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Old 05-15-2018, 08:00 PM   #1
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bukkskins thread got this one rolling. I am not giving my input just yet. Curious to see what yall have to say in reference to a search of your vehicle.

Some of you seem to know a bit more then others. One hint. Operating a motor vehicle in Texas or this Country is a privilege not a right. Hope that helps.
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Old 05-15-2018, 08:08 PM   #2
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I plead the 5th...for a little while, at least.
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Old 05-15-2018, 08:10 PM   #3
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I have to search my my vehicle all the time. For my wallet, cell phone all kinds of stuff. Sometimes the stuff falls between the seats.

Awesome thread.
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If I have the spare time I’ll screw with them if not then sure go ahead. Never gonna find something illegal anyway and highly doubt there’s gonna be a good reason to search mine
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Not a problem here, especially with the world we live in now. I have nothing to hide.
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Old 05-15-2018, 08:18 PM   #6
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bukkskins thread got this one rolling. I am not giving my input just yet. Curious to see what yall have to say in reference to a search of your vehicle.

Some of you seem to know a bit more then others. One hint. Operating a motor vehicle in Texas or this Country is a privilege not a right. Hope that helps.
What's your question, I'm not following? What about searching a vehicle, sometimes its lawful, other times its not. Just FYI, having a DL and operating a vehicle on the basis of being a privilege and not a right has nothing to do with vehicle searches and the 4th Amendment.

If you are asking if we would allow a random search of our vehicle's without probable cause, my answer would be "no". I'm a PO and I would not submit to the search of my vehicle on the side of the road during a typical traffic stop. I have asked for consent to search thousands of vehicles during my career, if someone says no and I have nothing else, I don't take it personally. Its your right as a US citizen.

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Old 05-15-2018, 08:18 PM   #7
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Get after it. May find something I had lost
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Old 05-15-2018, 08:21 PM   #8
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I let em search mine all the time, no way they find my hidey hole of smack and I keep wrapped up in scentlock clothes and spray it with dead down wind, even the dogs canít smell it!!!

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Old 05-15-2018, 08:24 PM   #9
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Get after it. May find something I had lost
Wow^^^^

Won’t find anything in mine except a bunch of tools and work clothes. Usually a mess inside from taking care of cattle and constantly repairing farm and ranch equipment.
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Old 05-15-2018, 08:31 PM   #10
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I value my fourth amendment as much as my first,second and all the others. I will not allow a search of my car or my home without a warrant. I don't do anything to give anyone probable cause.
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Old 05-15-2018, 08:39 PM   #11
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Pfffff let them search my vehicle any day theyíll never find anything there. Now if they ask to search my anus thatís a different story.









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Old 05-15-2018, 08:41 PM   #12
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I always understood the law to mean that one doesn’t have the rights on a public road they do in a residence. No warrant needed. It’s public livery and you chose to use.
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Old 05-15-2018, 08:44 PM   #13
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My vehicle would only be searched if the officer explained his reason (Probable Cause) and a explanation of what he is looking for.
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Old 05-15-2018, 08:54 PM   #14
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"f-off & go away"

the end...thanks for playing.
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Old 05-15-2018, 08:57 PM   #15
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I always understood the law to mean that one doesnít have the rights on a public road they do in a residence. No warrant needed. Itís public livery and you chose to use.
just because im in public doesnt mean i give up my rights to privacy, cops cant search you in public for no reason
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Old 05-15-2018, 08:57 PM   #16
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I always understood the law to mean that one doesnít have the rights on a public road they do in a residence. No warrant needed. Itís public livery and you chose to use.

Almost there..........but not quite. Your on to something I will say that.
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Old 05-15-2018, 09:01 PM   #17
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Almost there..........but not quite. Your on to something I will say that.
Come out with it then. I thought you were a retired LEO. I don’t see where he’s nearly on to anything.

