Protein Pellet Ingredients

[gingib]

mixing it evenly 50/50 seems like a PIA to me...unless you have a good method

[Black Gold]

We hand fill feeders one bag at a time. Fill 5,000 pounds worth in about half a days work between 3 guys. It's a pain, but the only way out there. 50-50 is easy...just alternate one bag at a time while filling.

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[Slick8]

Originally Posted by Black Gold

Here is the list thus far:
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Shiner, TX
Hunt In: Dryden & Hallettsville, TX

Cody, are you feeding protein on your Hallettsville lease? If so, what kind of consumption have you seen compared to years past?

As I've stated on previous threads I feed protein to hold and attract mature bucks as much as the benefits to the deer. I hunt a small but very productive 450 acre pasture. It has 4 corn fields totaling 100 acres, hay fields which are drilled with oats in the fall and excellent pasture lands. One addition that is a benefit from the corn is every time a disc is ran over the corn fields, new browse pops up and the native browse adjacent to the fields benefit from the little extra kick of fertilizer.

Having said all that, I haven't seen much protein consumption from the deer, perhaps a bit less than normal but it's been a really wet year. One of the reasons that I switched to DD was it's marketed attractiveness to deer.

I happened on an accidental discovery. In trying to bait a very large hog that's been frequenting my protein feeder I dumped a bag of corn just a few feet from it...To my surprise the deer are hitting the corn 10:1 vs. the protein. It makes me think that I need to mix some corn in my protein and keep it that way. Once the corn in the fields start to firm up in about July, they hardly touch the protein and live in the corn fields.

This is in a low deer density area for the region btw.

[Black Gold]

We have a family place near hallettsville which is 300 acres. We mainly feed corn there as the hogs have moved in and due to our feeder pens being barbed wire (gotta fix that) they were getting more protein than deer. I have 4 sons, so I'm pretty much just a guide out there. My Dryden lease is MY 6 day get-away each year....other than that, it's all about the boys.

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[Slick8]

Understood, I've never fenced my protein feeder as I didn't have a hog problem till recently and since I've trapped the last sounder we only have a lone boar to deal with.

He has a date with some dogs very shortly.

[bphillips]

Originally Posted by JWHunt

What about Gossypol ?????
http://www.hindawi.com/journals/tswj/2014/231635/

Irrelevant in free range deer. Their diet will never be a high enough % to affect them and if that is a concern to you stop feeding it 30 days before season and by the time they're breeding they will be good to go anyway.

[gingib]

Originally Posted by bphillips

Irrelevant in free range deer. Their diet will never be a high enough % to affect them and if that is a concern to you stop feeding it 30 days before season and by the time they're breeding they will be good to go anyway.

x2!

Originally Posted by Slick8

Cody, are you feeding protein on your Hallettsville lease? If so, what kind of consumption have you seen compared to years past?

As I've stated on previous threads I feed protein to hold and attract mature bucks as much as the benefits to the deer. I hunt a small but very productive 450 acre pasture. It has 4 corn fields totaling 100 acres, hay fields which are drilled with oats in the fall and excellent pasture lands. One addition that is a benefit from the corn is every time a disc is ran over the corn fields, new browse pops up and the native browse adjacent to the fields benefit from the little extra kick of fertilizer.

Having said all that, I haven't seen much protein consumption from the deer, perhaps a bit less than normal but it's been a really wet year. One of the reasons that I switched to DD was it's marketed attractiveness to deer.

I happened on an accidental discovery. In trying to bait a very large hog that's been frequenting my protein feeder I dumped a bag of corn just a few feet from it...To my surprise the deer are hitting the corn 10:1 vs. the protein. It makes me think that I need to mix some corn in my protein and keep it that way. Once the corn in the fields start to firm up in about July, they hardly touch the protein and live in the corn fields.

This is in a low deer density area for the region btw.

Way down compared to years past, but in the last 2 weeks I have noticed a huge spike in consumption as it gets warmer.

[Slick8]

I'm expecting consumption to pick up as well. Seems like the natural browse isn't as attractive as it warms and the antler growth is about to kick into high gear making them like teenaged boys after football practice....bottomless pits.

[Peyton]

Pregnant does increase their intake dramatically from May to late July in STX. As their fetus matures and their milk comes in, they get hangry. Sound familiar?

[Black Gold]

I filled feeders yesterday in Dryden and had a few bags of L&E and DD left so knowing that they both have some of the the highest TDN available, I poured a 50 pound mound of DD right beside a 50 pound mound of L&E, directly in front of the game camera. Will be another 70 days before I go back to pull cards and refill feeders, but we shall see if one pile gets hit or disappears faster than the other. I don't have a dog in this fight either way and I buy equal amounts of both brand, but just curious if one is preferred over the other on my lease and thought yall might be interested in the results.

