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Old 06-03-2012, 07:20 AM   #201
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Very cool so many different people lived on one hill over so many years, esp. paleo. Be careful of what you may uncover..........
Im quite excited at the possibilities of what we might uncover. A lady i know asked me if it didnt make me feel bad to dig into that site that had laid there for 12000 years.
My thought process is this.... The old Indian that posessed that Plainview undoubtedly cherished it for its art and beauty. No doubt it was a prized item to be shown and had great value. I can just guarantee you that if he could see 10,000 years into the future and watch me find his treasure that had gone unappreciated for that long, he would have smiled to see me whooping and yelling as I felt then same feelings he would have felt as he held that point and admired the perfect flaking and transparent stone.
By the way I have Cherokee and Kickapoo blood in me. My great great grandfather Jim Barclay donated the land for the Alabama/Caoshatta reservation in Livingston.
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Old 06-03-2012, 07:42 AM   #202
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Awesome thread.
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Old 06-03-2012, 07:47 AM   #203
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Very nice, you have a whole lot of history in your hand.
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Old 06-03-2012, 07:59 AM   #204
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Awesome thread keep em coming!
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Old 06-03-2012, 08:10 AM   #205
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Old 06-03-2012, 10:51 AM   #206
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Edge dulling goes way up the point to the red arrows.
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Old 06-03-2012, 11:08 AM   #207
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Im quite excited at the possibilities of what we might uncover. A lady i know asked me if it didnt make me feel bad to dig into that site that had laid there for 12000 years.
My thought process is this.... The old Indian that posessed that Plainview undoubtedly cherished it for its art and beauty. No doubt it was a prized item to be shown and had great value. I can just guarantee you that if he could see 10,000 years into the future and watch me find his treasure that had gone unappreciated for that long, he would have smiled to see me whooping and yelling as I felt then same feelings he would have felt as he held that point and admired the perfect flaking and transparent stone.
By the way I have Cherokee and Kickapoo blood in me. My great great grandfather Jim Barclay donated the land for the Alabama/Caoshatta reservation in Livingston.
Well said!
I, too, believe "treasures" are intended to be "found" to be truly appreciated.
my lineage contains Cherokee, as well.
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Old 06-03-2012, 11:12 AM   #208
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Yes sir, history is made to be preserved. People have no problem digging up dinosaur bones for preservation purposes so why should those points lay in the ground forever.
That plainview is off the hook. I have one made of rootbeer chirt with a little white tip on it I found near Charlotte. I teared up thinking about that ancestor when I found that point and the fact that no other human had held it in hundreds if not thousands of years.
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Old 06-03-2012, 11:32 AM   #209
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Not sure how i missed this but following now. Awesome thread
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Yes sir, history is made to be preserved. People have no problem digging up dinosaur bones for preservation purposes so why should those points lay in the ground forever.
That plainview is off the hook. I have one made of rootbeer chirt with a little white tip on it I found near Charlotte. I teared up thinking about that ancestor when I found that point and the fact that no other human had held it in hundreds if not thousands of years.
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Thanks Rubydog and Bar2. Finding a really rare and ancient point is emotional for me as well. when we found it, my wife was standing by the sifter. Unknown to me she started snapping pictures as I washed it and showed it to my Dad, clean. Those are special pics and shows her wisdom in taking them when she realized this was a special moment. Maybe i will post them someday.
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Old 06-03-2012, 02:10 PM   #211
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What a great thread!

You have inspired me to start looking on my place just north of L. Somerville and my parents place just south of the Lake. Both have creeks running through them and have high banks. o

I don't want to hi-jack this by any means but I have a question. My parents place has waterfall and corresponding permanent water hole that goes with it. But its not a spring.
It does not have is a good source of flint but does have some gravel. The question is: Does this matter that the rock source used to make artifacts is not close the creeks?

Thanks very much! We do need a sticky for this thread.
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Old 06-03-2012, 02:12 PM   #212
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What a great thread!

You have inspired me to start looking on my place just north of L. Somerville and my parents place just south of the Lake. Both have creeks running through them and have high banks. o

I don't want to hi-jack this by any means but I have a question. My parents place has waterfall and corresponding permanent water hole that goes with it. But its not a spring.
It does not have is a good source of flint but does have some gravel. The question is: Does this matter that the rock source used to make artifacts is not close the creeks?

Thanks very much! We do need a sticky for this thread.


No it doesnt matter. There will likely be a camp site there.
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Old 06-03-2012, 03:04 PM   #213
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No it doesnt matter. There will likely be a camp site there.
if you or johnny ever get down deep this way, there are bunches of points to be found on the place I hunt. I'm just not into combing but several guys do very well. I would just like to know how in the heck you spot a camp!! It all looks the same out in that desert & have no idea how they thrived in such harsh country??

We also have the very endagered star cactus (looks like peyote) which is pretty cool.

