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I was at the dsc and seen that nosler is coming out with the 22 nosler for a ar 15 platform. Uses the 223 bolt but the case is fatter. Needs a 6.8 mag.


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I would want it in a bolt gun. Sweet varmint cartridge
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Old 01-08-2017, 08:22 PM   #3
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It's a screamer! Wow!
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Edit I should read first
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So this is gonna fit in an ar15 platform?
Yes. With the same 223 bolt

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They told me there are 5 or 6 ar manufacturers that are going to make them. and midway will sell barrels and uppers chambered in it this year.

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Sweet. Been looking at 22lbc and 22x6.8 stuff. I'd probably be in on it
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Nosler is about 5 yrs to late to the "AR new cartridge platform" party

gonna be an epic failure just like many of the WSSM / WSM cartridges
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I would want it in a bolt gun. Sweet varmint cartridge


No need to keep reinventing the wheel. The 22/250 is better than both.


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Wonder how they're dealing with pressures. The 6.8 and 6.5 bolts went through a little window of trouble did they not. Most are beefed up now or 9130 steel or both. How's this one gonna run with standard 556 bolts?
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Wonder how they're dealing with pressures. The 6.8 and 6.5 bolts went through a little window of trouble did they not. Most are beefed up now or 9130 steel or both. How's this one gonna run with standard 556 bolts?
Well it has the sandard 223 bolt so it has thicker walls than the 6.8 and the 6.5 I think.

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No need to keep reinventing the wheel. The 22/250 is better than both.


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My thoughts with them trying to benchmark against the .223 vs a real hot rod
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And the .223 still does just as good of a job as anything else so why have anything different? New is fun and a reason for new rifles
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Wonder how they're dealing with pressures. The 6.8 and 6.5 bolts went through a little window of trouble did they not. Most are beefed up now or 9130 steel or both. How's this one gonna run with standard 556 bolts?


Those bolts were failing due to the larger bolt face diameter and the reduced amount of material required on the bolt with them.

This one looks to have a rebated rim.


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Did anyone else catch the misprint on that loading book page?

Oh and 22nosler.com doesn't appear to be up & running yet


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Yes, for a bolt gun. This is more towards the AR15 platform.

Looks like a nice option for those wanting a 22 cal varmint AR15. Personally if I'm changing from a .223/5.56 I'm going to go larger bullet diameter.
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Nosler is about 5 yrs to late to the "AR new cartridge platform" party

gonna be an epic failure just like many of the WSSM / WSM cartridges
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Blake is right...this will not go anywhere.
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Yes, for a bolt gun. This is more towards the AR15 platform.



Looks like a nice option for those wanting a 22 cal varmint AR15. Personally if I'm changing from a .223/5.56 I'm going to go larger bullet diameter.


I would rather have a custom AR in 22/250 if that's possible.


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AR308 platform with a black hole barrel.
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I just finished a build on a M5 (AR 10) platform in 22-250, just waiting to work some loads up for it.
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Old 01-10-2017, 07:42 AM   #23
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I'm not sure I agree with that. I would be interested to know what barrel length they used to get those velocities. I would think since it is specifically designed for an AR 15 they would've used 20 to 22 inch barrels. If that's the case, to get 3500 ft./s with a 55 grain bullet out of a 20 inch barrel, puts it right in the ballpark of the 22 250 without having to go to a big, heavy clunky AR10 rifle.

Personally if I'm going to have to deal with the extra size and weight of an AR10 rifle, it's not going to be a 22 caliber of any kind.


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It was 3500 fps with a 24' and 3350 with a 18" I think

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There will always be guys like us willing play with a new round & reload, but to reach the masses you have to mfg lots of rounds to make them affordable.

Heck, most won't even shoot the 204 in the AR because 223 is so cheap...this Nosler is going to be too expensive a round. I just don't see it taking off.
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I knew that. Just wasn't thinking

I'm still interested. A better .22 has existed, several actually. But none have been backed and pushed like this has the potential to be.
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There will always be guys like us willing play with a new round & reload, but to reach the masses you have to mfg lots of rounds to make them affordable.

Heck, most won't even shoot the 204 in the AR because 223 is so cheap...this Nosler is going to be too expensive a round. I just don't see it taking off.

That's a totally different discussion Paul. Obviously it will never be as popular as the 5.56/.223 as no other AR variant caliber is. However I don't think it will be a flop.

Hey I mean if Nosler takes marketing skills to the level that Hornady did with the Creedmoor it will be the be all/end all caliber for the AR15.

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I knew that. Just wasn't thinking

I'm still interested. A better .22 has existed, several actually. But none have been backed and pushed like this has the potential to be.

