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Old 11-10-2017, 10:43 AM   #1
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So I decided to pick up a magnum long action from the classifieds here. Purely for the reason I've just had the itch for a couple of years to put together a one off hunting rifle for myself. Not going to be a 1000 yard gun or anything like that. Generally our furthest shots may reach 300-400 yards at most. Wasn't a need thing, just a want.

Right now I'm in the air between doing a 264 win mag or just keep it tried and true 7mm Remmy Mag. Still deciding what twist rate would be my best bet also.

I'm currently not reloading but it's a work in progress. Mainly because I have a 280 also and want to work up some simple solid loads for that.

I'm not going to do the work myself, from everything I've read there's no since in going Custom just to leave the action untrued or cut and I want it done right. So still figuring out who to send it in to (obvious choices seem to be APR, hill country or PAC-Nor)

Also, not going the aftermarket stock route. I want to use a stock Remington Lss stock (grey/black laminate) and somewhat match the custom to the look of my 280.
Will pillars and a bedding job be enough?

Really just looking for any advice for a first timer. All the custom rifle stuff is pretty new to me. I don't want to call up a gunsmith and sound like a complete idiot.
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7mm is a good round (I have a custom built), but from what you are describing another great option would be a 6.5x284. This caliber is becoming commonly available in factory loads and is a great all purpose hunting round. If you stick with the 7mm the 1:10 twist works well for factory 140-160g pills, I have a 1:9 twist but I shoot 180g Bergers out of mine. The 6.5 I would be looking at a 1:8. APR makes some fine rifles and I would be happy to send mine to them to have work done. There are alot more informed folks on here, but this information is what I would suggest.
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6.5X284 is a great caliber and if you reload soon it will be easier to produce quality ammo as well. The 6.5 caliber has a large array of projectiles to suit your needs as well. What it really comes down to is your preference. Im a 6.5 caliber fan personally, just my 0.02

Another builder that you might look at is Long Rifles Inc in South Dakota. I have had a couple rifles built by them and they are absolute hammers. Chad Dixon runs a great ship and is extremely knowledgeable. They have a super fast turn around as well.
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I went with a custom 7mm STW from JW Hart and sons, What a great rifle ! there is a whole of options in the 7 mm
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Old 11-10-2017, 01:32 PM   #6
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Derp!! You sho right

300 WM gets my vote!! you can load down for deer or up for elk/bigger game.
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I went with a custom 7mm STW from JW Hart and sons, What a great rifle ! there is a whole of options in the 7 mm
My cousin recently acquired a rifle in this chamber and holy crap what a barrel burner. I shoot WAY to much to even consider that caliber. But man those ballistics are impressive!
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The 7mm STW was also suggested to me by a friend. Only reason I was thinking of a 6.5 round was because I already have a 7mm rifle. But, then again having two would make things a little more stream lined with reloading. (Using same bullet and so forth)
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Look at 7mmAPR and 7mmLRM. The LRM is based on the 375 Ruger IIRC, developed by Gunwerks (Best of the West guys). They liked the 6.5-284 so much they decided to develop a scaled up magnum version of it.

The APR is based on 300WM brass, necked down to 7mm, then "improved" similar to an ackley improved case, shoulder blown out to a steeper angle and less body taper.

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Look at 7mmAPR and 7mmLRM. The LRM is based on the 375 Ruger IIRC, developed by Gunwerks (Best of the West guys). They liked the 6.5-284 so much they decided to develop a scaled up magnum version of it.

The APR is based on 300WM brass, necked down to 7mm, then "improved" similar to an ackley improved case, shoulder blown out to a steeper angle and less body taper.

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Those may be a little out of the ordinary for me being pretty new to it all but ill look them up
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28 Nosler gets my vote.
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6.5-257 Weatherby. Obviously a wildcat and reload only but is a good compromise between the 6.5-284 and 6.5 super magnums. Don’t know if you’d gain anything over the 264 Win Mag though.


