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    #16
    I went to buy a part at ABC for my GMC and they wanted a LOT more than a competitor - so I says wow why so much more? They said they use parts made in Mexico!?!?! I told them EVERY part on my truck says hecho in Mexico! LOL!!!

    BTW when he opened the box up to show me it said ...wait for it...hecho in Mexico!!!
    AAAAAGGGGHHH!!!!
    Last edited by chopsknives; 06-27-2018, 05:35 PM.

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      #17
      Sorry if this went into left field but these are all examples of how muddy water in the American bus. sector have effected my life, and I've got a couple of hundred others bouncing around in my bean. Wouldn't we all benefit in the long run by being a little more transparent. And wouldn't companies strive to use better products/methods of manufacture? And wouldn't the consumer have more confidence in what they purchase?

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        #18
        Chop.. are you drinking more lately? You have gotten angrier and angrier in all your recent posts, and according to the Oklahoma thread.. drunks are angry and pot heads are hungry and giggly.
        Perhaps weed could help?

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          #19
          Originally posted by systemnt View Post
          Chop.. are you drinking more lately? You have gotten angrier and angrier in all your recent posts, and according to the Oklahoma thread.. drunks are angry and pot heads are hungry and giggly.
          Perhaps weed could help?
          I was wondering if something significant may have happened in his life. I enjoy reading his opinions and having discussions. But has anyone else noticed that Chop's "political" posts have increased by 1,200% in the last few weeks/months? Not bashing, just an observance.

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            #20
            I'm shocked and dismayed at the goings on in this great country. I held my mouth for over 9 yrs. out of respect for my fellow countrymen - I'm no longer asleep and many years of pent up frustrations means I have a LOT to say. More people need to wake up and take the Red pill - the blue pill is no longer effective. Here's one of the reasons

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            I'm teaching my Son's the art of the knife and eventhough they BOTH received the Duke award they have no desire to attend college as it has become a haven for socialism. I'm afraid there won't be a country for them if more don't wake up. Just yesterday we found out that a 28 yr. old socialist defeated the future speaker for the Dem party. 8 months ago she was a bartender! But ol' George seeks to destroy this country and in a pay for play system his money can do just that and it did here. BTW that socialist is a member of the George funded group that attacked HHS Secretary Nielsen at a Mexican restaurant. Hrabar is also a member and she works for the DOJ!! Have you noticed that most of the people surrounding that socialist are Muzzy?!?! BTW George is also funding another Muzzy who he wants to be the first openly Muzzy President of the United States of America (I mean second!!) Last night and today I did a lot of posting and didn't have a drop to drink!
            - LWC I appreciate what you said as I enjoy open and honest debate - unfortunately there are players here that simply want to stir the pot!
            - Speaking of pot systemnt if you wanna send me some I'll give it a whirl!! I'm a christian and I believe the Bible when it says: "I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it". But that statement brings out the holier than thou who only enforce the parts of the Bible that they approve of. A God fearing country that knows better than God.
            I firmly believe that if Repubs. would actually change a law that oppresses 68% of the country who openly support it (which means many more privately support but are afraid of saying so) that Republicans would also bring supporters who are only Dems because their kids got busted for enjoying something that God made. After all when the majority of the country wants something legalized our constitution says it has to be - yet even though the medicinal values have been realized it is STILL a class 1 drug?!?! Right up there with Meth, Coke, Heroin and other MANMADE products. By keeping it illegal it's now being found laced with Fentanyl and other nasty drugs. As well as bringing Cartels, Gangs and massive crime!! Big Pharma owns this country and ALL of our mass shootings are people on their psycho drugs. Opioid crisis or anti pot crisis as it's been shown that one IS the solution for the other.

            Guess y'all are right I do have some **** on my mind! LOL!!

