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NRA has requested the Feds to review bumpstocks.

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We'll see what Ted Nugent says about this. This is a slippery slope and the NRA should recognize it. Putting blame on an inanimate object is no different than blaming the AR-15.
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We'll see what Ted Nugent says about this. This is a slippery slope and the NRA should recognize it. Putting blame on an inanimate object is no different than blaming the AR-15.
They probably see it as an opportunity to appease the libs a little, hell reading the news there appears to be many Republicans on board with hearings on Bump stocks.

Better to loose an ad on than to loose the weapon
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They probably see it as an opportunity to appease the libs a little, hell reading the news there appears to be many Republicans on board with hearings on Bump stocks.

Better to loose an ad on than to loose the weapon
Given what I've seen from the Repubes, it doesn't surprise me. Bend over, grab ankles, take it. That's their MO. The problem is, today it's a bump stock. Tomorrow, it's high capacity magazines and the day after that is the weapon itself. The libs will use the words "we don't need it" against us. It's not for them to decide what I need. I don't own a bump stock and have no desire for owning one but eliminating them won't stop mass shootings. It won't even slow them down. Bump stocks been around for quite a few uneventful years. Now, they're bad...

If this guy off'd 59 people with a bayonet on a 1903 Springfield, the libs wouldn't say sh*t about it. They would scurry around and change the narrative to "military-style weapons and need to be banned.". If you give these people an inch, they'll cut out your heart and show it to you. They play a different game than most of us.

Liberals are not interested in solving the problem. If they were, they would focus on the 40,000+ suicides annually in America and the 84 murders on average in Chicago every month. Those statistics are quite shocking to me but the Marxists go whistling by the graveyard.
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They probably see it as an opportunity to appease the libs a little, hell reading the news there appears to be many Republicans on board with hearings on Bump stocks.

Better to loose an ad on than to loose the weapon
No doubt they and gun owners are in a tight spot on this one. Deadliest shooting in US history, a true massacre, and some sort of action will precipitate from it.

Almost all other shootings had a caveat, be that mental health question or illegally obtained weaponry. This one appears to legal gun ownership and it stinks, but public outcry will likely require sacrifice
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Given what I've seen from the Repubes, it doesn't surprise me. Bend over, grab ankles, take it. That's their MO. The problem is, today it's a bump stock. Tomorrow, it's high capacity magazines and the day after that is the weapon itself. The libs will use the words "we don't need it" against us. It's not for them to decide what I need. I don't own a bump stock and have no desire for owning one but eliminating them won't stop mass shootings. It won't even slow them down. Bump stocks been around for quite a few uneventful years. Now, they're bad...

If this guy off'd 59 people with a bayonet on a 1903 Springfield, the libs wouldn't say sh*t about it. They would scurry around and change the narrative to "military-style weapons and need to be banned.". If you give these people an inch, they'll cut out your heart and show it to you. They play a different game than most of us.

Liberals are not interested in solving the problem. If they were, they would focus on the 40,000+ suicides annually in America and the 84 murders on average in Chicago every month. Those statistics are quite shocking to me but the Marxists go whistling by the graveyard.
I understand all that^^^^^ completely but in this circumstance, with the elected representatives we have on both sides of the isle The American people will loose some freedom after this event. I don't think there is any doubt about it this time. If I am going to loose something it might as well be a bump stock.
Then hope the outrage is enough at some point that we elect republicans with old school courage and constitutional back bone
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"shall be just a little infringed."
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I understand all that^^^^^ completely but in this circumstance, with the elected representatives we have on both sides of the isle The American people will loose some freedom after this event. I don't think there is any doubt about it this time. If I am going to loose something it might as well be a bump stock.
Then hope the outrage is enough at some point that we elect republicans with old school courage and constitutional back bone

You nailed it. I've always said, it's not bad enough for people to care. Yet.
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Told y'all it was coming.
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Fuggin Barak has blood on his hands for letting the bump stocks get into civilians hands.....
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I understand all that^^^^^ completely but in this circumstance, with the elected representatives we have on both sides of the isle The American people will loose some freedom after this event. I don't think there is any doubt about it this time. If I am going to loose something it might as well be a bump stock.
Then hope the outrage is enough at some point that we elect republicans with old school courage and constitutional back bone
Ya....the fact that 95% of gun owners didn't know what bump stocks were or how they operated before the media got ahold of this.

