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Old 10-11-2017, 10:47 PM   #101
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Will happen with or without the outing.

Folks I gotta get some sleep. Been a pleasure debating with you. God bless and good night.
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Folks I gotta get some sleep. Been a pleasure debating with you. God bless and good night.
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Old 10-11-2017, 10:51 PM   #103
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Don't anyone be outraged one morning when little Johnny is running around telling everyone to smell his finger after one of these coed scout outings.


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come on now, I think everyone here gets the gist of the potential problems.
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Old 10-11-2017, 10:53 PM   #104
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It's pretty arrogant of you to assume I am arrogant. You're just right and wrong at the same time.

I like tradition. I like having archery season just for traditional archers. But wait, compounds are allowed. Well okay at least they are vertical bows. Now crossbows are allowed.

Well guess what? We still archery hunt with all three. One does not deprive the other. Did I like all the changes? Not at first. But I soon realized they didn't take anything from me when they allowed the others in my club.

However I know I'm out there teaching community service, character development, outdoor skills and leadership to young men and women in our community and I don't need your approval or endorsement.
Apples to oranges. Men and women are different. Boys and girls are different. Gender neutrality is not a good thing. Each gender has their niche. Male bonding and mentorship of our male youth is important. It is important for our female youth. They need to be seperated. They develop differently. No need for me to go on a psychology or sociology rant. Men are being attacked by this agenda. You will develop men unwilling to fight, unwilling to stand up for women, and unwilling to protect our values. It's already happening at an alarming rate. When men and women compete, nobody wins.

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Old 10-11-2017, 10:54 PM   #105
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You fell for the bait. The whole community has access to both groups. There are but two genders. Confused? Just look in your pants for either an innie or an outie. That simple. Don't put your pc agenda into my boy scouts.

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Old 10-11-2017, 10:54 PM   #106
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Boys and girls are different.
I feel for them all!
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Old 10-11-2017, 10:56 PM   #107
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So girls can't be trained in leadership, community involvement, outdoor skill, survival, cooking, camping, hiking, swimming, horseback riding, shooting, archery . . . etc? What is the problem with the young ladies being treated as equals?

Or is this a matter of "separate but equal" for gender instead of race?

Sure they can, just not in the BOY Scouts. Anyone that has a problem with that has the full right to start a new organization and provide those opportunities to girls if they so choose. The Boy Scouts was founded on the concept of developing boys into good young men. This isn't about girls. This society has to quit feeling soooo entitled and quit imposing on others. A private organization has the right to make their own rules.
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Old 10-11-2017, 10:58 PM   #108
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It is a societal change. Creation was tarnished when Adam sinned. Through the ages the tarnish has become corrosion and the corrosion has created erosion. We are on a collision course with the inevitability of God's plan for the final salvation of our world.

However giving our daughters the equal opportunity offered to our son's isn't a sin.
Daughter's have plenty of opportunities, this isn't even close to that kind of argument.
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Old 10-11-2017, 11:00 PM   #109
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It's pretty arrogant of you to assume I am arrogant. You're just right and wrong at the same time.

I like tradition. I like having archery season just for traditional archers. But wait, compounds are allowed. Well okay at least they are vertical bows. Now crossbows are allowed.

Well guess what? We still archery hunt with all three. One does not deprive the other. Did I like all the changes? Not at first. But I soon realized they didn't take anything from me when they allowed the others in my club.

However I know I'm out there teaching community service, character development, outdoor skills and leadership to young men and women in our community and I don't need your approval or endorsement.

It is just amazing to me that TBH has left wing feminists amongst us.
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Old 10-11-2017, 11:11 PM   #110
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Liberals are ruining this country.
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Old 10-11-2017, 11:16 PM   #111
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You mistake tradition for prejudice. Girls simply do not belong in BOY Scouts. There are GIRL Scouts. This is simply watering down gender identity and playing political chess with our children as the pawns. It's disgusting.

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Old 10-11-2017, 11:16 PM   #112
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I was never a Boy Scout but this sounds like bull hockey to me. Why not join the Girl Scouts? Just doing this to prove a point that you can make it happen? Shame on the Boy Scouts for caving. Disgusting
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Old 10-11-2017, 11:26 PM   #113
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If anyone here is looking for an alternative to Girl Scouts or Boy Scouts for girls, look up American Heritage Girls.
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Old 10-11-2017, 11:49 PM   #114
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Pathetic what they have become.


