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Interesting to see the president support infringing on the 1st amendment.

"Network news has become so partisan, distorted and fake that licenses must be challenged and, if appropriate, revoked. Not fair to public!"

"With all of the Fake News coming out of NBC and the Networks, at what point is it appropriate to challenge their License? Bad for country!"

Also, I can't believe someone can't take away his twitter account.
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No one has ever been better at controlling the narrative than Trump. Tweet something ridiculous that your base will love, watch the news media and crazy left go bananas, and once again we go another news cycle while not focusing on real issues.

What's going on with Iran? What's the current plan with N. Korea? How are we doing on tax reform? What's the latest on the ACA and its replacement/repeal? What about DACA? The "tall beautiful wall"?

Trump focuses the media, and by default America on whatever red herring he wants. It's actually pretty masterful.
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No one has ever been better at controlling the narrative than Trump. Tweet something ridiculous that your base will love, watch the news media and crazy left go bananas, and once again we go another news cycle while not focusing on real issues.

What's going on with Iran? What's the current plan with N. Korea? How are we doing on tax reform? What's the latest on the ACA and its replacement/repeal? What about DACA? The "tall beautiful wall"?

Trump focuses the media, and by default America on whatever red herring he wants. It's actually pretty masterful.
Iran - cancel current deal
N. Korea - war of words unless Rocket Man does something really stupid.
Tax Reform - Probably will hit road blocks on both sides of the aisle.
Daca - Approved
Wall - meh
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Not sure if he threatened or just called them out again.. "Fake News" using Trumps name for it, are as much a threat to our freedom as a government controlled press core. The liberal media is in bed with the dems and are biascally being "controlled" as to what narrative they are spewing 24/7. If we can not see the danger in the national media being in bed with either political party we are doomed for sure.
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Not sure if he threatened or just called them out again.. "Fake News" using Trumps name for it, are as much a threat to our freedom as a government controlled press core. The liberal media is in bed with the dems and are biascally being "controlled" as to what narrative they are spewing 24/7. If we can not see the danger in the national media being in bed with either political party we are doomed for sure.


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Not sure if he threatened or just called them out again.. "Fake News" using Trumps name for it, are as much a threat to our freedom as a government controlled press core. The liberal media is in bed with the dems and are biascally being "controlled" as to what narrative they are spewing 24/7. If we can not see the danger in the national media being in bed with either political party we are doomed for sure.
Yep. If Reagan had a twitter account........
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Iran - cancel current deal
N. Korea - war of words unless Rocket Man does something really stupid.
Tax Reform - Probably will hit road blocks on both sides of the aisle.
Daca - Approved
Wall - meh
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Not sure if he threatened or just called them out again.. "Fake News" using Trumps name for it, are as much a threat to our freedom as a government controlled press core. The liberal media is in bed with the dems and are biascally being "controlled" as to what narrative they are spewing 24/7. If we can not see the danger in the national media being in bed with either political party we are doomed for sure.
not to mention the most watched news agency being controlled by the repubs. (fox news)

it seems common to leave fox out of the tag "mainstream media" but they are the biggest one in the msm. and, they owe trump big time. hes basically convinced(or reinforced) his entire following that no other news network can be trusted and fox ratings have never been better.

couldnt agree more with you though. its getting very hard to find a national news network that even attempts to be objective and unbiased. and this will end up being very divisive and dangerous.



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[COLOR="Blue"]not to mention the most watched news agency being controlled by the repubs. (fox news)

it seems common to leave fox out of the tag "mainstream media" but they are the biggest one in the msm. and, they owe trump big time. hes basically convinced(or reinforced) his entire following that no other news network can be trusted and fox ratings have never been better.
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couldnt agree more with you though. its getting very hard to find a national news network that even attempts to be objective and unbiased. and this will end up being very divisive and dangerous.



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I think the reason people leave Fox out of discussions like this is because Fox is the stand alone channel with a "Republican" leaning. So it kind of seems like it's Fox against the world.

Dinesh D'Souza, I think, nails it when it comes to Fox. It's not necessarily that they are the best and are always telling the truth, they simply came in with an alternate perspective and exposed "news" for what it is. Which is whatever the person feeding it to you wants it to be.


I agree. There really isn't anything out there that doesn' t have a spin/bias/agenda. It's been that way for a long time. This is why it's important we stop teaching kids what to think and instead teach them how to think. I can watch CNN/Fox and wade through the BS to come to my own conclusion/opinion about a topic. It seems that is lost on a lot of people.
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Old 10-12-2017, 11:38 AM   #10
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I can watch CNN/Fox and wade through the BS to come to my own conclusion/opinion about a topic. It seems that is lost on a lot of people.
exactly! you listen to both sides of an argument then find the truth somewhere in the middle.

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exactly! you listen to both sides of an argument then find the truth somewhere in the middle.