I'm interested as well. It intrigues me for some reason. Build it in a 7 twist barrel and shoot heavies at a still reasonable velocities and/or run a 40-50 grain bullet at over 3500fps and it will be a varmint nightmare. Handloaders will likely be able to squeeze more velocity out of it as from my experience Nosler load data tends to be pretty conservative.




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Too bad you can't get the 22-250 in an AR15.


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Don't see why you couldn't make one in a AR-10 platform
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Don't see why you couldn't make one in a AR-10 platform


You can do a 22-250 in an AR10. There's one posted in the thread. Don't see why you would want to for the little gain in performance over the 22 Nosler though.


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You could BUT they're not near as light and handy
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Midway USA is already selling complete uppers in this caliber for $450.
Also they have the 55 grain and 77 grain nosler ammo on there for $28 and $24 a box, respectively.
That's really not too expensive per box compared to higher end .223 varmint ammo. I might actually consider building one for varmints and maybe even some light deer hunting for youth.
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I'm not sure I agree with that. I would be interested to know what barrel length they used to get those velocities. I would think since it is specifically designed for an AR 15 they would've used 20 to 22 inch barrels. If that's the case, to get 3500 ft./s with a 55 grain bullet out of a 20 inch barrel, puts it right in the ballpark of the 22 250 without having to go to a big, heavy clunky AR10 rifle.

Personally if I'm going to have to deal with the extra size and weight of an AR10 rifle, it's not going to be a 22 caliber of any kind.


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I wish they'd do this but with a 6mm bullet on it. Like the 6x45 only faster. And with nosler pushing it it could become pretty popular.


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I like that neck up to a 6mm with a 1/8 twist. Little more punch for deer.
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Nosler is about 5 yrs to late to the "AR new cartridge platform" party



gonna be an epic failure just like many of the WSSM / WSM cartridges


Yeah I read about it. I love the other Noslers but I'm thinking this is a flop. That and there's something about Nosler and AR being used in the same sentence that just doesn't sound right.


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Yeah I read about it. I love the other Noslers but I'm thinking this is a flop. That and there's something about Nosler and AR being used in the same sentence that just doesn't sound right.


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I dig it. Near 22-250 performance in an AR15 platform. What's not to like?

I will have one.


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The 77gr bullet going 3000 fps out of an AR is pretty impressive. Might have to pick one of these up
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Everyone will jump on this paying $1+ / round of scarce ammo versus $0.30 / round that is still substandard compared to a .22-250 and not a significant gain over the .223 loads. Appears a 5.56mm is what they are trying to compete with and 5.56mm is cheap!!!
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Here y'all go. Looks like a sweet round but I'll just stick with my .204 for now

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Everyone will jump on this paying $1+ / round of scarce ammo versus $0.30 / round that is still substandard compared to a .22-250 and not a significant gain over the .223 loads. Appears a 5.56mm is what they are trying to compete with and 5.56mm is cheap!!!


Not a significant gain over 5.56? 300fps is pretty substantial.

Quite a bit more energy down range and considerably flatter trajectory.


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Everyone will jump on this paying $1+ / round of scarce ammo versus $0.30 / round that is still substandard compared to a .22-250 and not a significant gain over the .223 loads. Appears a 5.56mm is what they are trying to compete with and 5.56mm is cheap!!!

100fps slower: substandard

300fps faster: not a significant gain
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I think a 60gr Partition/64gr bonded at ~3200 would be a wicked deer/pig round.
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I dig it. Near 22-250 performance in an AR15 platform. What's not to like?

I will have one.


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For me I don't like AR's.


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Nosler is about 5 yrs to late to the "AR new cartridge platform" party

gonna be an epic failure just like many of the WSSM / WSM cartridges
I love my 25wssm!!!! And my 270wsm ain't bad either. Why do you say failures???
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I love my 25wssm!!!! And my 270wsm ain't bad either. Why do you say failures???


I love mine too but the wssm WAS an epic failure - Winchester failed to market them properly and they've completely dropped any support of those calibers, including their failure to continue ammunition production or even brass production. They're great calibers that are an enormous and expensive PITA to shoot. Even reloading dies are more expensive than any similar caliber


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I love my 25wssm!!!! And my 270wsm ain't bad either. Why do you say failures???
b/c Winchester failed miserably at R&D before introducing the WSSM cartridges and they don't support the product line. Eerily reminds me of Remington's Etronix rifle released during this same time period - what a freakin' cluster that was

google 223 WSSM and read any thread confirming it's failure. If you own a rifle chambered in 223WSSM you can't even give it away

additionally, brass is either non-existent or you have to pay a King's ransom ... $2-3 a piece for fired nickle brass, and $4+ per round for loaded ammo (see links below) .... which is beyond ridiculous

the WSM cartridges appear to be a better design and have received support from other rifle and ammunition companies

http://www.midwayusa.com/s?userSearc...temsPerPage=48


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