Edit: unless you’re talking about the vehicle exception. Then, kind of sort of.
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Old 05-15-2018, 09:05 PM   #18
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[QUOTE=boh347;13375715]Pfffff let them search my vehicle any day theyíll never find anything there. Now if they ask to search my anus thatís a different story.

2 of Arizona's finest did that to a suspect, 3 times in the same night, never found anything, or a trace of anything . They had "probable cause".
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"f-off & go away"

the end...thanks for playing.
What is this about?
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Old 05-15-2018, 09:09 PM   #20
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just because im in public doesnt mean i give up my rights to privacy, cops cant search you in public for no reason
Tell that to the TSA when you choose to fly. Tell it to the security guard when you choose to enter a concert venue or stadium.
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What is this about?
Know your rights man...you heard it here first. This phrase forces the poo-poo to flee in fear!!


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Know your rights man...you heard it here first. This phrase forces the poo-poo to flee in fear!!


http://discussions.texasbowhunter.co...d.php?t=692532
Rumor has it Long John Silvers usually has the same effect!
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Old 05-15-2018, 09:27 PM   #23
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They ever search mine in a big city, I will thought of as a drug dealer. Cattle syringes, 16 gauge needles, ouch, All kinds of antiobotics for cattle, 22-250 in the back seat for coyotes. Sometimes I carry a cattle dart gun to give cattle antioboticcs. May need help in the Midlothion area some day. LOL!!
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Old 05-15-2018, 09:29 PM   #24
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Pfffff let them search my vehicle any day theyíll never find anything there. Now if they ask to search my anus thatís a different story.
Prison, huh?
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Old 05-15-2018, 09:30 PM   #25
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Good luck. I've got so many tools, hardware, plumbing and electrical parts in there they would have a blast laughing at what they found.

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Old 05-15-2018, 09:32 PM   #26
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not giving up my 4th amendment
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Old 05-15-2018, 09:37 PM   #27
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Ok I will play. What about an open air search with a K-9?
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Old 05-15-2018, 09:42 PM   #28
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No sir, not happening without a warrant or a mess.

I refused one when I was probably 20. Got pulled over for no good reason (in my opinion, since I’ve never had a ticket). Guy was a *****, asking me where I was going (hunting), and other questions. Told me he wanted to search my vehicle because I was “acting suspiciously”. I declined.

He said he was gonna call a dog in if I didn’t consent, so I told him to get on the horn. Took them too long to get there so he “had to let me go”. Left a bad taste in my mouth that remains to this day!
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Old 05-15-2018, 09:44 PM   #29
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No sir, not happening without a warrant or a mess.

I refused one when I was probably 20. Got pulled over for no good reason (in my opinion, since Iíve never had a ticket). Guy was a *****, asking me where I was going (hunting), and other questions. Told me he wanted to search my vehicle because I was ďacting suspiciouslyĒ. I declined.

He said he was gonna call a dog in if I didnít consent, so I told him to get on the horn. Took them too long to get there so he ďhad to let me goĒ. Left a bad taste in my mouth that remains to this day!
Yeah that does suck
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Old 05-15-2018, 09:46 PM   #30
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I always understood the law to mean that one doesnít have the rights on a public road they do in a residence. No warrant needed. Itís public livery and you chose to use.
Not so - gotta have a warrant or permission (consent) to search the vehicle without probable cause
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Ok I will play. What about an open air search with a K-9?
I still feel like thatís a violation of rights without probable cause. Seems like thatís just fishing for someone to mess with whoís otherwise minding their own business.
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I let em search mine all the time, no way they find my hidey hole of smack and I keep wrapped up in scentlock clothes and spray it with dead down wind, even the dogs canít smell it!!!

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I value my fourth amendment as much as my first,second and all the others. I will not allow a search of my car or my home without a warrant. I don't do anything to give anyone probable cause.
I have a dog, don't need a warrant if he alerts.

