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#201 |
Pope & Young
Join Date: Aug 2014
Location: Central Tx
Hunt In: NTX
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mixing it evenly 50/50 seems like a PIA to me...unless you have a good method
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#202 |
Ten Point
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Shiner, TX
Hunt In: Dryden & Hallettsville, TX
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We hand fill feeders one bag at a time. Fill 5,000 pounds worth in about half a days work between 3 guys. It's a pain, but the only way out there. 50-50 is easy...just alternate one bag at a time while filling.
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#203 | |
Pope & Young
![]() Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Richmond, Texas
Hunt In: In the woods
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As I've stated on previous threads I feed protein to hold and attract mature bucks as much as the benefits to the deer. I hunt a small but very productive 450 acre pasture. It has 4 corn fields totaling 100 acres, hay fields which are drilled with oats in the fall and excellent pasture lands. One addition that is a benefit from the corn is every time a disc is ran over the corn fields, new browse pops up and the native browse adjacent to the fields benefit from the little extra kick of fertilizer. Having said all that, I haven't seen much protein consumption from the deer, perhaps a bit less than normal but it's been a really wet year. One of the reasons that I switched to DD was it's marketed attractiveness to deer. I happened on an accidental discovery. In trying to bait a very large hog that's been frequenting my protein feeder I dumped a bag of corn just a few feet from it...To my surprise the deer are hitting the corn 10:1 vs. the protein. It makes me think that I need to mix some corn in my protein and keep it that way. Once the corn in the fields start to firm up in about July, they hardly touch the protein and live in the corn fields. This is in a low deer density area for the region btw. |
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#204 |
Ten Point
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Shiner, TX
Hunt In: Dryden & Hallettsville, TX
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We have a family place near hallettsville which is 300 acres. We mainly feed corn there as the hogs have moved in and due to our feeder pens being barbed wire (gotta fix that) they were getting more protein than deer. I have 4 sons, so I'm pretty much just a guide out there. My Dryden lease is MY 6 day get-away each year....other than that, it's all about the boys.
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#205 |
Pope & Young
![]() Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Richmond, Texas
Hunt In: In the woods
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Understood, I've never fenced my protein feeder as I didn't have a hog problem till recently and since I've trapped the last sounder we only have a lone boar to deal with.
He has a date with some dogs very shortly. |
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#206 | |
Pope & Young
![]() Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: San Angelo, Tx
Hunt In: Mexico, Tom Green Co.
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#207 | ||
Pope & Young
Join Date: Aug 2014
Location: Central Tx
Hunt In: NTX
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#208 |
Pope & Young
![]() Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Richmond, Texas
Hunt In: In the woods
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I'm expecting consumption to pick up as well. Seems like the natural browse isn't as attractive as it warms and the antler growth is about to kick into high gear making them like teenaged boys after football practice....bottomless pits.
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#209 |
Pope & Young
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Corsicana
Hunt In: Carrizo Springs
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Pregnant does increase their intake dramatically from May to late July in STX. As their fetus matures and their milk comes in, they get hangry. Sound familiar?
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#210 |
Ten Point
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Shiner, TX
Hunt In: Dryden & Hallettsville, TX
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I filled feeders yesterday in Dryden and had a few bags of L&E and DD left so knowing that they both have some of the the highest TDN available, I poured a 50 pound mound of DD right beside a 50 pound mound of L&E, directly in front of the game camera. Will be another 70 days before I go back to pull cards and refill feeders, but we shall see if one pile gets hit or disappears faster than the other. I don't have a dog in this fight either way and I buy equal amounts of both brand, but just curious if one is preferred over the other on my lease and thought yall might be interested in the results.
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#211 | |
Ten Point
Join Date: Mar 2016
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#212 |
Ten Point
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Shiner, TX
Hunt In: Dryden & Hallettsville, TX
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Well, this may be a more fair test in a way.
I've been feeding MG and Record Rack, so this will be both L&E and DD first introduction out there at the exact same time. |
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#213 |
Pope & Young
Join Date: Apr 2014
Location: San Angelo
Hunt In: Irion Co
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#214 |
Pope & Young
Join Date: Aug 2014
Location: Central Tx
Hunt In: NTX
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Under $9 a bag, I won't complain!
On our lease the lease manager buys both MG 20% and 18% MVP and one is like $8.60 and one is $9.20 or so. And the minerals are in there also. I can't afford $13 a bag on a low fence place. Not when we have 2 1000# protein feeders. |
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#215 |
Ten Point
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: Bryan, TX
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Looks like the 70%+ TDN isn't necessary. I think this ties back to the term "rumen" and basically means dear can only process so much protein.