I really dig those finger nail size bird points & that first one you have in post 155...most of the ones down here retain a more basic triangular shape.

again, very cool thread...
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Old 06-03-2012, 03:15 PM   #214
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Great thread and Great Testimony. You go Gar Guy. I will be following. My Dad and I hunted arrowheads (surface) all my life. He is gone now but when I see your post it reminds me of the many great hours we had together looking for heads. Thanks.
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Old 06-03-2012, 03:23 PM   #215
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Keep em coming.
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Old 06-03-2012, 03:37 PM   #216
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Awesome finds so far.
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Old 06-03-2012, 05:28 PM   #217
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Such an awesome thread, been following along, I have found a handful of pieces but nothing complete. Closest I ever had to a full one was the first one I ever found it just had a slightly broken tip. Let my brother take it to school for show and tell and he dropped and broke it. I was so mad when he gave me the pieces I chunked them out in the backyard :/ I regret that
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Old 06-03-2012, 05:32 PM   #218
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Im quite excited at the possibilities of what we might uncover. A lady i know asked me if it didnt make me feel bad to dig into that site that had laid there for 12000 years.
My thought process is this.... The old Indian that posessed that Plainview undoubtedly cherished it for its art and beauty. No doubt it was a prized item to be shown and had great value. I can just guarantee you that if he could see 10,000 years into the future and watch me find his treasure that had gone unappreciated for that long, he would have smiled to see me whooping and yelling as I felt then same feelings he would have felt as he held that point and admired the perfect flaking and transparent stone.
By the way I have Cherokee and Kickapoo blood in me. My great great grandfather Jim Barclay donated the land for the Alabama/Caoshatta reservation in Livingston.
I have been hunting points all my life to. I have been working on one mound since I was a boy. I have sifted many nice points off it. Wish I had the equipment you have, I could realy cover some ground. There are whole pots, just have to locate them with a probe first. Here is a point I found a few years back that I have not been able to classify, do you know what it is? Its unlike anything else I have found at this site. Most all my sites were caddoe camps. I find my paleo points in the north sulphur river.
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Old 06-03-2012, 08:52 PM   #219
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Looks like a Gower to me.
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Old 06-03-2012, 09:27 PM   #220
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Could be an ensor or a Frio also. Where did it come from?
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Old 06-03-2012, 09:33 PM   #221
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Crazy good thread.
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Old 06-03-2012, 09:40 PM   #222
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Could be an ensor or a Frio also. Where did it come from?
Hopkins County. Off Whiteoak Creek.
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Old 06-03-2012, 10:55 PM   #223
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I know you've done the math on here, but I still can't wrap my head around how there are so many points in one location. I've never found and arrowhead and wouldn't even know how to get started. It just amazes me how you located such an area and had so much belief in it that you bought it just to dig. I love this thread. When I think of buying property, it's to retire on!! Keep it up, I'm lovin it!
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Old 06-04-2012, 05:35 AM   #224
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Thanks, I have been plesantly surprised at how well it has been recieved. Not sure why I posted it. I generally shy away from sensitive stuff on open forums.


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Old 06-04-2012, 06:36 AM   #225
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Headed out to dig!
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Old 06-04-2012, 06:48 AM   #226
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Headed out to dig!
good luck. drink lots of water. gonna be toasty.
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Old 06-04-2012, 06:51 AM   #227
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What a great thread!

You have inspired me to start looking on my place just north of L. Somerville and my parents place just south of the Lake. Both have creeks running through them and have high banks. o

I don't want to hi-jack this by any means but I have a question. My parents place has waterfall and corresponding permanent water hole that goes with it. But its not a spring.
It does not have is a good source of flint but does have some gravel. The question is: Does this matter that the rock source used to make artifacts is not close the creeks?

Thanks very much! We do need a sticky for this thread.
it may very well have been a spring back before our voracious water use. wells have reduced the levels of underground water making many springs only seasonal, and others not at all. sounds like you have a great site, as long as it is above flood stages.
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Old 06-04-2012, 06:54 AM   #228
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WHOOO HOOOOOOO! Finally got out there and started digging about 630pm. Was still digging way down off the main site tto complete my drainage. The first couple of buckets didnt show much and I was really wanting to dig somewhere else but i knew i needed to clean this spot up so it would drain. Next buck got me about 4ft deep and i saw an obvious pile of ancient charcoal. I put that bucket in the sifter and went back and got another bucket of the same material. I killed the loader and walked to the sifter to see what was showing. as i walked up, Dad grabbed a long sleek Plainview from the screen and handed it to me still coated in dirt! I quickly washed it and he asked if it was damaged. NO IT WASNT!!!! It was flawless except the base wasnt perfectly symetrical! It is so thin that you can see through it and some of the best ancient workmanship i have ever seen.
After a little celebration, we started digging again and found several more really nice whole points although most were shallower than the Plainview. These came from dirt I didnt even want to sift!
all the other points look worse for the comparison. the plainview is so nice.
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Old 06-04-2012, 07:27 AM   #229
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Update. I worked on one problem after another this evening and finally got my crap together. I needed to cut a drainage ditch for our first hole so i started working on it. I had the sifter set up and ready so my Dad says ,"Lets just sift the stuff you are digging out ffor the ditch." Now i was on the very edge of the site and didnt think it was worth sifting but it was only 30 minutes till dark so i poured it in the sifter.
We found more than i expected although most of it was rough. We found five or six decent points including a nice Langtry and a killer marshall plus a 5 gallon bucket of chips and scrapers.
Now thats cool.... worth all the diesel
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Old 06-04-2012, 10:19 AM   #230
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Well you have my interest, we have a natural spring on our lease. Cedar creek also feeds PK lake on the lease. I am going to start looking hard, I just don't know the tale tell signs of what to look for. Guess I will just dig and look! Great thread very interesting!