I know, I know....givem and inch, blah, blah blah. Fact is, they are after our guns all the time, even when there hasn't been a national tragedy.

I've got a 90's Hellfire still in the box I'll sell for $1500 cash if anyone missed out on the 2017 Bump Stock Grab.
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Ya....the fact that 95% of gun owners didn't know what bump stocks were or how they operated before the media got ahold of this.

I know, I know....givem and inch, blah, blah blah. Fact is, they are after our guns all the time, even when there hasn't been a national tragedy.

I've got a 90's Hellfire still in the box I'll sell for $1500 cash if anyone missed out on the 2017 Bump Stock Grab.
I understand your point about most gun owners not even knowing what they are thing, but the givem an inch thing is real. If they ban bump fire stocks and someone goes out and does the same thing without one, what do you think they'll go after next? They dang sure aren't gonna say, "well we already banned bump fires so I don't think we can do anything else."
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I understand your point about most gun owners not even knowing what they are thing, but the givem an inch thing is real. If they ban bump fire stocks and someone goes out and does the same thing without one, what do you think they'll go after next? They dang sure aren't gonna say, "well we already banned bump fires so I don't think we can do anything else."
They've been after AR's since the 80's.....we'll be ok. Yes, its stupid, pick your battles. Shift the focus to Mental Health.
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They've been after AR's since the 80's.....we'll be ok. Yes, its stupid, pick your battles. Shift the focus to Mental Health.
True, they have been. I just don't think we've ever had such spineless representatives "on our side". They pretty much fell over themselves to start this "we're open to banning bump stocks" thing. Funny how one side is always the one that "has to compromise".

The problem with the mental health thing is that they will link that to firearms. I don't want the government determining who is mentally fit to own a firearm. The leftist think that owning a firearm means your mentally unstable.
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Nancy Pelosi has now said that "she hopes banning bump fire stocks will start the slippery slope on gun control".

That is their goal people. They don't care about bump fire stocks, they are just the conversation starter. They want your guns.
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" The right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed". Bump stocks and silencers are not arms but add ons. My issue is if you give on these they will be more aggressive on arms. That's the slippery slope.
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Yes, they want our guns. All guns. All accessories and magazines. Fortunately, that has proved to be more difficult than they expected. The easiest course of action is not to ban guns. It is to ban ammo and components. If they do that, they are 50% to where they want to be with one vote.
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Told y'all it was coming.
I bet you're grinnin like a little possum eatin ****. Congratulations for being part of the gun grabbing libs
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I am against bump stocks.
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I am against bump stocks.
Why? This was the only time they have been used. It very apparent you make decisions based on emotions. So does my wife.
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I am against bump stocks.
Me too. That's why I have machine guns. Surely you don't have a problem with that.
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I like you, so a serious question.....why?
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I like you, so a serious question.....why?
He seems like a nice enough guy and he doesn't make me want to drop-kick the hell out of him but I have asked him pointed questions he either cannot or will not answer them. It's an emotional thing for him as with many people. He is free to dislike bump stocks and semi-austos and I support his freedoms to do so. I wish he would respectfully recognize his and our Constitutionally protected Rights of the Second Amendment. True, bump stocks are not Constitutionally protected but he wasn't advocating the abolition of bump stocks. He was supporting the abolition of all semi-automatic weapons.

I doubt if he would be so eager to have the Gubmint censor this forum or march into his home warrantless to rifle through his finances and Internet queries on a phishing expedition. Heck, during their rummaging, maybe they'll determine he owns too many guns and they need to confiscate a few. See, it's not all that fun when other Rights, more important Rights to you, get violated. Constitutional Rights do not have a numeric value. They are equal and should be equally protected because someday, your pet Right will be on the chopping block. But, you don't have anything to hide...right?
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Is this just a small concession to quiet the masses? I don’t know. The one time I played with a bump fire I got the impression it was a neat toy. But maybe it’s worth fighting for?? People are already burning their NRA membership cards all over farcebook.


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I like you, so a serious question.....why?
Because I think they can too easily be used to harm people and I don't see any benefit to society by allowing them. Sure, as the poster above me said "cool toy". I'm OK without the cool toys if it adds any safety to innocent people. I bet the victims don't much care about the cool toy.
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It wasn't too long ago we had a federal ban on assault rifles. Everyone's life was fine then, we knew no different. Why now is it such a big deal?
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Since we can't blame Obama or Pelosi anymore
Who will be the scapegoat?
NRA is falling on its on sword.

