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Old 07-12-2018, 05:25 PM   #51
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BoB, those dogs you have are some of the best looking ever put on TBH. I know you are partial to them and I can see why, sort of like me being partial to my Rotties!
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Just saw this and don't have time to read all the replies, hope you're still reading. These dogs need LOTS of exercise AND a job. I saw you said you have property, that's great, but do you have ALOT of time to spend with the dog? My K9 is a Mal. Days I don't work I take him out and RUN him with a toy at least 3 times a day. He will drive me nuts if I don't. The days I do work I still have to take him out and run him once or twice a day. My department pays me an hour a day to care for my dog. I spend that or more EVERY DAY with him. If they don't get enough attention and exercise they can develop very bad habits (digging, chewing, constant barking, etc).

As much as I love my partner, I don't recommend the breed except as a working dog. If you're not into some kind of dog sports (Schutzhund, KNPV, etc) with lots of time on your hands I would go with a German Shepherd (my first K9 was a GSD). Much better family bonding, usually not as destructive, better family dogs in general.

Side note, our other K9 handler's first dog was a Mal, very sensitive to storms (thunder/lightning). My dog is terrified of storms. I used to love watching thunderstorms from the porch. Now I dread them. He will wake me up 45 minutes before a storm gets here just to tell me I'm not allowed to sleep until it's gone. Maybe a coincidence, maybe not. Same dog will run into gunfire without hesitation, but thunder and fireworks and I'm not sleeping.
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Just saw this and don't have time to read all the replies, hope you're still reading. These dogs need LOTS of exercise AND a job. I saw you said you have property, that's great, but do you have ALOT of time to spend with the dog? My K9 is a Mal. Days I don't work I take him out and RUN him with a toy at least 3 times a day. He will drive me nuts if I don't. The days I do work I still have to take him out and run him once or twice a day. My department pays me an hour a day to care for my dog. I spend that or more EVERY DAY with him. If they don't get enough attention and exercise they can develop very bad habits (digging, chewing, constant barking, etc).

As much as I love my partner, I don't recommend the breed except as a working dog. If you're not into some kind of dog sports (Schutzhund, KNPV, etc) with lots of time on your hands I would go with a German Shepherd (my first K9 was a GSD). Much better family bonding, usually not as destructive, better family dogs in general.

Side note, our other K9 handler's first dog was a Mal, very sensitive to storms (thunder/lightning). My dog is terrified of storms. I used to love watching thunderstorms from the porch. Now I dread them. He will wake me up 45 minutes before a storm gets here just to tell me I'm not allowed to sleep until it's gone. Maybe a coincidence, maybe not. Same dog will run into gunfire without hesitation, but thunder and fireworks and I'm not sleeping.
I have decided against a Mal. Going with GSD. Thanks for the input though
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BoB, those dogs you have are some of the best looking ever put on TBH. I know you are partial to them and I can see why, sort of like me being partial to my Rotties!
Thanks. I like yours too.

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Old 07-12-2018, 05:51 PM   #55
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I have decided against a Mal. Going with GSD. Thanks for the input though
Good decision in my opinion. Went back and read the rest of the posts and will agree the GSD is also more intelligent. I was absolutely amazed at how intelligent my GSD was after owning labs/lab mixes all my life. Mals are great working dogs, but are very high maintenance. Breeding lines do make a difference, but getting a puppy you never know what genes that dog actually got until they begin maturing.

I will have another GSD in my lifetime. If I do get another Mal it will only be as a working dog.
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Just saw this and don't have time to read all the replies, hope you're still reading. These dogs need LOTS of exercise AND a job. I saw you said you have property, that's great, but do you have ALOT of time to spend with the dog? My K9 is a Mal. Days I don't work I take him out and RUN him with a toy at least 3 times a day. He will drive me nuts if I don't. The days I do work I still have to take him out and run him once or twice a day. My department pays me an hour a day to care for my dog. I spend that or more EVERY DAY with him. If they don't get enough attention and exercise they can develop very bad habits (digging, chewing, constant barking, etc).

As much as I love my partner, I don't recommend the breed except as a working dog. If you're not into some kind of dog sports (Schutzhund, KNPV, etc) with lots of time on your hands I would go with a German Shepherd (my first K9 was a GSD). Much better family bonding, usually not as destructive, better family dogs in general.

