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Old 07-11-2018, 05:59 PM   #1
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Saw on the news a local school district in the East Tx area soliciting feedback from parents on possible arming of teachers. Not overly surprised we are getting to this level of discussion & consideration. I’m sure there will be pros & cons on the subject with different perspectives.
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West Hardin school already does. They had a sign posted last year saying teachers are armed.
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Yep, times are a changing! Gotta deaux whatever it takes to make a dent in this non sense.

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Lots of schools in Texas are already arming teachers and several have already been doing it for several years

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Already done here as well. I think it’s wonderful!
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Will the librarians get silencers?
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My mom carries at her school already.
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Huffman just announced they were going to as well. Sent a letter out at the end of the school year.

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So for those schools that do I wonder how it’s done? Non disclosed on who carries? Same individuals or alternates? Do students know who is carrying? Training requirements?
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Our school has been for two years.
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Its a better idea than saying you have a school police department which doesn’t have officers at each school. Then you say how trained they are and that you have measures in for an adequate response time.

What is an acceptable or adequate response time when you don’t have an officer on campus?
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So for those schools that do I wonder how it’s done? Non disclosed on who carries? Same individuals or alternates? Do students know who is carrying? Training requirements?
The school marshall program is the way to go. It's a program where school teachers and administrators receive ongoing training, as opposed to just allowing a CHL holder to carry on campus.
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Old 07-11-2018, 08:17 PM   #13
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Carthage has certified teachers and coaches that are armed. It's not made public who has them
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Huffman just announced they were going to as well. Sent a letter out at the end of the school year.

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So for those schools that do I wonder how it’s done? Non disclosed on who carries? Same individuals or alternates? Do students know who is carrying? Training requirements?


The school I work at: the same individuals carry and only admin and school board are supposed to know who they are. Yes there is additional training to a LTC class. Most LTC administrators offer the class as well.


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So for those schools that do I wonder how it’s done? Non disclosed on who carries? Same individuals or alternates? Do students know who is carrying? Training requirements?
Union Grove ( local school) has been arming certain teachers for years .
They meet once a quarter and run drills in the school.
My son has gone a couple of times to be a “bad guy”
He says that if they ever have a shooter, he will not last long as these guys are well trained and prepared to stop anything in a hurry
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Old 07-11-2018, 11:29 PM   #18
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Its about time...excellent news.
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I approve of this and God Bless Texas! If nothing else, it might be a deterrent for some "would-be's".
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The school marshall program is the way to go. It's a program where school teachers and administrators receive ongoing training, as opposed to just allowing a CHL holder to carry on campus.
I'm not opposed to CHL being able to carry.. but i do like what you are proposing more...very much.
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Old 07-12-2018, 06:45 AM   #21
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Weatherford just approved it. The other good schools in the area already let their teachers protect the children.
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One of the better ideas schools are doing. An armed population is safer against terrorist attacks. Cowards always look for an easy target and all of these have been cowards
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Yep, times are a changing! Gotta deaux whatever it takes to make a dent in this non sense.

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Except trying to fix the root problems

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The school marshall program is the way to go. It's a program where school teachers and administrators receive ongoing training, as opposed to just allowing a CHL holder to carry on campus.
This idea is a better option.
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Old 07-12-2018, 11:21 AM   #24
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Van ISD has been packing since upshur county schools did it first 4 years ago
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I’m a teacher and would gladly complete any requirements my district asked me to if I could carry. Doesn’t look like it’ll happen, though.
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Except trying to fix the root problems
What specifically are the 'root problems' ?
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What specifically are the 'root problems' ?
You seem to know it all. Just so I don't get it wrong you tell me why people kill people.
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You seem to know it all. Just so I don't get it wrong you tell me why people kill people.
You made a statement that the 'root problem' is not being addressed.
I asked what you think the root problem is since you say its not being addressed.

pretty simple question.
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You made a statement that the 'root problem' is not being addressed.
I asked what you think the root problem is since you say its not being addressed.

pretty simple question.
To sum up, society rearing, creating, raising mentally unstable people.
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To sum up, society rearing, creating, raising mentally unstable people.
good list.. where would you start and how to do enforce changes?
Where does the medical community fall in this?
Do they have a responsibility with the over diagnosing of issues and overuse of psycho/mood altering drugs?
How do you curb that?
How about parenting and single parent households.. is that a contributor? How do you address that?

Do you see any of these even remotely possible for realistic discussion, let alone change, given the state of progression this country and the world has taken in past 3 decades?

yeh me either... meanwhile lets put effective measures in place to help protect kids from what is being produced by society.
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Old 07-12-2018, 12:46 PM   #31
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Sure we need to address the causes but I've never understood the logic that preventing responsible gun owners closest to the situation from defending themselves and their kids somehow isn't anything other than the BEST option.
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good list.. where would you start and how to do enforce changes?
Where does the medical community fall in this?
Do they have a responsibility with the over diagnosing of issues and overuse of psycho/mood altering drugs?
How do you curb that?
How about parenting and single parent households.. is that a contributor? How do you address that?

Do you see any of these even remotely possible for realistic discussion, let alone change, given the state of progression this country and the world has taken in past 3 decades?

yeh me either... meanwhile lets put effective measures in place to help protect kids from what is being produced by society.
Of course you're right. But it's also safe to say that if schools pass bonds or raise taxes to "protect our children" they will make horrible decisions and squander the money.

If you take the money it will take to stop school shootings and apply it elsewhere you will save a lot more lives. I'm not listing them...Just google how kids die.
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good list.. where would you start and how to do enforce changes?

Where does the medical community fall in this?

Do they have a responsibility with the over diagnosing of issues and overuse of psycho/mood altering drugs?