First it's bumpstocks
Next it will be suppressors
Then all semi autos
Then all bolt guns
They want to leave us with muskets and slingshots
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It wasn't too long ago we had a federal ban on assault rifles. Everyone's life was fine then, we knew no different. Why now is it such a big deal?
You do realize when there was an assault weapons ban that the gun homicide rate was higher than it is now, right?
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You do realize when there was an assault weapons ban that the gun homicide rate was higher than it is now, right?
No sir. Please post up that link. I'll read up.

But you failed to answer my question.
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No sir. Please post up that link. I'll read up.

But you failed to answer my question.
Shall not be infringed.
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It wasn't too long ago we had a federal ban on assault rifles. Everyone's life was fine then, we knew no different. Why now is it such a big deal?

I know you won't respond but I'll have a go at your question anyway:

It WAS a big deal. It wasn't the media's pet topic so, it wasn't covered. Secondly, I don't recall being given a choice. I'm still not clear why "...shall not be infringed." is such a hard concept to grasp.

I'd like you now to answer my question:

Which Right or portion thereof are you willing to part with?
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No sir. Please post up that link. I'll read up.

But you failed to answer my question.
I'll ask again. Do you have a problem with people owning fully automatic weapons?
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I know you won't respond but I'll have a go at your question anyway:

It WAS a big deal. It wasn't the media's pet topic so, it wasn't covered. Secondly, I don't recall being given a choice. I'm still not clear why "...shall not be infringed." is such a hard concept to grasp.

I'd like you now to answer my question:

Which Right or portion thereof are you willing to part with?
It was a big deal? Why? You couldn't make a living? You couldn't protect your home? Other?

I'm willing to give up a portion of my right to bear arms. No one is suggesting we turn in all our guns.
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I'll ask again. Do you have a problem with people owning fully automatic weapons?
Yes. How is that not clear to you?
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Here's a link.

http://www.aei.org/publication/chart...1993-and-2013/
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I also believe a lot has changed in 226 years.
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I also believe a lot has changed in 226 years.
Yes it has. Do you think your first amendment should be limited to quill pen and paper. Surely the forefathers didn't foresee computers. That argument doesn't hold water.
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Yes it has. Do you think your first amendment should be limited to quill pen and paper. Surely the forefathers didn't foresee computers. That argument doesn't hold water.
Holler at me when an email kills 58 people. Exaggerating of course.
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Because I think they can too easily be used to harm people and I don't see any benefit to society by allowing them. Sure, as the poster above me said "cool toy". I'm OK without the cool toys if it adds any safety to innocent people. I bet the victims don't much care about the cool toy.


They’ve been around for years with no incidents. Pure knee jerk reaction in the name of ding something.

As to “benefit to society” that’s true liberalism 101. Just ask Hillary. Paraphrasing here but as she has stated “it should
be less about the individual and more about the collective society”.

Bull crap. America is all about individualism and individual liberty.


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Yes. How is that not clear to you?
Here's something you need to read.


https://thejacknews.com/law/gun-righ...es-since-1934/
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Nice deer, though. Machine Gun kill?
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Nice deer, though. Machine Gun kill?
Thanks. Handgun. Machineguns are not legal for deer. But I do love to use them on hogs.
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Because I think they can too easily be used to harm people and I don't see any benefit to society by allowing them. Sure, as the poster above me said "cool toy". I'm OK without the cool toys if it adds any safety to innocent people. I bet the victims don't much care about the cool toy.
How is that boat you have "chase this" or the truck you have to pull it with not considered toys and objects to harm people. I promise and guarantee you sir a person could murder more with your two toys than a bump stock ever could

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Yes it has. Do you think your first amendment should be limited to quill pen and paper. Surely the forefathers didn't foresee computers. That argument doesn't hold water.




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Holler at me when an email kills 58 people. Exaggerating of course.

Nice straw man there. But I'll play your game.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/03/us/mic...ing/index.html

No amendment is more important than the other. No gun of any type has ever killed anyone on its own. It's taken a lunatic every single time. Quit blaming the inanimate object and blame the lunatic that chose to use it for evil.



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Holler at me when an email kills 58 people. Exaggerating of course.
Cyber bullying comes to mind.
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