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This may be a stupid question but if researched a little and never saw an exact answer.
If I have a magnum long action can I swap the bolt out to a standard long action?
Or is there more gunsmith work involved?
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You can swap the bolt out but you need to then ask about the feed rails. They may be to wide for a standard chambering.

I'd suggest a 7RM for what you're looking for in an 8 or 9 twist for heavies then load the 280 with 120-140's.

I'd also consider the good ole 264wm. You could go with a 6.5-300 WBY and be laser flat out to your 3-400 yard mark and even try the new 155 Berger which would be like the hammer of Thor from a magnum.

If you wanted to go with any of the Nosler magnums it would require you to widen the feed rails.

As stated above, the new 7APR would make a great round but is way more power then you need.

I must say if it's a "want" I'd go with the 264wm or 6.5-300 WBY and have some fun.
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This may be a stupid question but if researched a little and never saw an exact answer.
If I have a magnum long action can I swap the bolt out to a standard long action?
Or is there more gunsmith work involved?
it will be cheaper in the long run to trade, swap, (or sell) the Magnum action for a non-magnum long action

magnum actions are very desirable as it should be hard to trade/sell
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I have a 7mm RUM in the Remington 700 that I have been shooting for over 10 years. I don't shoot it a lot because it is not a rifle, like my varmint calibers, that I take out and shoot a lot of rounds at a given time.
My go to load for it is the Barnes TTSX 145 gr LRX over H1000. I have it topped with a Leupold 4.5x14 with a CDS dial specific to this load.
I don't worry about burning a barrel out on it because I don't run a ton of rounds through it. While there are a lot of long range calibers out there, I can tell that this round will get it done for whatever distance I want to shoot it.
Just another caliber for you to think about.
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Thanks again for the help guys.
Right now it's still looking like a 264 wm or the 7 Rem mag.
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Old 11-25-2017, 10:12 AM   #18
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So finally got my hands on the stock I want to use and picked up a bottom metal setup with the magazine and spring off of fleabay... short actions are everywhere but the long action bottom pieces are a little more scarce

Pretty much just down to buying a trigger and figuring out which barrel.
Caliber wise I think I'm just going to stick with the 7mm Remington mag. Based mostly on the ability to sling a slightly heavier pill and still have the ability to find a variety of good factory ammo until reloading comes more into play.
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Based on your reasons it sounds to me like you are making a good decision. Personally I’d take the 264wm any day over the 7mag but that is just my preference as a hand loader.

Now get you that barrel and give it all to a reputable Smith so you can start shooting!


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Old 11-25-2017, 05:10 PM   #20
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Can't go wrong with the .264WM .. Shoot those 140gr VLD's at over 3100 fps!
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Well. Ordered a barrel
decided to take the 6.5 route and go .264 win mag
Shilen Match grade 1:8 twist #17 contour (sendero) 28" in length.

Admittedly I wanted something different, and since I already have a .280 I figured I'm good enough in the 7mm category for the time being. Besides, midway had the barrel in stock and the 7mm I wanted was backordered.
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Love when those decisions get made for you! Good luck on your new build!! Keep us updated on the progress.


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Excellent choice and just in time for the new 155 Bergers which are due out soon.

Have you decided on a smith yet?
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Well. Ordered a barrel
decided to take the 6.5 route and go .264 win mag
Shilen Match grade 1:8 twist #17 contour (sendero) 28" in length.

Admittedly I wanted something different, and since I already have a .280 I figured I'm good enough in the 7mm category for the time being. Besides, midway had the barrel in stock and the 7mm I wanted was backordered.
will the Stock you have work with a sendero contour barrel?
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Love when those decisions get made for you! Good luck on your new build!! Keep us updated on the progress.


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Right? Not like I couldn't have waited but this morning it seemed logical enough, !'m sure down the road ill go back to thinking I need a 7mm again

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Excellent choice and just in time for the new 155 Bergers which are due out soon.