How do you curb that?

How about parenting and single parent households.. is that a contributor? How do you address that?



Do you see any of these even remotely possible for realistic discussion, let alone change, given the state of progression this country and the world has taken in past 3 decades?



yeh me either... meanwhile lets put effective measures in place to help protect kids from what is being produced by society.


If you are going at him with phrases like "realistic discussion", I'm afraid you are destined to end up disappointed.


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That sounds logical.
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Saw on the news a local school district in the East Tx area soliciting feedback from parents on possible arming of teachers. Not overly surprised we are getting to this level of discussion & consideration. I’m sure there will be pros & cons on the subject with different perspectives.
Which school in East Texas is it?
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good list.. where would you start and how to do enforce changes?
Where does the medical community fall in this?
Do they have a responsibility with the over diagnosing of issues and overuse of psycho/mood altering drugs?
How do you curb that?
How about parenting and single parent households.. is that a contributor? How do you address that?

Do you see any of these even remotely possible for realistic discussion, let alone change, given the state of progression this country and the world has taken in past 3 decades?

yeh me either... meanwhile lets put effective measures in place to help protect kids from what is being produced by society.
Valid points. However, that’s a lengthy process to make this level of change. Not saying to not go there but doesn’t hurt in the short term mitigate some risks with increased security/protection. These are children’s lives we are talking about. In general, I’m in support of arming teachers just curious the best method to roll it out
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Which school in East Texas is it?
Mineola ISD was in recent talks about it
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The law, effective June 14, 2013, allows school districts to arm school employees and created an additional category of a certified peace officer known as a "school marshal" who can conceal carry a handgun. Districts can appoint one marshal per 200 students at a campus or one marshal per building in which students received regular instruction.
TRAINING REQUIRED
Before becoming a marshal the employee must undergo a psychological exam. The law also requires 80 hours of specialized training. The instruction includes how to prevent school shootings and keep potential victims safe, the use of deadly force, handgun training and other peace officer duties.
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Under the law, if the primary duty of the school marshal involves "regular, direct contact with students" the marshal cannot carry the handgun but may have it "in a locked and secured safe" within the marshal's immediate reach.
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A school marshal may only access a handgun under circumstances that would justify the use of deadly force under the penal code.
OTHER OPTIONS
Some districts have opted to use what's been dubbed the "Guardian Plan," which allows school boards to consider authorizing greater access to firearms on campuses.
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Question is, what happens if your school district chooses to go against the voters of our state. This law has been around for some time. The majority of voters support it, but a district can choose to not use it with no consequences. At present a district can make any choice they want and not take on one ounce responsibility for that choice. A choice that goes against the states majority should come with a certain amount of liability. This liability will force districts to put additional measures in place to limit their exposure to this liability; in turn creating the safer environment that was the original intent of the law.
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I work construction and most of the summer we spend working on ISD’s. Today I had a school official in a pre construction meeting tell me that we could leave our chl weapons in our vehicles while on school property. That a big change from previous answers.
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Been on our campus for two years now. Only staff that want to and go to several training classes are allowed to carry a weapon.


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I’m a teacher and would gladly complete any requirements my district asked me to if I could carry. Doesn’t look like it’ll happen, though.
I would say the odds in your district are about as good as Nancy Pelosi joining Trump’s cabinet.
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........Question is, what happens if your school district chooses to go against the voters of our state. This law has been around for some time. The majority of voters support it, but a district can choose to not use it with no consequences. At present a district can make any choice they want and not take on one ounce responsibility for that choice. A choice that goes against the states majority should come with a certain amount of liability. This liability will force districts to put additional measures in place to limit their exposure to this liability; in turn creating the safer environment that was the original intent of the law.
The voters of the state didn't have any part in the process unless you are talking about electing their senator and representative.

The law mandates nothing. It “allows” school marshals.

The state law also “allows” school districts to have their own police department yet probably 95% do not.

If the voters want something, they can absolutely have it. Those voters are the ones in the local school districts who elect their school board.
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Saw on the news a local school district in the East Tx area soliciting feedback from parents on possible arming of teachers. Not overly surprised we are getting to this level of discussion & consideration. I’m sure there will be pros & cons on the subject with different perspectives.
We should’ve used part of that $90 million dollar school bond on a bulk buy of glocks
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The voters of the state didn't have any part in the process unless you are talking about electing their senator and representative.

The law mandates nothing. It “allows” school marshals.

The state law also “allows” school districts to have their own police department yet probably 95% do not.

If the voters want something, they can absolutely have it. Those voters are the ones in the local school districts who elect their school board.
Yes that's the part I'm referring to. I realize it doesn't mandate arming teachers. Does that mean it shouldn't come with a added responsibility? If you are given a tool you refuse to use are you not exspected to to still get the job done?

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Yes that's the part I'm referring to. I realize it doesn't mandate arming teachers. (1.) Does that mean it shouldn't come with a added responsibility? (2.) If you are given a tool you refuse to use are you not exspected to to still get the job done?

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(1.) Yes.

(2.) No.
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Lol. I agree
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I have a good friend that teaches at the school where my kids go & he is not 100% sold on arming teachers. He said some of those kids are bigger & stronger that could take a gun away from a teacher potentially. I see his point & concern. There are many cases where it has been a current student that was the shooter. Knowing you potentially have a student lurking & plotting could be of concern knowing guns are present somewhere. Worse case scenario that kid is able to isolate a teacher that is carrying now you have a self defense situation. I’m curious if there is situational training to address this?
My wife is a teacher (1st grade) & so far no talks of arming teachers where my kids go but she and I have had many conversations on this subject of whats best options. Sounds like many schools have taken action. That’s good to hear
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