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Old 06-04-2012, 11:33 AM   #231
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Well you have my interest, we have a natural spring on our lease. Cedar creek also feeds PK lake on the lease. I am going to start looking hard, I just don't know the tale tell signs of what to look for. Guess I will just dig and look! Great thread very interesting!

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Look for the closest area that is out of the floodplain. There are usually a hill or rise near creekbottoms. Search for chips of flint and you should be able to tell pretty quick if there was a camp.
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Old 06-04-2012, 11:43 AM   #232
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more pics!
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Old 06-04-2012, 11:59 AM   #233
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this is still an awsome thread!
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Old 06-04-2012, 02:09 PM   #234
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Thank you Mr. Mercer!
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Old 06-04-2012, 03:03 PM   #235
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Well you have my interest, we have a natural spring on our lease. Cedar creek also feeds PK lake on the lease. I am going to start looking hard, I just don't know the tale tell signs of what to look for. Guess I will just dig and look! Great thread very interesting!

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Old 06-04-2012, 08:25 PM   #236
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What is the total on points? This is really a good thread
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Old 06-04-2012, 10:15 PM   #237
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Well i just got in. This was my first full day of digging. I didnt get a count but WELL over 200 points today alone! I just took pics of some of the more interesting stuff but there were a LOT of nice points.

I found a big double fluted blade. Not sure what it is. Where is Johnny when you need him?
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That's amazing.
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Old 06-04-2012, 10:26 PM   #239
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Old 06-04-2012, 10:34 PM   #240
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You had an awsome day! Found any celts or grooved axes on this site yet? You are living the life brother
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Not from this site. I have uhhh several....
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Old 06-04-2012, 10:45 PM   #242
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wow, this thread is like Christmas everytime I come back to it.
Congrats again.
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Old 06-04-2012, 10:49 PM   #243
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Please please please keep updating like you have been, I check in on this everyday and it all blows my mind. I hope to one day have a collection just half the size as just one of your picture updates.
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Old 06-04-2012, 11:12 PM   #244
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That plainview type looks to be made out of very beautiful material. A really nice piece indeed!

Your latest haul obviously is mostly woodland type points but a couple of pieces look like andice to me. The white one with the long stem looks like one but is missing it's wings and the ears were reworked? Also, that reddish piece looks like it could possibly be a blank for an andice perhaps? I say that because of the shape and I can easily see that being worked into one very easily. Interesting pieces for sure garguy!

Keep em coming my man.
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Old 06-05-2012, 12:51 AM   #245
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Outstanding - best thread ever!! More, please!
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Old 06-05-2012, 02:02 AM   #246
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Old 06-05-2012, 03:35 AM   #247
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This is so Dang Cool.... to follow this is Great!!!!!!!
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Old 06-05-2012, 05:58 AM   #248
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wow aint that some cool finds!!
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Old 06-05-2012, 06:33 AM   #249
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That plainview type looks to be made out of very beautiful material. A really nice piece indeed!

Your latest haul obviously is mostly woodland type points but a couple of pieces look like andice to me. The white one with the long stem looks like one but is missing it's wings and the ears were reworked? Also, that reddish piece looks like it could possibly be a blank for an andice perhaps? I say that because of the shape and I can easily see that being worked into one very easily. Interesting pieces for sure garguy!

Keep em coming my man.
Never thought of that being an Andice blank. I have found Andice in this site. I found another Andice barb yesterday.

Later... gotta go dig!
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Old 06-05-2012, 06:39 AM   #250
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I know you've done the math on here, but I still can't wrap my head around how there are so many points in one location. I've never found and arrowhead and wouldn't even know how to get started. It just amazes me how you located such an area and had so much belief in it that you bought it just to dig. I love this thread. When I think of buying property, it's to retire on!! Keep it up, I'm lovin it!
This X10!
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