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Old 10-12-2017, 02:08 AM   #115
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I believe it's all about the money and being PC. In a few generations our America will be gone. I've seen a lot of changes in my life, but the last 20 years has been the worst.

It will be the end of the BOY Scouts. "BOY" will have to be removed from the name or they will be sued over the name now.

Change is hard for a lot of us and that's because change isn't always good.

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Old 10-12-2017, 06:32 AM   #116
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Absolutely and the squeaky wheels are getting greased...
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Old 10-12-2017, 06:34 AM   #117
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You fell for the bait. The whole community has access to both groups. There are but two genders. Confused? Just look in your pants for either an innie or an outie. That simple. Don't put your pc agenda into my boy scouts.

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And its just that simple
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Old 10-12-2017, 07:42 AM   #118
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Absolutely and the squeaky wheels are getting greased...
And nobody squeals like the LBGTQ community. But we knew this was coming. So strange that you get labeled for not embracing that lifestyle.
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Old 10-12-2017, 08:08 AM   #119
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They are doing this because they are desperate for membership. They are closing camps left and right because they drove off so many boys with the bowing to the liberal agenda crap. Now this is just them grasping for straws to get numbers up. I think the problem with the Boy Scouts is the same with the NFL and many other companies and advertisers. They are hiring PR firms to tell them what the pulse of the country is. These firms are all in LA and NY, East and West Coast and they have zero idea of what the pulse is. Same people that got the election wrong, that have reduced viewership in the NFL by 30 percent and climbing and drove away all the membership of the scouts.
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And nobody squeals like the LBGTQ community. But we knew this was coming. So strange that you get labeled for not embracing that lifestyle.
Nope and yes we were TOLD it was coming.. He told us what he was going to do.

I'll gladly wear that label.
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Old 10-12-2017, 08:29 AM   #121
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They are doing this because they are desperate for membership. They are closing camps left and right because they drove off so many boys with the bowing to the liberal agenda crap. Now this is just them grasping for straws to get numbers up. I think the problem with the Boy Scouts is the same with the NFL and many other companies and advertisers. They are hiring PR firms to tell them what the pulse of the country is. These firms are all in LA and NY, East and West Coast and they have zero idea of what the pulse is. Same people that got the election wrong, that have reduced viewership in the NFL by 30 percent and climbing and drove away all the membership of the scouts.
The problem is lawyers. Lawyers give this garbage a backbone.
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Old 10-12-2017, 08:59 AM   #122
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Those boys should have no problem pitching a tent at camp outs
Now that's friggin funny!

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Old 10-12-2017, 09:19 AM   #123
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I don't have a stand on this - one way or the other.

But I'm curious as to what women TBH members may think? And male members' wives / significant others' stance on the matter?

And lest ye forget; females are indeed the superior gender. They have half the money and all the coochie in this world.


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Old 10-12-2017, 10:40 AM   #124
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There are few institutions with integrity or back bone. I had the opportunity to read the 1913 Boy Scout Handbook. I was enthusiastic for my son to learn the things I read in that handbook. It took two meetings to realize we had been hoodwinked. They award badges for GAMING. That was it for me. Our brief experience with the Boy Scouts sent us running. I believe, the Boy Scouts is doomed for failure and feel-good, PC moves like this just speed up the process.
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Old 10-12-2017, 10:53 AM   #126
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Know he was wright and you we're wrong. Spelt is for words, spelled is what Harry Potter does to you when he castes a spell on you. He spelled you.
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Know he was wright and you we're wrong. Spelt is for words, spelled is what Harry Potter does to you when he castes a spell on you. He spelled you.
Not in America. And take that apostrophe out of "were."
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The problem is lawyers. Lawyers give this garbage a backbone.
Finally someone has correctly identified the problem. KAL.
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Not in America. And take that apostrophe out of "were."


What about the 'W' in wright?


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JSweet is a smart guy. I am starting to think he was just joking. Dunno—I don't wanna get kilt.
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I think you're right.