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I always understood the law to mean that one doesnít have the rights on a public road they do in a residence. No warrant needed. Itís public livery and you chose to use.
There is a difference in home and vehicle. Vehicle needs probable cause, but not necessarily a warrant. Home needs a warrant.

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Ok I will play. What about an open air search with a K-9?
That's my bailiwick! Dog alert IS probable cause, no warrant needed.
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Old 05-15-2018, 09:57 PM   #33
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I still feel like thatís a violation of rights without probable cause. Seems like thatís just fishing for someone to mess with whoís otherwise minding their own business.
Courts, all the way up to the Supreme Court, have upheld a K9 alert IS probable cause.

Just a little info, K9's training and documentation is very important and can be subpoenaed into court. Every time I deploy my dog it is documented. In training my dog has an accuracy rate of 98.8% last time I checked. In the field accuracy rate is about 86%. He only alerts to the odors of marijuana, heroin, cocaine, and methamphetamine, all things that it is illegal for anyone in Texas to possess. That's why his alert is PC to search the vehicle, and no, I don't need a warrant.

Think I had 5 sniffs last night with 3 alerts. Found dope in all 3 vehicles.
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Courts, all the way up to the Supreme Court, have upheld a K9 alert IS probable cause.

Just a little info, K9's training and documentation is very important and can be subpoenaed into court. Every time I deploy my dog it is documented. In training my dog has an accuracy rate of 98.8% last time I checked. In the field accuracy rate is about 86%. He only alerts to the odors of marijuana, heroin, cocaine, and methamphetamine, all things that it is illegal for anyone in Texas to possess. That's why his alert is PC to search the vehicle, and no, I don't need a warrant.

Think I had 5 sniffs last night with 3 alerts. Found dope in all 3 vehicles.
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Good for you, man. That pot is really running us down....

Iím just not really a big government type. I donít really care if someone does ďdopeĒ. If theyíre not driving impaired, itís not my business. But hey, my wife works, so what do I know?
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Nope, No, Nope....I was an officer for 30 years, of people said no, okay then.

I worked as a UC narc for years, and one assignment was to get stopped at a particular spot by a particular officer and have my vehicle searched. Needless to say, the officer isnt working anymore afyer the "search." Not going to into anymore though.....

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Old 05-15-2018, 10:10 PM   #37
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I've told my fiasco fubar search here on tbh about 3 years ago...i'll need some time to psyche myself up. It was a fiasco le will appreciate but not in the mood to deal with it now.

Would be interesting to compare opinions then & now...give me some time.
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Good for you, man. That pot is really running us down....

Iím just not really a big government type. I donít really care if someone does ďdopeĒ. If theyíre not driving impaired, itís not my business. But hey, my wife works, so what do I know?
Law ENFORCEMENT officials don't make laws. They enforce them. Opinions, everyone has them....
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Tell that to the TSA when you choose to fly. Tell it to the security guard when you choose to enter a concert venue or stadium.
the TSA have a reason to search you as you are boarding a plane and it is a legal law they cann even though it isnt very effective, security guard at a concert is private not government employed and it is private property so its not the same issue
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Sure. Search away. Letís get on with our day.


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Courts, all the way up to the Supreme Court, have upheld a K9 alert IS probable cause.

Just a little info, K9's training and documentation is very important and can be subpoenaed into court. Every time I deploy my dog it is documented. In training my dog has an accuracy rate of 98.8% last time I checked. In the field accuracy rate is about 86%. He only alerts to the odors of marijuana, heroin, cocaine, and methamphetamine, all things that it is illegal for anyone in Texas to possess. That's why his alert is PC to search the vehicle, and no, I don't need a warrant.

Think I had 5 sniffs last night with 3 alerts. Found dope in all 3 vehicles.
So what if you are part of the 14% that the dog alerts on and there are no drugs in the car? If you tear the car up searching and don't find anything is the city/state responsible for the damage or is it time for the driver to lawyer up?
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Old 05-15-2018, 11:58 PM   #42
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Nope, No, Nope....I was an officer for 30 years, of people said no, okay then.