Side note, our other K9 handler's first dog was a Mal, very sensitive to storms (thunder/lightning). My dog is terrified of storms. I used to love watching thunderstorms from the porch. Now I dread them. He will wake me up 45 minutes before a storm gets here just to tell me I'm not allowed to sleep until it's gone. Maybe a coincidence, maybe not. Same dog will run into gunfire without hesitation, but thunder and fireworks and I'm not sleeping.
My dog is the opposite. Obviously he is not trained like your K9. He pays no attention to storms or fireworks but is very gun shy. I did all the loud noise training when he was young.

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Old 07-12-2018, 05:53 PM   #57
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With all that has been said.....
I have been spoiled by Bagley for the last 7 or 8 years.
I take her to work with me and never have a concern about anyone being in the building that does not belong and sleep well at night knowing someone would have their hands full if they tried to break into the house.

I know in a couple of years she will be done.


I will be in the market for another protection dog. I owned a white German Shepard 20 years ago that was afraid of everything and would hide under a trailer if a stranger drove up.

What is a good breed to have around that will bite when you need them to but still safe to take to work?
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With all that has been said.....
I have been spoiled by Bagley for the last 7 or 8 years.
I take her to work with me and never have a concern about anyone being in the building that does not belong and sleep well at night knowing someone would have their hands full if they tried to break into the house.

I know in a couple of years she will be done.


I will be in the market for another protection dog. I owned a white German Shepard 20 years ago that was afraid of everything and would hide under a trailer if a stranger drove up.

What is a good breed to have around that will bite when you need them to but still safe to take to work?
White GSDs are not good lines. The dog you described was the result of bad nteeding which plagued the breed in the US. I had a freind years ago that had a big one and he would tear your limbs off. Lol. Her friends could not go near him.

The answer to your question is a well bred GSD, Doberman or Rottweiler. However the average dog owner should not have a powerful dog that will bite.

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Old 07-12-2018, 06:02 PM   #59
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Thanks for this thread and input! I have read much of the same and I'm very cautious of breeds like this anymore. I found out very quick much the same with the Akita's, Kuma...

What has been described reminds me of folks who buy pointers, short hairs and never exercise or hunt them? After Kuma passed we now have a Catahoula that is SO protective (great) but I have to be on "point" when anyone is around that Myla does not know?

I spent a lot of $$ when I first got RIP Kuma...told by several Vets and owners to have him trained. He minded me, would walk beside me and respond to hand/verbal commands but let another "critter" make the mistake and they were DRT.

Just too many folks who get a "high spirited" canine and don't research to their breeding....not much help but as usual my 2cents.
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Akitas are beyond powerful. Lol.

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Old 07-12-2018, 06:40 PM   #61
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Who is this person pretending to be BOB?
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Old 07-12-2018, 06:43 PM   #62
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I have one and love that sucker to death. Heís about a year and half old and the only true problem is he tends to still get a little mouthy when he gets too excited. But other than that Iíve hardly met a more intelligent dog
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Old 07-12-2018, 08:24 PM   #63
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This is my girl, she's a GSD from the Netherlands. She his fairly high drive, but crazy focused on work/play, doesn't mind the puppy (also GSD, from a friend's family litter) jumping on her or anything. Hopefully the pup will catch on how to behave from her and save me some work, lol.

I've got some friends with Mals, crazy dogs, NEED to have a job to do, not just running around.