[TKK]

Originally Posted by Black Gold

I filled feeders yesterday in Dryden and had a few bags of L&E and DD left so knowing that they both have some of the the highest TDN available, I poured a 50 pound mound of DD right beside a 50 pound mound of L&E, directly in front of the game camera. Will be another 70 days before I go back to pull cards and refill feeders, but we shall see if one pile gets hit or disappears faster than the other. I don't have a dog in this fight either way and I buy equal amounts of both brand, but just curious if one is preferred over the other on my lease and thought yall might be interested in the results.

we tried the exact same thing last year but with two identical feeders side by side. DD in one and Purina the other. (Purina is what we were and kept feeding). Came back a month later and there was no contest - they ate the Purina and very little of the DD. Now that may be attributed to introducing a new feed next to an existing one, but we are very happy with results for the Purina and our deer show it. Not worth 25% more IMO

[Black Gold]

Well, this may be a more fair test in a way.
I've been feeding MG and Record Rack, so this will be both L&E and DD first introduction out there at the exact same time.

[txwhitetail]

Originally Posted by TKK

Not worth 25% more IMO

Nope

[gingib]

Under $9 a bag, I won't complain!

On our lease the lease manager buys both MG 20% and 18% MVP and one is like $8.60 and one is $9.20 or so. And the minerals are in there also.

I can't afford $13 a bag on a low fence place. Not when we have 2 1000# protein feeders.

[J-Carp]

Looks like the 70%+ TDN isn't necessary. I think this ties back to the term "rumen" and basically means dear can only process so much protein.

[Black Gold]

I think that would be accurate for a pen raised deer where the feed consumed was 100% of its diet. A deer in the wild will only make available protein PART of his diet and therefore I see TDN as being a much larger factor....

[J-Carp]

Originally Posted by Black Gold

I think that would be accurate for a pen raised deer where the feed consumed was 100% of its diet. A deer in the wild will only make available protein PART of his diet and therefore I see TDN as being a much larger factor....

I see what you're saying and it makes sense, rumen doesn't hurt the deer so havin excess protein is a negligible factor as far as deer are concerned.

[Peyton]

Originally Posted by Tsix-eightX

Looks like the 70%+ TDN isn't necessary. I think this ties back to the term "rumen" and basically means dear can only process so much protein.

Originally Posted by Tsix-eightX

I see what you're saying and it makes sense, rumen doesn't hurt the deer so havin excess protein is a negligible factor as far as deer are concerned.

ru·men
roomn/
noun ZOOLOGY
the first stomach of a ruminant, which receives food or cud from the esophagus, partly digests it with the aid of bacteria, and passes it to the reticulum.

[J-Carp]

Originally Posted by Peyton

ru·men
roomn/
noun ZOOLOGY
the first stomach of a ruminant, which receives food or cud from the esophagus, partly digests it with the aid of bacteria, and passes it to the reticulum.

Okay so,,, I think clearly I was using the word incorrectly however am I correct in that the rumen can only process X amount of protein before passing it to the reticulum?

I don't know anything, just reading and trying to understand and learn. Thanks

[Peyton]

Total Digestible Nutrients (TDN) - The sum of the digestible protein, digestible nitrogen free extract, digestible crude fiber and the digestible fat. TDN accounts for the fecal loss of digestion and to a large extent the urinary energy loss.

[DF&G]

Originally Posted by Tsix-eightX

Okay so,,, I think clearly I was using the word incorrectly however am I correct in that the rumen can only process X amount of protein before passing it to the reticulum?

I don't know anything, just reading and trying to understand and learn. Thanks

I follow your train of thought here, and yes you're on the right track as far as I can see. Basic protein types can be lumped into 3 categories:
1. Indigestible - simple pass through.
2. Rumen Degradable Protein (Soluble) - I think this is significant because this fuels the rumen microorganisms.
3. Bypass protein - this is only broken down in the small intestines.

Of course depending on the feedstuff used, a ration can vary greatly in Protein types - both how much is utilized and also where absorption takes place.

[Buster1206]

Has anyone tried Game Pro 16% or 20% from Justin Seed Company
What would the TDN be on this stuff

Crude Protein, Min 16.00
Crude Fat, Min 4.00
Crude Fiber, Max 15.50
Calcium, Min 1.20
Calcium, Max 1.60
Phosphorus, Min 0.40
Salt, Min 0.60
Salt, Max 0.80
Copper, Min(ppm) 45
Zinc, Min (ppm) 225
Selenium, Min (ppm) 0.70
Vitamin A, Min (IU/LB) 15,000
Vitamin D, Min (IU/LB) 2,500
Vitamin E, Min (IU/LB) 50

[Bowhuntingobsession]

What happened to this thread ? It's been more than 70 days and no results.