I worked as a UC narc for years, and one assignment was to get stopped at a particular spot by a particular officer and have my vehicle searched. Needless to say, the officer isnt working anymore afyer the "search." Not going to into anymore though.....

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So what if you are part of the 14% that the dog alerts on and there are no drugs in the car? If you tear the car up searching and don't find anything is the city/state responsible for the damage or is it time for the driver to lawyer up?
I've always been curious about this myself
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If I have the spare time Iíll screw with them if not then sure go ahead. Never gonna find something illegal anyway and highly doubt thereís gonna be a good reason to search mine
so you prefer to itentionally waste their time because you think it is funny?
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I've only had one cop ask to search my vehicle. So I let him. He wasn't and wouldn't even now find anything illegal in my vehicle and I didn't have anywhere in particular to go so I said go for it. I figured maybe he'd spread the word about me that I'm good to go. Plus I couldn't really blame him. I look like someone that would have drugs or a dead body in the trunk of a car.
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Old 05-16-2018, 12:22 AM   #46
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They won't find anything illegal but it will take them hours to go thru all the stuff I have under and behind my backseat. The guys at the lease laugh at me until they need something. They joke about me having the kitchen sink.
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Old 05-16-2018, 12:26 AM   #47
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so you prefer to itentionally waste their time because you think it is funny?
Yep pretty much because they will have no good reason to want to search my vehicle
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So what if you are part of the 14% that the dog alerts on and there are no drugs in the car? If you tear the car up searching and don't find anything is the city/state responsible for the damage or is it time for the driver to lawyer up?
I'll try to explain. Courts say only accuracy is training. Training accuracy is in contained environments. Street accuracy is different. I stop someone, dog alerts, driver says never been dope in the car. Dog says odor in the car. Who do I believe? Dog. People lie to us all the time. Most of the time when dog alerts and nothing found driver/occupants admit there was dope in the car recently, some folks refuse to admit. Does that mean the dog is wrong? No, training in controlled environments is the ONLY way to prove the dogs accuracy, and that's what the courts go by.

I don't " tear the car up searching". I do a thorough search, but everything is replaced to it's location in most cases.
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Okay, so I have to tell about one vehicle search many years ago. We got a call to local gas station that car was parked at pumps and the man and woman had been in the restroom for an hour. We arrived, found them passed out in the restroom a d arrested them. We impounded the car and druing a "short search," I decided the heck with it as the people were living out of the car. My partner was staying with the vehicle and had the male prisoner and I started toqards the jail with the woman. Half way there, she started crying and talking about her husband. I told her he would be booked when he arrived with the other officer. She cried more and said that the man in custody was her boyfriend and that her husband was dead and he was under the pile of crap in the backseat.

I immediately turned around and drove quickly back to the car. I then started a ml ore thorough search and didn't find a body. I spoke with her again and after a few minutes of rambling about how she had killed her husband and his body was in the car, it was learned that he had died of natural causes, but she had cheated on him and that is "how she killed him." And then we discovered an urn in the backseat, which contained his ashes.

So, that vehicle search was worthless. Oh and did I mention when we got the call. We only had 30-minutes left in the shift.

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Old 05-16-2018, 03:15 AM   #50
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I got pulled over in Ne coming out of Co , Leo said I was driving eradic . I ask him if my eradic driving was on his dash cam, of course he said. Then he wants to search my truck I told him if he gets a warrant he can search whatever the warrant allows , he got really mad then called for a drug dog. 30 min later the dog arrives , I tell the officer that im going to film so they don't command the dog to do a false positive. Now they are both ******. The dog did not hit on anything. I now ask how long it will take for him to get a warrant while I'm laughing at him, he is really really mad now. After a few more choice words are exchanged he tells me to hurry up and get out of Ne.
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