Have you decided on a smith yet?
I was looking into that a bit, most of the early stuff I've seen wasn't really dedicated to the 264 win mag but rather the shorter 6.5's

To run that long of a pill I'm trying to figure out if ill have to have the chamber setup any differently or if what I was reading was just the shorter action stuff.

And no sir not sure on the smith. Considering APR just because they sponser here and everyone seems pleased with them, but also considered finding someone closer to my area and keep it more local. I would have just gone with pac-nor had I used there barrel but since I bought the barrel myself I dismissed that.

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will the Stock you have work with a sendero contour barrel?
Not entirely sure but I think the barrel channel can be opened up enough.
If nits not reasonable, Ill look into something else and save the stock I have
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I haven't looked into it at all, but I bet you'll be fine with the 155's considering you're running a long action which can handle 300WM and even longer, yet the 264 case is considerably shorter than the 300's case. I bet you'll be fine.
On top of that, if you have to seat the bullet a little deeper into the case and it protrudes below the neck shoulder junction a little, it's not the end of the world. It's not ideal or perfect, but I bet there's not more than a handful of shooters who can shoot well enough to see the accuracy loss. Yes you lose a little powder space, but who cares? You're already shooting an overbore round, it'll be okay. Just make sure the ogive is above the case mouth wand you'll be fine IMO.

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I haven't looked into it at all, but I bet you'll be fine with the 155's considering you're running a long action which can handle 300WM and even longer, yet the 264 case is considerably shorter than the 300's case. I bet you'll be fine.
On top of that, if you have to seat the bullet a little deeper into the case and it protrudes below the neck shoulder junction a little, it's not the end of the world. It's not ideal or perfect, but I bet there's not more than a handful of shooters who can shoot well enough to see the accuracy loss. Yes you lose a little powder space, but who cares? You're already shooting an overbore round, it'll be okay. Just make sure the ogive is above the case mouth wand you'll be fine IMO.

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That's pretty much what I was betting on as well, being as I haven't gotten totally into reloading yet I just didn't dig into it too hard. I figured by the time I do someone will have figured that out and probably will even be a recipe out there.

On the issue of the stock barrel channel, I dug around a bit via google and turned up this.
http://www.armslist.com/posts/552068...nded--7-mm-mag

Apparently someone has done it. As to how feasible it is or how much material is left is to be determined. The stock I have WAS off of a 300 RUM I think...so the barrel channel should be the heavy magnum contour already. So I don't think its going to be a far cry from doable
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I think you will be happy with the 264 especially at the ranges you mentioned.

Best advice I can give is go with a reputable Smith even if it means waiting longer or having to send your rifle out.

APR seems to have a good rep here. Also check out Long Rifles Inc in South Dakota. I have two rifles done by them and not only are they hammers but they are super fast turn around.

GA Precision
Spartan Rifles
Beanland Customs

to name a few.

And Horizon Firearms out of Bryan/College Station is putting out some good stuff as well.


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I think you will be happy with the 264 especially at the ranges you mentioned.

Best advice I can give is go with a reputable Smith even if it means waiting longer or having to send your rifle out.

APR seems to have a good rep here. Also check out Long Rifles Inc in South Dakota. I have two rifles done by them and not only are they hammers but they are super fast turn around.

GA Precision
Spartan Rifles
Beanland Customs

to name a few.

And Horizon Firearms out of Bryan/College Station is putting out some good stuff as well.


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Thanks for the suggestions. I'll look into them

I'm stuck at work but had the Gf shoot me a picture of the barrel channel. Looks like there's enough meat there.