[Black Gold]

These are the results:



Double Down = 82.6%
Bee County Co-Op Deer Pellets 17 = 77.8%
L&E = 76.7%
Exxtreme Racks 20 = 74%
Record Rack 20 = 71%
AntlerMax 20 = 67%
Red Chain 20 = 65%
Fehner = 64.7%
MG 18% MVP = 64.7%
MG 20% ST = 60.9%
Red Chain 17 = 60%

What else are you looking for? Another feed?

[RMW]

Originally Posted by Black Gold

These are the results:



Double Down = 82.6%
Bee County Co-Op Deer Pellets 17 = 77.8%
L&E = 76.7%
Exxtreme Racks 20 = 74%
Record Rack 20 = 71%
AntlerMax 20 = 67%
Red Chain 20 = 65%
Fehner = 64.7%
MG 18% MVP = 64.7%
MG 20% ST = 60.9%
Red Chain 17 = 60%

What else are you looking for? Another feed?

I think he wanted the results of the side by side consumption comparison.

[Big Mike M]

Originally Posted by Black Gold

These are the results:



Double Down = 82.6%
Bee County Co-Op Deer Pellets 17 = 77.8%
L&E = 76.7%
Exxtreme Racks 20 = 74%
Record Rack 20 = 71%
AntlerMax 20 = 67%
Red Chain 20 = 65%
Fehner = 64.7%
MG 18% MVP = 64.7%
MG 20% ST = 60.9%
Red Chain 17 = 60%

What else are you looking for? Another feed?

You did miss one. DF&G said it's RHR Blend is 79%.

[Black Gold]

Originally Posted by RMW

I think he wanted the results of the side by side consumption comparison.

Camera went down and no results were obtained.

Switched to feeding L&E mixed with Roasted Soybeans and corn. Nothing against DD, just easier for me to get L&E and with its TDN%, I am very happy with it.

[Big Mike M]

I did a test last weekend with DD, L&E, and Record Rack. Put a pile of each in (4) different feed troughs next to cottonseed. Our deer ate 3x's as much DD then the other two combined over night. Nobody on our pasture of the neighboring pastures has ever fed DD. I was impressed.

[hammer63]

Originally Posted by Big Mike M

I did a test last weekend with DD, L&E, and Record Rack. Put a pile of each in (4) different feed troughs next to cottonseed. Our deer ate 3x's as much DD then the other two combined over night. Nobody on our pasture of the neighboring pastures has ever fed DD. I was impressed.

Pretty good testament to DD's attractiveness. So, I guess you gotta be prepared to feed 3x's as much, if you go with the DD...or run out of feed 3x's as fast....

Thanks for posting the results of your test!

[jshouse]

in for later

[KactusKiller]

Not that we have a choice of LE or DD but I'll stick with the Angelo Pellets

Def enjoyed all the info, great offseason topic and discussion!

[ethic1]

Talked to Dr Kroll at the extravaganza and he was supporting Lonestar. Tdn looks good.


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[Black Gold]

These are the results we have for deer protein TDN:

Double Down = 82.6%
Bee County Co-Op Deer Pellets 17 = 77.8%
L&E = 76.7%
LoneStar Horns Plus = 75%
Exxtreme Racks 20 = 74%
Record Rack 20 = 71%
AntlerMax 20 = 67%
Red Chain 20 = 65%
Fehner = 64.7%
MG 18% MVP = 64.7%
MG 20% ST = 60.9%
Red Chain 17 = 60%

[jheflinland]

I feed several tons of "Outfitters 20% Deer Pellet" every year.

Triple C Hardware in Ozona sells it. I am mostly buying in bulk in a trailer now, but I still get some in sacks. The bags it comes in say "Triple C Hardware Deer Protein", but the tag says it is manufactured by AC Nutrition, out of Winters, TX.

I sent AC an email about TDN.

Glad I came across this thread. It's been very informative and I'm curious about Double Down. I see all their stuff on Facebook.

[Black Gold]

Added the Livengood Mega-Rack to the list. Boedeker Ag in Shiner quit carrying Double Down because they said it was too expensive. They switched to Mega-Rack because they said it was 'almost the same thing". Guess they didn't look at the TDN%....