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              #21
              Originally posted by chopsknives View Post
              Sorry if this went into left field but these are all examples of how muddy water in the American bus. sector have effected my life, and I've got a couple of hundred others bouncing around in my bean. Wouldn't we all benefit in the long run by being a little more transparent. And wouldn't companies strive to use better products/methods of manufacture? And wouldn't the consumer have more confidence in what they purchase?
              With big mfg companies it's all on the bean counters. People that cook the books if you will. Save a buck on a part here and there and over thousands of units it adds up and they look good and get big bonuses. Now when the parts fail they blame it on the third party and collect another bonus. It ain't just Harley that does it. They all do it.
              Now Harley uses Delphi ECMs in all their FI bikes. Same unit that is in the dash of your GM car or truck. Only difference is the firmware loaded into the ECM. They been using Delphi ever since they went to electronic ignitions. Now here's another one. Harley Twin Cam lifter goes bad, don't go to Harley and pay $100 for one. go to an auto store and by a Chevy Hi po lifter for a 5.7 engine. Same unit and about $25. Also made by Delphi. So the big question is where is Delphi made? Harley OEM cams are ground by the same company that grinds GM cams and several other Car mfgrs. The company is non other than CompCams. The list goes on and on and on.

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                #22
                Yeah I had an American made (supposedly) drill press go down. The capacitor was bad and when I dug through my junk pile I found a capacitor on a chinese junk drill I had. Same Capacitor made by the same Chinese mfg. - Difference on these drills? One cost me hundreds of dollars more! So why don't we have percentages available on products? You know to claim American made it must be over 50% American so they already know these percentages and are just hiding them!

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                  #23
                  Don't want to stir the pot here...BUT
                  Unions have been pushing domestic manufacturing truths for YEARS! Primarily the UAW. They had a lot to gain from everything being made in the USA.
                  Guess that was a bad thing if the unions wanted it huh?
                  Nafta( Clinton) was a bad deal and really muddied the waters as to where things come from. Labeling as to where anything comes from and what percentage should not be hard to do unless there is deception involved.
                  Cars and trucks used to be this way.
                  If your Vin# starts with a 1...made in USA, 2, Canada, 3 Mexico, 4&5 partially USA. After that it is usually letters from the country of origin.

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                    #24
                    Well my GMC truck that cost me $36,000 in 2001 has hecho in Mexico on EVERYTHING! And when my vin# specific recalls got to me the dealerships claimed that my vin# specific warranty was made in Indiana which was closed at the time of manufacture so I call BS

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                      #25
                      This might help ya a bit.

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                        #26
                        No vehicle is 100% American.

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                          #27
                          Now they did say that my dash cluster was covered since I brought it in immedeiately when I got the notice. But dang I had 1,000 too many miles so tough titty said the kitty!!! I to this day have to reset my trip meter EVERYTIME I fill up as my gauges do the twitch constantly! LOL! I took my gauge cluster apart and put duct tape on all the warning lights so I don't have to look at the POS they sold me w/o any backing

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                            #28
                            My crankshaft sensor was bad and they charged me $850 to replace- they wanted $3,000 but I did some massive homework and found out they had probs with the Mexican made sensors which were shortly recalled. My ins company is the one that told me my vin# specific was in the recall but dealerships NEVER give money back so they lied and said it wasn't covered. You can talk union BS all you want I got F'd and that IS the bottom line. Union people often lie to cover for union people so what should I believe? That I'm an isolated case? I did my homework and they screwed me and many more over so many people it's just not funny anymore - my 2 cents (that's all I got left with)

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                              #29
                              BTW my truck would shut itself off in traffic repeatedly and 7 trips to the dealership and nothing just keep on driving and keep on getting stuck in traffic and keep on causing traffic jams but God love the union SMDH

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                                #30
                                Originally posted by chopsknives View Post
                                BTW my truck would shut itself off in traffic repeatedly and 7 trips to the dealership and nothing just keep on driving and keep on getting stuck in traffic and keep on causing traffic jams but God love the union SMDH
                                Come on Chops...You really think the guys that put your truck together had a say in the design and manufacture of your vehicle? Blame them for a lot, but you can't blame them for that.

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