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Looks like you will be able to get a sendaro contour in there no problem with minor trimming if any. Of course your smith will take care of that no problem


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You could take that 280 and ream it to 280ai then you’d essentially have 7 mag performance already. After that go with the .264 then you’d have the spectrum covered


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You could take that 280 and ream it to 280ai then you’d essentially have 7 mag performance already. After that go with the .264 then you’d have the spectrum covered


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It's been a thought. But..the 280 shoots great so for now just going to let it be.
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I see you are in Edna. There is a great gun shop in Victoria. Look at Crossroads Precision Rifles. They are on Facebook as well. I had them build a rifle for me and worked on several more all are shooters.
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Good choice on the 264 win mag. I run 140 Bergers at 3230. Rifle is a hammer.
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I see you are in Edna. There is a great gun shop in Victoria. Look at Crossroads Precision Rifles. They are on Facebook as well. I had them build a rifle for me and worked on several more all are shooters.

Awesome. I'll check them out. Local is always a good thing, I'm surprised I never heard of them
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Awesome. I'll check them out. Local is always a good thing, I'm surprised I never heard of them
I sent you a pm with contact info.
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Well, per gvicks suggestion followed up by a phone call to Crossroads Precision it sounds like I found my smith. Russell was great to talk to and it sounds like we are both on the same page for the overall build. I'm extremely happy to be able to keep this local and will likely be visiting their shop in the next week or so to talk more specifics after the barrel and trigger arrive.
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That’s awesome. Glad you found something close.


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Things are getting real now. All the parts are in.
Going to make a visit to the smith this week and look everything over and talk options, will probably wait until the holidays are out of the way before continuing.


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I think your will be happy with the 264 Win Mag and it is a good round. To get the most from it reloading is a good thing, or at least it is for me and my 264. Didn't see this earlier or would be suggesting Live Oak Accuracy in Wylie, TX. Scott builds some very good rifles and will build it like you want.

Pillar and glass bedding should be good to go for the stock and I doubt he barrel channel needs any material removed and if it does that I a simple thing for a good smith. Scott actually turned a barrel blank to match what we channeled out of the stock on my rifle that he did to match. Great wood to metal finish on it now and if I want another just like it he has the CNC programs used to do that work.
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Well I posted a pic but I can't even see it now.

Yessir reloading is in the cards but not right away. And for the smith I'm going to use a local guy rather than ship parts all over. Crossroads precision rifles here in Victoria. Talked to the guy a week or so ago, was super nice and when I told him want I wanted sounded like nothing would be an issue and he was familiar with the caliber so all good so far.
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Sounds good and there are a lot of good smiths out there that can work with the 700 actions. That is part of the beauty of the 700, it is not complicated in any way and easy to work with. Just wish Remington would do a little more careful work with them before pushing them out the door for their factory rifles.
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After talking with Russell and discussing what it would run to make this laminate stock be everything I wanted it was just going to be a little more than what I considered worth it.
That said, Red Hawk rifles has grayboe stocks 20% off so that was an obvious choice for me given the great reviews I’ve been hearing.

Decided on a grayboe terrain in a tan with black web.
I hadn’t seen a ton of reviews on this model since it’s new but the flush cup sling studs on the side and the dual studs up front were a cool plus. Not to mention it fell I between that M5 stock design and a modern hunting stock. Should fit my needs well with the heavy barrel

Also decided to fully blueprint the action and time the bolt as well as go with the m16 style extractor.
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Old 12-09-2017, 05:28 PM   #44
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Just in case you haven’t made up your mind on the magnum, I’ve got a 700 long action standard bolt that I’m wanting to trade for a magnum. Let me know if you’re interested.
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Old 12-09-2017, 07:50 PM   #45
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If I didn’t already have all the parts for the gun I might take you up on that. But pretty much settled in on the .264
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Old 12-09-2017, 08:01 PM   #46
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Sounds like a nice set up bud! Cant wait to see the finished product!!
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Old 12-09-2017, 08:27 PM   #47
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Quote:
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If I didn’t already have all the parts for the gun I might take you up on that. But pretty much settled in on the .264
Haha, you could still do a 6.5-.284!
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Old 12-09-2017, 08:47 PM   #48
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Nah I’m good. Appreciate it though.
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Old 12-09-2017, 11:44 PM   #49
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