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Except they are getting more and more simpatico.

I refuse to watch and Cable news shows except Kennedy but I only like that show for her commentary and the Topical Storm as its hilarious. The panels on the show are the same as the rest of fox. We haven't turned on cable news in months at our house, I have pretty much forbade it. It is just designed to divide.


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exactly! you listen to both sides of an argument then find the truth somewhere in the middle.

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Well I wouldn't even go that far. If I watch news, it's really for the headlines only. The topic can be thought of and researched individually and free from news orgs. Saying that. There are some people I like in media. You just have to realize they are people with their own views and agendas just like you and I.
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http://dailycaller.com/2017/10/10/ny...ti-trump-bias/

A NYT editor just got caught on camera admitting they are biased and uh well-

"The editor also claimed to be a former antifa member who frequently assaulted alleged neo-Nazis. “Yeah, I used to be an antifa punk once upon a time,” Dudich says, referring to the militant far-left movement that has repeatedly attacked conservatives and Trump supporters."

I mean is it really "news" to promote lies, say like the Trump PeePee dossier. At some point I think you get into slander.
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A NYT editor just got caught on camera admitting they are biased and uh well-

"The editor also claimed to be a former antifa member who frequently assaulted alleged neo-Nazis. “Yeah, I used to be an antifa punk once upon a time,” Dudich says, referring to the militant far-left movement that has repeatedly attacked conservatives and Trump supporters."

I mean is it really "news" to promote lies, say like the Trump PeePee dossier. At some point I think you get into slander.
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Trump train rolling baby!!!!!!!!!!!
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Didnt BHO Obama infringe a wee bit on "free press" as well?

In 2013 the news broke that Eric Holder’s Justice Department had spied on James Rosen. Obama’s DOJ collected Rosen’s telephone records as well as tracked his movements to and from the State Department from where he reported. Rosen was named as a possible co-conspirator in a Justice Department affidavit. Rosen claims that his parents phone line was also swept up in the collection of his records and DOJ records seem to confirm that. Despite the targeting of Rosen, there were no brave calls to boycott the White House Correspondents Dinner.

Obama’s Justice Department secretly obtained months of phone records belonging to AP journalists while investigating a failed terror attack. And much like the Rosen spying, this was personally approved by Attorney General Holder.

Chase, read you up a little on the Patriot Act. It did a little more than, infringe
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Didnt BHO Obama infringe a wee bit on "free press" as well?

In 2013 the news broke that Eric Holder’s Justice Department had spied on James Rosen. Obama’s DOJ collected Rosen’s telephone records as well as tracked his movements to and from the State Department from where he reported. Rosen was named as a possible co-conspirator in a Justice Department affidavit. Rosen claims that his parents phone line was also swept up in the collection of his records and DOJ records seem to confirm that. Despite the targeting of Rosen, there were no brave calls to boycott the White House Correspondents Dinner.

Obama’s Justice Department secretly obtained months of phone records belonging to AP journalists while investigating a failed terror attack. And much like the Rosen spying, this was personally approved by Attorney General Holder.

Chase, read you up a little on the Patriot Act. It did a little more than, infringe
tu quoque

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Oh but of course! You see this all the time now from the liberals and their criticism of Trump. Oh how soon some forget.
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Oh but of course! You see this all the time now from the liberals and their criticism of Trump. Oh how soon some forget.
i dont think that particular logical fallacy is limited to a single political group.

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i dont think that particular logical fallacy is limited to a single political group.

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Then why bring it up? Agenda maybe?
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Then why bring it up? Agenda maybe?
i brought it up because its a bs argument that too many ppl use these days.

ill point it out when i see it.

so, yeah, i guess i have an agenda. and, that agenda is to call out bs arguments.

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at what point is it appropriate to challenge their License? Bad for country!"
So how about CNN leaking questions to Clinton, on 2 occaisions?

Put me down as thinking it is appropriate to challenge Donna's (a DNC chair) and CNN's license.
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i brought it up because its a bs argument that too many ppl use these days.

ill point it out when i see it.

so, yeah, i guess i have an agenda. and, that agenda is to call out bs arguments.

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Such as this one? I too don't mind calling it out.
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Such as this one? I too don't mind calling it out.
where is the fallacy in my argument?

my argument being - the post that i quoted was an example of a logical fallacy called "tu quoque"

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Didnt BHO Obama infringe a wee bit on "free press" as well?

In 2013 the news broke that Eric Holder’s Justice Department had spied on James Rosen. Obama’s DOJ collected Rosen’s telephone records as well as tracked his movements to and from the State Department from where he reported. Rosen was named as a possible co-conspirator in a Justice Department affidavit. Rosen claims that his parents phone line was also swept up in the collection of his records and DOJ records seem to confirm that. Despite the targeting of Rosen, there were no brave calls to boycott the White House Correspondents Dinner.