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My daughter was in Girl Scouts. It pretty much sucked for her and my wife. She had more fun and learned more when we use to do family camping at Camp Wisdom when my son was a Cub Scout.

Trail Life is an alternative to the BSA. It's funny that they sent me an email this morning when I haven't heard from them in a long while. My son is 17 and not interested in any of it anymore.
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http://religionnews.com/2017/02/17/b...nder-decision/
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Knot in America? We're you being serious about removing the apostrophe out of we're?
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Knot in America? We're you being serious about removing the apostrophe out of we're?
Yes. With the apostrophe it makes the word a past partynipple but with the apostrophe it becomes a conjugational visit.
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Yes. With the apostrophe it makes the word a past partynipple but with the apostrophe it becomes a conjugation.
Ahhhh, know I see. I was preying someone would cheque on my grammar.

Aisle try to keep that in mind next thyme.
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Do the Boy Scouts still get to eat the Brownies
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Just some facts amid a lot of speculation presented here.
  • Boy Scout troops won't be integrated under the new plan.
  • A separate program will be established for girls to participate in parallel to Boy Scouts that will allow girls to work on and achieve the Eagle rank.
  • Cub Scout packs will be integrated if the pack decides they want to, but won't be forced to.
  • Girls have been involved with Boy Scouting, through the Venturing program, since 1969.
  • The entire rest of the world has completely integrated Scouting programs.

Now, my personal opinion based on my time as a scout, Eagle scout, and currently as an Assistant Scout Master. Nothing is going to change unless you want it to change. I don't expect our mid sized troop to create a girls program unless a large group of parents show up and want to take on running it. Not that I have a problem with it personally I just have my hands full helping to run the current troop.

If our troop did start such a program the things I see changing are largely superficial. Meetings will be separate, although probably at the same location and time. I can see Courts of Honor being held together because that's a large family event and I expect families will have kids in both programs. Camping trips will be separate, except for maybe summer camp. But this last summer at Lost Pines summer camp probably 1/4 of the scout staffers were girls from Venture and Sea Scouts. So having girls at summer camp won't be a change.

I do have a 10 year old daughter who left Girl Scouts because she was bored and disappointed she wasn't doing the things her brother is doing in Boy Scouts. If she choose to join ,whatever Boy Scouts is going to call it's girls program, I would help her and be happy for her. I think the self reliance, leadership, teamwork, and planning that Boy Scouts teaches can also be beneficial to girls.
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This has gone some wier over the top.
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Just some facts amid a lot of speculation presented here.
  • Boy Scout troops won't be integrated under the new plan.
  • A separate program will be established for girls to participate in parallel to Boy Scouts that will allow girls to work on and achieve the Eagle rank.
  • Cub Scout packs will be integrated if the pack decides they want to, but won't be forced to.
  • Girls have been involved with Boy Scouting, through the Venturing program, since 1969.
  • The entire rest of the world has completely integrated Scouting programs.

Now, my personal opinion based on my time as a scout, Eagle scout, and currently as an Assistant Scout Master. Nothing is going to change unless you want it to change. I don't expect our mid sized troop to create a girls program unless a large group of parents show up and want to take on running it. Not that I have a problem with it personally I just have my hands full helping to run the current troop.

If our troop did start such a program the things I see changing are largely superficial. Meetings will be separate, although probably at the same location and time. I can see Courts of Honor being held together because that's a large family event and I expect families will have kids in both programs. Camping trips will be separate, except for maybe summer camp. But this last summer at Lost Pines summer camp probably 1/4 of the scout staffers were girls from Venture and Sea Scouts. So having girls at summer camp won't be a change.

I do have a 10 year old daughter who left Girl Scouts because she was bored and disappointed she wasn't doing the things her brother is doing in Boy Scouts. If she choose to join ,whatever Boy Scouts is going to call it's girls program, I would help her and be happy for her. I think the self reliance, leadership, teamwork, and planning that Boy Scouts teaches can also be beneficial to girls.

So, it's a membership drive?
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So, it's a membership drive?
No, although that's been speculated. I think it's more to do with seeing a potential segment that's not being served by scouting and filling that niche. No doubt that additional numbers will be a good thing financially.
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