These are the results we have for deer protein TDN:

Double Down = 82.6%
Bee County Co-Op Deer Pellets 17 = 77.8%
L&E = 76.7%
LoneStar Horns Plus = 75%
Exxtreme Racks 20 = 74%
Record Rack 20 = 71%
AntlerMax 20 = 67%
Red Chain 20 = 65%
Fehner = 64.7%
MG 18% MVP = 64.7%
Livengood Mega-Rack = 63%
MG 20% ST = 60.9%
Red Chain 17 = 60%

[JWHunt]

Bee County Co-op 20% deer pellets from the Lab a few days ago.

[gingib]

Originally Posted by Bowhuntingobsession

What happened to this thread ? It's been more than 70 days and no results.

The pics

[txwhitetail]

Originally Posted by Black Gold

Added the Livengood Mega-Rack to the list. Boedeker Ag in Shiner quit carrying Double Down because they said it was too expensive. They switched to Mega-Rack because they said it was 'almost the same thing". Guess they didn't look at the TDN%....

These are the results we have for deer protein TDN:

Double Down = 82.6%
Bee County Co-Op Deer Pellets 17 = 77.8%
L&E = 76.7%
LoneStar Horns Plus = 75%
Exxtreme Racks 20 = 74%
Record Rack 20 = 71%
AntlerMax 20 = 67%
Red Chain 20 = 65%
Fehner = 64.7%
MG 18% MVP = 64.7%
Livengood Mega-Rack = 63%
MG 20% ST = 60.9%
Red Chain 17 = 60%

You didn't list Corn. Its TDN is around 90%

[Black Gold]

Originally Posted by txwhitetail

You didn't list Corn. Its TDN is around 90%

Because corn is not a “protein pellet”.


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[Black Gold]

Originally Posted by gingib

The pics

See post #227

Camera went down and no results were obtained.

Switched to feeding L&E mixed with Roasted Soybeans and corn. Nothing against DD, just easier for me to get L&E and with its TDN%, I am very happy with it.

[Tex1986]

Originally Posted by ethic1

Talked to Dr Kroll at the extravaganza and he was supporting Lonestar. Tdn looks good.


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My guess is because he and the lone star plant are from the same town.


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[bukkskin]

Originally Posted by Black Gold

Here is the list thus far:



Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Shiner, TX
Hunt In: Dryden & Hallettsville, TX
Default
Double Down = 82.6%
Bee County Co-Op Deer Pellets 17 = 77.8%
L&E = 76.7%
Exxtreme Racks 20 = 74%
Record Rack 20 = 71%
AntlerMax 20 = 67%
Red Chain 20 = 65%
Fehner = 64.7%
MG 18% MVP = 64.7%
MG 20% ST = 60.9%
Red Chain 17 = 60%

Is the Bee County feed 17% protien?

I may have to look at L&E again too.
Thanks

[baseball4]

Does anyone know the TDN% of moormans rack plus 18-4.

[Black Gold]

At the request of baseball4, here is the list with the MoorMan's feed added:


These are the results we have for deer protein TDN:

Double Down = 82.6%
Bee County Co-Op Deer Pellets 17 = 77.8%
Lyssey & Eckel 20% = 76.7%
LoneStar Horns Plus = 75%
Exxtreme Racks 20 = 74%
MoorMan's Rack Plus Deer/Elk 18-4 = 71.5%
Record Rack 20 = 71%
AntlerMax 20 = 67%
Red Chain 20 = 65%
Fehner = 64.7%
MG 18% MVP = 64.7%
Livengood Mega-Rack = 63%
MG 20% ST = 60.9%
Red Chain 17 = 60%

[baseball4]

Thank you.

[sweldo73]

Originally Posted by bukkskin

Is the Bee County feed 17% protien?

I may have to look at L&E again too.
Thanks

On the most recent results pic he posted, it shows 20%.

[Black Gold]

Originally Posted by bukkskin

Is the Bee County feed 17% protien?

Thanks

yes..... 17%

[bukkskin]

Originally Posted by Black Gold

yes..... 17%

Ok, thanks

[fordsuper08]

does anyone have any idea what the TDN on black eye peas are the feed store owner in sterling city was talking about these when we went and bought protein last month said he feeds them at his personal place and they have like 25% protein they are cheap and we were going to try some just wondering we currently feed the angelo 17% pellet

[Black Gold]

Most grains, peas, beans have a 90%+ TDN, but not the vitamin or mineral content of a pellet feed. Is like comparing apples to oranges. 100% roasted soybeans would be the highest protein percentage and TDN available, but would lack in vitamins and minerals compared to a pellet. Two totally different animals.


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