Obama’s Justice Department secretly obtained months of phone records belonging to AP journalists while investigating a failed terror attack. And much like the Rosen spying, this was personally approved by Attorney General Holder.

Chase, read you up a little on the Patriot Act. It did a little more than, infringe
Just a "wee" bit...

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The first amendment is actually meant to prevent the media we have right now
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Not sure if he threatened or just called them out again.. "Fake News" using Trumps name for it, are as much a threat to our freedom as a government controlled press core. The liberal media is in bed with the dems and are biascally being "controlled" as to what narrative they are spewing 24/7. If we can not see the danger in the national media being in bed with either political party we are doomed for sure.
Exactly right
Trump cant revoke the medias license but he can make it abundantly clear that
They are not and never have done the republican party any favors. GW was treated this same way only he never said anything about it. The media IS a tool for one side of the isle and DO NOT live up to their constitutional privilege
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No one has ever been better at controlling the narrative than Trump. Tweet something ridiculous that your base will love, watch the news media and crazy left go bananas, and once again we go another news cycle while not focusing on real issues.

What's going on with Iran? What's the current plan with N. Korea? How are we doing on tax reform? What's the latest on the ACA and its replacement/repeal? What about DACA? The "tall beautiful wall"?

Trump focuses the media, and by default America on whatever red herring he wants. It's actually pretty masterful.
Those who choose to be informed can be informed..

Wall: http://www.newsweek.com/see-first-ph...er-wall-683044
Tax Reform: At the soonest will be christmas, the RINO's don't want it.
ACA: issued EO today on it https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...=.50067a8a87c7
DACA is on a 6 month deal for congress to figure out, after that it is "supposed to be eliminated".
Iran/N. Korea, we will know when we need to know. That is national security, let them work.
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It's funny the leftists cheered when Barry made recess appointments when Congress was not in recess. That is an impeachable offense. Trump simply opens his hole and they clamber to uphold the Constitution; at least, part of it. Inconsistency is the fabric of their being. They have absolutely no morals and are worth less than cockroaches to me.
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Inconsistency is the fabric of their being. They have absolutely no morals and are worth less than cockroaches to me.
In my opinion that's one of the major things that separates the left and the right.....they have no morals or principles. I will however disagree with the cockroach comment.
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Man this was such a civil political discussion for so long! Kinda refreshing and only a few over the top comments. Trump is right they are biased news outlets but the risk of not having a free press far outweighs any cons. It will be interesting to see how far it evolves with technology. Most don't have the attention span to absorb any depth of information to make rational conclusions. Now Russia is buying ads on Facebook and Twitter trying to influence us and I'm sure it is working to some degree.

I try to get my news from sources that are NOT sensationalizing everything. #1 muse in the news for any dfw ticket fans #2 vice news #3 npr. Of course I know they are inherently biased but I never place too much stock in any of it.
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I have no problem shutting down fake news propaganda machines. News should only be the whole truth and nothing but the truth and totally unbiased.
I also have no problem putting people in jail or sued for slander for deliberately reporting fake news (lies) that is meant to hurt America and people they don't like or disagree with.
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I have no problem shutting down fake news propaganda machines. News should only be the whole truth and nothing but the truth and totally unbiased.
I also have no problem putting people in jail or sued for slander for deliberately reporting fake news (lies) that is meant to hurt America and people they don't like or disagree with.
I agree with hitting them with lawsuits over slander to keep them in check. That goes for both sides.
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Trump threatens free press....cnn couldnt have wrote that headline better. NBC is not the free press, it does the heavy lifting for the left and has for 30 years.
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It IS damaging and it IS annoying as hell but what y'all are saying is essentially censorship of certain brands of speech. As reprehensible as the media is, just remember, there will come a time when "your guy" isn't in office. The pendulum will swing back. The First Amendment is equally as important as the Second.


If people were properly educated, this would be a non-issue. The leftists have assumed control of our educational system and purposefully run it straight into the ground so future generations can't recognize BS when they see/hear it. The ship is taking on water folks.
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There is a vast difference between free press and propaganda. When you have multi media groups continuously lying to slant a story for political reasons, that's not free press. And it happens daily. Editors fired for allowing lies to be published as news, media employees fixing political debates, constant political bias promoted by entire networks...that's not free press.
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not to mention the most watched news agency being controlled by the repubs. (fox news)

it seems common to leave fox out of the tag "mainstream media" but they are the biggest one in the msm. and, they owe trump big time. hes basically convinced(or reinforced) his entire following that no other news network can be trusted and fox ratings have never been better.

couldnt agree more with you though. its getting very hard to find a national news network that even attempts to be objective and unbiased. and this will end up being very divisive and dangerous.



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The far left media controlling the narrative created the market for Fox News.

Ie - 20 years ago the MSM essentially created a vacuum that brought on the rise of Fox.

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