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Old 07-12-2018, 08:31 PM   #64
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This is Maximus, passed away two years ago, but an awesome well behaved dog.
Loved all kids, but wouldn't trust strangers until he saw I was good with them. Then would love them.
With no training, he figured out how to find my deer, and his last season hunting, he even retrieved a duck from the middle of the pond for me.
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Old 07-12-2018, 09:37 PM   #67
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Just not use to you excepting and complimenting other breeds so nicely. Just a lame attempt at humor.
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Old 07-12-2018, 10:26 PM   #68
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BoB is a man that came out Saturday night with his wife and cheered on Riley at the Wimberley Rodeo and even though she didn't have the greatest run he cheered her on and praised her afterwards. BoB aka Billy is a good man even though he is a butthurt longhorn loyal
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BoB is a man that came out Saturday night with his wife and cheered on Riley at the Wimberley Rodeo and even though she didn't have the greatest run he cheered her on and praised her afterwards. BoB aka Billy is a good man even though he is a butthurt longhorn loyal
Again ..just jokes fellas. bob is usually sensitive when it comes to dog talk except in this thread hence the comment. Did not realize it was such serious subject but now I know. Carry on with dog talk.
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Do not get discourage from getting a Malinois. Understand that most of the LE, Military K9's come from European working lines and go thru a selection process that required for them to have the requisite drives to perform a specific task. That is the reason for some of the comments of guys that are currently working or have experience with LE working Mals.

I am a trainer/instructor for my Agency for detection work. I have the experience of training Malinois, GSD, DDR/Czech, Dutch Shepherd. I am on my third service K9, all of them Mals. Two of them currently live with me at this time, one is 11 years old and retired over a year ago, the other one is 2 years old and is currently my working partner.


One thing to consider between the GSD/DDS-Czech and Malinois is their life span. Malinois tent to live longer with less health issues and hip problems. I seen GSD and DDS-Czech that have to be retired at six years due to hip problems.


You already have the space, and if you have the time talk to some reputable breeders let them know what are you looking for and they should be able to recommend one that is suitable for family and personal protection.
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Again ..just jokes fellas. bob is usually sensitive when it comes to dog talk except in this thread hence the comment. Did not realize it was such serious subject but now I know. Carry on with dog talk.
Nah. Bob just likes to talk smack and jack with people. Lol. In this case a friend is looking at getting a dog. Not the right time for smack.

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Do not get discourage from getting a Malinois. Understand that most of the LE, Military K9's come from European working lines and go thru a selection process that required for them to have the requisite drives to perform a specific task. That is the reason for some of the comments of guys that are currently working or have experience with LE working Mals.

I am a trainer/instructor for my Agency for detection work. I have the experience of training Malinois, GSD, DDR/Czech, Dutch Shepherd. I am on my third service K9, all of them Mals. Two of them currently live with me at this time, one is 11 years old and retired over a year ago, the other one is 2 years old and is currently my working partner.


One thing to consider between the GSD/DDS-Czech and Malinois is their life span. Malinois tent to live longer with less health issues and hip problems. I seen GSD and DDS-Czech that have to be retired at six years due to hip problems.


You already have the space, and if you have the time talk to some reputable breeders let them know what are you looking for and they should be able to recommend one that is suitable for family and personal protection.
Hmmmmm, that is usually the case with American lines. Those issues are not normal with pure European lines. They breed specifically for good temperment, health and longevity. No health issues coming from Novotny's lines or DDR.

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These are some absolutely beautiful dogs you guys have.

I was leaning towards a GSD for our next dog, but have struggled with whether or not I'll even have the time to play with one of those enough each day. We don't live on a big lot, but have a lot of parks around us where people run dogs.

I guess I'll have to really sit down and think. Or move. Or get a Yorkie Poo. Whatever.
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Do not get discourage from getting a Malinois. Understand that most of the LE, Military K9's come from European working lines and go thru a selection process that required for them to have the requisite drives to perform a specific task. That is the reason for some of the comments of guys that are currently working or have experience with LE working Mals.

I am a trainer/instructor for my Agency for detection work. I have the experience of training Malinois, GSD, DDR/Czech, Dutch Shepherd. I am on my third service K9, all of them Mals. Two of them currently live with me at this time, one is 11 years old and retired over a year ago, the other one is 2 years old and is currently my working partner.


One thing to consider between the GSD/DDS-Czech and Malinois is their life span. Malinois tent to live longer with less health issues and hip problems. I seen GSD and DDS-Czech that have to be retired at six years due to hip problems.


You already have the space, and if you have the time talk to some reputable breeders let them know what are you looking for and they should be able to recommend one that is suitable for family and personal protection.
Agree on breeding/European lines, but when getting a puppy you never know what genetics you are getting in that particular dog. We have had two calls in the past month from people who purchased American bred Mals and want to get rid of them because they can't handle them and don't have the time to work them or train them.