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#216 |
Ten Point
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Shiner, TX
Hunt In: Dryden & Hallettsville, TX
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I think that would be accurate for a pen raised deer where the feed consumed was 100% of its diet. A deer in the wild will only make available protein PART of his diet and therefore I see TDN as being a much larger factor....
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#217 |
Ten Point
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: Bryan, TX
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I see what you're saying and it makes sense, rumen doesn't hurt the deer so havin excess protein is a negligible factor as far as deer are concerned.
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#218 | ||
Pope & Young
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Corsicana
Hunt In: Carrizo Springs
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ru·men roomn/ noun ZOOLOGY the first stomach of a ruminant, which receives food or cud from the esophagus, partly digests it with the aid of bacteria, and passes it to the reticulum. |
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#219 | |
Ten Point
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: Bryan, TX
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I don't know anything, just reading and trying to understand and learn. Thanks |
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#220 |
Pope & Young
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Corsicana
Hunt In: Carrizo Springs
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Total Digestible Nutrients (TDN) - The sum of the digestible protein, digestible nitrogen free extract, digestible crude fiber and the digestible fat. TDN accounts for the fecal loss of digestion and to a large extent the urinary energy loss.
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#221 | |
Four Point
Join Date: Feb 2015
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1. Indigestible - simple pass through. 2. Rumen Degradable Protein (Soluble) - I think this is significant because this fuels the rumen microorganisms. 3. Bypass protein - this is only broken down in the small intestines. Of course depending on the feedstuff used, a ration can vary greatly in Protein types - both how much is utilized and also where absorption takes place. |
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#222 |
Nubbin' Buck
Join Date: Nov 2016
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Has anyone tried Game Pro 16% or 20% from Justin Seed Company
What would the TDN be on this stuff Crude Protein, Min 16.00 Crude Fat, Min 4.00 Crude Fiber, Max 15.50 Calcium, Min 1.20 Calcium, Max 1.60 Phosphorus, Min 0.40 Salt, Min 0.60 Salt, Max 0.80 Copper, Min(ppm) 45 Zinc, Min (ppm) 225 Selenium, Min (ppm) 0.70 Vitamin A, Min (IU/LB) 15,000 Vitamin D, Min (IU/LB) 2,500 Vitamin E, Min (IU/LB) 50 |
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#223 |
Eight Point
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: New Braunfels TEXAS
Hunt In: Comal & Bee Co.
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What happened to this thread ? It's been more than 70 days and no results.
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#224 |
Ten Point
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Shiner, TX
Hunt In: Dryden & Hallettsville, TX
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These are the results:
Double Down = 82.6% Bee County Co-Op Deer Pellets 17 = 77.8% L&E = 76.7% Exxtreme Racks 20 = 74% Record Rack 20 = 71% AntlerMax 20 = 67% Red Chain 20 = 65% Fehner = 64.7% MG 18% MVP = 64.7% MG 20% ST = 60.9% Red Chain 17 = 60% What else are you looking for? Another feed? |
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#225 | |
Ten Point
Join Date: Nov 2015
Location: Burr
Hunt In: Down South
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#226 | |
Eight Point
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Houston
Hunt In: Duval County west of Freer
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#227 | |
Ten Point
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Shiner, TX
Hunt In: Dryden & Hallettsville, TX
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Switched to feeding L&E mixed with Roasted Soybeans and corn. Nothing against DD, just easier for me to get L&E and with its TDN%, I am very happy with it. Last edited by Black Gold; 03-03-2017 at 10:17 AM. |
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#228 |
Eight Point
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Houston
Hunt In: Duval County west of Freer
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I did a test last weekend with DD, L&E, and Record Rack. Put a pile of each in (4) different feed troughs next to cottonseed. Our deer ate 3x's as much DD then the other two combined over night. Nobody on our pasture of the neighboring pastures has ever fed DD. I was impressed.
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#229 | |
Ten Point
![]() Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: El Campo, TX
Hunt In: Kinney Co.TX
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#230 |
Pope & Young
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: Rockwall
Hunt In: NE Texas
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in for later
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#231 |
Pope & Young
![]() Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Midlothian, TX
Hunt In: Irion co, Navarro Co
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Not that we have a choice of LE or DD but I'll stick with the Angelo Pellets
Def enjoyed all the info, great offseason topic and discussion! |
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#232 |
Six Point
Join Date: Dec 2014
Location: Magnolia
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![]() ![]() Talked to Dr Kroll at the extravaganza and he was supporting Lonestar. Tdn looks good. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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#233 |
Ten Point
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Shiner, TX
Hunt In: Dryden & Hallettsville, TX
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These are the results we have for deer protein TDN:
Double Down = 82.6% Bee County Co-Op Deer Pellets 17 = 77.8% L&E = 76.7% LoneStar Horns Plus = 75% Exxtreme Racks 20 = 74% Record Rack 20 = 71% AntlerMax 20 = 67% Red Chain 20 = 65% Fehner = 64.7% MG 18% MVP = 64.7% MG 20% ST = 60.9% Red Chain 17 = 60% |
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#234 |
Four Point
Join Date: Aug 2017
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I feed several tons of "Outfitters 20% Deer Pellet" every year.
