, Crimson, kale and turnips.
Hurricane damage at the house messed up my schedule a bit and I'll likely be dealing with more native grass/weed competition than I would like. Do you know of a good selective herbicide that would not harm the aforementioned? I suppose the first question may be, what kind of native grass. I'll have to check as I don't know much about different weeds and grasses, but I know much of it is broadleaf. Thanks!!

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Seeing if I could pick your brain... I'm planting roughly an acre plot with elbon, wheat, Crimson, kale and turnips.
Hurricane damage at the house messed up my schedule a bit and I'll likely be dealing with more native grass/weed competition than I would like. Do you know of a good selective herbicide that would not harm the aforementioned? I suppose the first question may be, what kind of native grass. I'll have to check as I don't know much about different weeds and grasses, but I know much of it is broadleaf. Thanks!!

Tough stuff on the hurricane damage. Sorry you had to suffer with that.


First question is have you already planted? If not hit the plot now with round up. We were spraying last week to prep for planting between now and mid Oct. depending on rain. Timing is good

If you have already planted the problem is that you have both small grains, brassicas and clover. I am not familiar with any herbicide you can spray on that combo. If grasses are your biggest problem you may try clethodium [sp?] which is grass specific but if small grains are up it will kill them.If broad leaves are biggest problem I wouldn't worry too much as they probably want last past first frost. Or you could mow high and take the tops out of them.
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Tough stuff on the hurricane damage. Sorry you had to suffer with that.


First question is have you already planted? If not hit the plot now with round up. We were spraying last week to prep for planting between now and mid Oct. depending on rain. Timing is good

If you have already planted the problem is that you have both small grains, brassicas and clover. I am not familiar with any herbicide you can spray on that combo. If grasses are your biggest problem you may try clethodium [sp?] which is grass specific but if small grains are up it will kill them.If broad leaves are biggest problem I wouldn't worry too much as they probably want last past first frost. Or you could mow high and take the tops out of them.

No I've not planted yet. Sprayed today but I would like to again. However, time may not allow me to spray again so was just curious if if you knew of something.
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Tough stuff on the hurricane damage. Sorry you had to suffer with that.


First question is have you already planted? If not hit the plot now with round up. We were spraying last week to prep for planting between now and mid Oct. depending on rain. Timing is good

If you have already planted the problem is that you have both small grains, brassicas and clover. I am not familiar with any herbicide you can spray on that combo. If grasses are your biggest problem you may try clethodium [sp?] which is grass specific but if small grains are up it will kill them.If broad leaves are biggest problem I wouldn't worry too much as they probably want last past first frost. Or you could mow high and take the tops out of them.
Oh and thank you for the well wishes. We were truly blessed. Only had water in two rooms.
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what kind of white clovers would you recommend?

Ladino, Lousiana S-1, Regalgrase, Osceola, regal, Barblanca?
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