I've been I k9 for over 10 years now.
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You wanna see some crazy folks go on working dog forumns and facebook groups. Man they take that stuff seriously. Lol.

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There is a K9 unit black GSD here in Houston that we had out to our brewery for a fundraiser to buy bulletproof vests for local LEs. It's somewhat of a celebrity dog at this point and is just an amazing, amazing dog to behold in person.

This is him:

http://www.hpdblog.com/2010/11/hpd-k-9.html

Was talking to his partner and he said when they release Gunnar on a would-be criminal, the surrender rate is 100% and almost instant. They're not scared of tear gas, they're not scared of getting shot, they're not scared of being tazed. Release a dog? Forget it.
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If you have never heard about or been around an Akbash, please look them up. We absolutely love this breed. They are a LGD (livestock guardian) but are phenomenal pets along with their instinctive "guardian" nature. They are big dogs who lay around waiting on you, or something they present as danger and then spring to action.
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There is a K9 unit black GSD here in Houston that we had out to our brewery for a fundraiser to buy bulletproof vests for local LEs. It's somewhat of a celebrity dog at this point and is just an amazing, amazing dog to behold in person.

This is him:

http://www.hpdblog.com/2010/11/hpd-k-9.html

Was talking to his partner and he said when they release Gunnar on a would-be criminal, the surrender rate is 100% and almost instant. They're not scared of tear gas, they're not scared of getting shot, they're not scared of being tazed. Release a dog? Forget it.
Yep, amazing how many people will fight or run from an armed COP or three, but my cute little 70lb Mal shows up and they're done!
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Hmmmmm, that is usually the case with American lines. Those issues are not normal with pure European lines. They breed specifically for good temperment, health and longevity. No health issues coming from Novotny's lines or DDR.

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All the canines my agency acquires are European imports with European working lines. It is necessary for the type of work that we do. Not even Novotny's line are exempt from health issues. I am telling you from first hand experience, my friend used to work with Novonty's when he lived in Czech Republic. He brought two canines in 2010 straight from their kennel. He breed the pair once and some of my friends acquired some of the puppies. One of those puppies was put down at six years due to hip problems.


Not even the Malinois are exempt from hip problems, I have seen some with hip problems at eight years old. My point is that if he want a Malinois, he can still get one with European bloodlines that is suitable for family protection. I gave my parents one that met all their requirements, no issues with him and he is six years old now.
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All the canines my agency acquires are European imports with European working lines. It is necessary for the type of work that we do. Not even Novotny's line are exempt from health issues. I am telling you from first hand experience, my friend used to work with Novonty's when he lived in Czech Republic. He brought two canines in 2010 straight from their kennel. He breed the pair once and some of my friends acquired some of the puppies. One of those puppies was put down at six years due to hip problems.


Not even the Malinois are exempt from hip problems, I have seen some with hip problems at eight years old. My point is that if he want a Malinois, he can still get one with European bloodlines that is suitable for family protection. I gave my parents one that met all their requirements, no issues with him and he is six years old now.
I think we might know some of the same people.

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That's awesome. I would love to hear some stories from your friend.

I was only making sure people didnt confuse health issues of European lines with their American counterparts.

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Agree on breeding/European lines, but when getting a puppy you never know what genetics you are getting in that particular dog. We have had two calls in the past month from people who purchased American bred Mals and want to get rid of them because they can't handle them and don't have the time to work them or train them.

I've been I k9 for over 10 years now.
You are 100% correct on not knowing what type of genetics you are getting when getting a puppy. My agency used to get them at 2 or 2 1/2 years old, now we get them at 12 thru 18 months.


My first K9 was a Malinois from Netherlands- He was 2 1/2 years old when I started training with him. Ten months after deployment he was diagnosed with a cancerous tumor in one of his hind legs. Died during surgery when the vet was trying to amputate his leg.


Second K9 a Mal from Netherlands- He was 2 years old when I started with him. Retired him when he was 10 years old. He is 11 and a half year old and still living with me. No health issues so far but age is catching up to me at this point.