Triple C Hardware in Ozona sells it. I am mostly buying in bulk in a trailer now, but I still get some in sacks. The bags it comes in say "Triple C Hardware Deer Protein", but the tag says it is manufactured by AC Nutrition, out of Winters, TX. I sent AC an email about TDN. Glad I came across this thread. It's been very informative and I'm curious about Double Down. I see all their stuff on Facebook. |
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#235 |
Ten Point
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Shiner, TX
Hunt In: Dryden & Hallettsville, TX
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Added the Livengood Mega-Rack to the list. Boedeker Ag in Shiner quit carrying Double Down because they said it was too expensive. They switched to Mega-Rack because they said it was 'almost the same thing". Guess they didn't look at the TDN%....
These are the results we have for deer protein TDN: Double Down = 82.6% Bee County Co-Op Deer Pellets 17 = 77.8% L&E = 76.7% LoneStar Horns Plus = 75% Exxtreme Racks 20 = 74% Record Rack 20 = 71% AntlerMax 20 = 67% Red Chain 20 = 65% Fehner = 64.7% MG 18% MVP = 64.7% Livengood Mega-Rack = 63% MG 20% ST = 60.9% Red Chain 17 = 60% |
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#236 |
Ten Point
![]() Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Beeville, Texas
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Bee County Co-op 20% deer pellets from the Lab a few days ago.
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#237 |
Pope & Young
Join Date: Aug 2014
Location: Central Tx
Hunt In: NTX
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#238 | |
Pope & Young
Join Date: Apr 2014
Location: San Angelo
Hunt In: Irion Co
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#239 |
Ten Point
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Shiner, TX
Hunt In: Dryden & Hallettsville, TX
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#240 |
Ten Point
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Shiner, TX
Hunt In: Dryden & Hallettsville, TX
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#241 |
Eight Point
Join Date: Aug 2014
Location: Lufkin, Tx.
Hunt In: Polk & Angelina Co.
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#242 | |
Six Point
Join Date: Jun 2015
Location: Pipe Creek/Helotes
Hunt In: Mexico
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I may have to look at L&E again too. Thanks |
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#243 |
Eight Point
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Odessa TX
Hunt In: Reagan/Glasscock Counties
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Does anyone know the TDN% of moormans rack plus 18-4.
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#244 |
Ten Point
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Shiner, TX
Hunt In: Dryden & Hallettsville, TX
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At the request of baseball4, here is the list with the MoorMan's feed added:
These are the results we have for deer protein TDN: Double Down = 82.6% Bee County Co-Op Deer Pellets 17 = 77.8% Lyssey & Eckel 20% = 76.7% LoneStar Horns Plus = 75% Exxtreme Racks 20 = 74% MoorMan's Rack Plus Deer/Elk 18-4 = 71.5% Record Rack 20 = 71% AntlerMax 20 = 67% Red Chain 20 = 65% Fehner = 64.7% MG 18% MVP = 64.7% Livengood Mega-Rack = 63% MG 20% ST = 60.9% Red Chain 17 = 60% |
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#245 |
Eight Point
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Odessa TX
Hunt In: Reagan/Glasscock Counties
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Thank you.
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#246 |
Ten Point
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Kingwood, TX
Hunt In: San Augustine / Sabine Counties
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#247 |
Ten Point
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Shiner, TX
Hunt In: Dryden & Hallettsville, TX
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#248 |
Six Point
Join Date: Jun 2015
Location: Pipe Creek/Helotes
Hunt In: Mexico
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#249 |
Six Point
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Lindale Texas
Hunt In: San Angelo , East Texas
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does anyone have any idea what the TDN on black eye peas are the feed store owner in sterling city was talking about these when we went and bought protein last month said he feeds them at his personal place and they have like 25% protein they are cheap and we were going to try some just wondering we currently feed the angelo 17% pellet
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#250 |
Ten Point
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Shiner, TX
Hunt In: Dryden & Hallettsville, TX
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Most grains, peas, beans have a 90%+ TDN, but not the vitamin or mineral content of a pellet feed. Is like comparing apples to oranges. 100% roasted soybeans would be the highest protein percentage and TDN available, but would lack in vitamins and minerals compared to a pellet. Two totally different animals.
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