Third K9 a Mal from Czech Republic- He was a year and three months when I got him last summer. He is a monster at 83 lbs of pure muscle with too much drive when he is at work. Once he gets home, he is a totally different dog.
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Love my mal! I'd upload a pic but keeps saying error. I've also owned 2 GSD from Europe. My mal was imported from the Czech Republic and is great. Very high drive with lots of energy!
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Old 07-27-2018, 11:02 PM   #85
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Old 07-27-2018, 11:04 PM   #86
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Was talking to his partner and he said when they release Gunnar on a would-be criminal, the surrender rate is 100% and almost instant. They're not scared of tear gas, they're not scared of getting shot, they're not scared of being tazed. Release a dog? Forget it.
Very true statement! I can recall several incidents in which the perps could care less about getting OC'ed, Tased or even shot. However, when the fur warrior showed up the perps couldn't get down on the ground fast enough. Wimps lol.
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Old 07-27-2018, 11:09 PM   #87
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My GSDs, both breeds are great
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Old 07-27-2018, 11:27 PM   #88
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Malinois are fantastic dogs if you have the time, space, and desire to train them. They can be very strong willed but are also eager to please and have energy for days. Living on a few hundred acres is a great start. It isn't just about getting enough exercise though as they really need to be given a job to keep their brain occupied. If you can find a training group near you they can be a great resource for both training issues and finding a dog. I loved having my Mals growing up. We did a lot of search and rescue training and scent work with them. I will have them again once I have the proper living situation for them. I will stick to my stubborn old Chesapeakes for now though.
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Old 07-27-2018, 11:35 PM   #89
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This is Glock, they’re definitely not for your average person. These dogs have got to have a job. Luckily we live on a ranch so he stays busy. He can get some cattle out of the brush pretty quick lol.

A friend of ours is a K9 officer for the Cleveland County Sheriff Department in OK and keeps him in training every so often so that has been a big help. They're extremely smart dogs, too smart actually, but if a person decides to get one they better have plenty of time to work with them or it isn’t going to end up good.




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Old 07-27-2018, 11:51 PM   #90
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Beautiful K9 CP121.
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Old 07-27-2018, 11:53 PM   #91
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Beautiful K9 CP121.
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Old 07-28-2018, 05:51 PM   #92
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Very nice bicolor.
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Wife and I just got a GSD from https://www.schwarzerhund.com/
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Old 07-28-2018, 07:10 PM   #93
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there is no temperamental difference between European bred Mals and any of the East German, Dutch, or Czech lines of GSDs.

And ALL Mals aren't hyped up crazies. I had a working K-9 for seven years that was very calm, stayed in the house and slept on the bed. Never tore up anything.

I had one that was nuts, big , big male Mal that was a product of his raising/training(or lack of). Got rid of him.

I have a female Mal currently, very friendly and calm. No crazier than your average three year old Lab, probably less. Very smart, loyal dog. People and dog friendly, never causes any trouble. And I do NOT spend a lot of time working her.

I have had a couple of GSDs, good dogs. I'd take a Mal any, and every day over a GSD if I needed a working or protection dog. They are smarter and grittier.

howdy BOB...
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Sure miss my old partner.


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Old 07-28-2018, 08:23 PM   #95
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I meant to message you and ask what you thought of the breeder. Seems to be a good one and the opportunity fell in our lap. She is out of state and should be here next weekend.
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Old 07-29-2018, 08:20 AM   #96
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Not close.

The GSD is the most versatile breed in the world.

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Old 07-29-2018, 08:59 AM   #97
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you just made that up didn't you BOB..
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Old 07-29-2018, 09:01 AM   #98
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that may be the most inaccurate, idiotic list about ANYTHING I have ever seen. Really.
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Old 07-29-2018, 09:44 AM   #99
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You mad?

They do actual tests. It's not guess work.

But I do agree. Combine those tests with the working ability of the European line GSD and they are easily top dog. The Border Collie and Poodle pale in comparison.Throw in the intimidating looks, beauty and toughness and you have...the ultimate breed.



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Old 07-29-2018, 10:32 AM   #100
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We've had a female for 10 years. No complaints except she sheds like nobodies business! She's laid back in her old age, and does just fine with other dogs. She's actually a Therapy dog, Licensed and trained but we don't use her for that much more at all.
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