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Old 01-07-2017, 02:37 PM   #1
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I'm putting together my first recurve. I'm going the ILF route and have a blacked out Hoyt Excel 21" riser on order.

My research has me believe a 61" string is the correct length for a 64" bow.

21" riser + medium = 64"

I'm going with medium Blackmax limbs.

Does a 61" string sound correct?

Any string maker suggestions? Archerytalk has plenty of options but I'd like to support a TBH'r if I can.



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Old 01-07-2017, 02:43 PM   #2
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yessir 61'' string would be correct
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Old 01-07-2017, 02:47 PM   #3
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Thank you!


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Old 01-07-2017, 03:04 PM   #4
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I thought it was 4inches difference between actual string and bow length?

Aka 64inch bow would need a 60 string...?
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Uh, we just had this discussion a month or two ago.

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Old 01-07-2017, 03:26 PM   #6
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I thought it was 4inches difference between actual string and bow length?

Aka 64inch bow would need a 60 string...?
You would be correct for what he is setting up
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Daniel made mine three and a half inches shorter and I twisted the heck out of them to get my brace height right.

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Old 01-07-2017, 03:51 PM   #8
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Uh, we just had this discussion a month or two ago.

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I did a search before posting. I did not find the old discussion. I hate being that guy dragging up old conversations. It was not intentional.

Thank you for the info. It sounds like a 60" or 61" string will be a good starting point.


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Old 01-07-2017, 03:56 PM   #9
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you can ask any question you want, who cares when it was posted last...
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Old 01-07-2017, 04:08 PM   #11
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I have always got them 2" shorter. They can always be twisted shorter but you gotta be really stout to stretch one
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There was a link on it. I have it saved on my desk top. But the geek squad has it right now.

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http://discussions.texasbowhunter.co...d.php?t=617110

Found the thread. Some good info here.

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you can ask any question you want, who cares when it was posted last...
I wasn't saying it to be rude. There were some good comments and information there. It's not always easy to duplicate that.
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Old 01-07-2017, 08:25 PM   #15
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I've ordered three strings from HCB. The first two were 4" short, the third was 3" short. All for recurves. Knowing what I know now I'll order Fast Flight strings 3" short and B50 strings 4" short. It'll make it easier to keep my brace height where I want it.


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Old 01-07-2017, 09:10 PM   #16
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Richard has it figured about right. B50 will stretch about half an inch in the first thirty shots and the other half inch by one hundred.
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Old 01-07-2017, 09:24 PM   #17
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http://discussions.texasbowhunter.co...d.php?t=617110

Found the thread. Some good info here.

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Gary - thanks for the thread link. This was confirmed by an article I found by a string maker that goes by 60X on various forums.

61" is my final answer...after I confirm what I'm building is a 64" AMO bow.


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I'm ordering the Flemish b50, so with 62 AMO, I'm getting their 58" string.

I wasn't asking for repetition, but when I saw the OP ordering 3inches short, I was just trying to make sure I wasn't ordering the wrong string for my own new bow by ordering the 4" shorter.
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Old 01-08-2017, 06:29 AM   #19
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For my 64" bows with fast flight type strings, 60" is too short (for me). Gives me more brace height than I like. I make my strings (Flemish) 61" and add twist to about 60 3/4" to get the brace height I like. YMMV Works for me on my longbow as well as recurve ILF bow.
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Old 01-08-2017, 10:32 AM   #20
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61" is correct.

Just remember, that length is what is called the under load/on the bow measurement.
The relaxed/off the bow length will be a bit shorter, but how much shorter depends on what material is used to build the string.

If working with the fast flight variety string material for a flemish string, you could go with a 60.5" relaxed length, and be able to adjust to a properer brace height.

If using polyester type materials (B50, B55, etc) a 60" relaxed length should work.

Keep in mind though, those lengths assume the strings are well made, and properly prestretched during construction.

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OR,
since I own, and am currently shooting the exact same bow you are building, let me give you my string specs. I just measured it for you:

Bow - Hoyt Excel / Medium limbs / 64" / Set to 8.25" brace height

String - 12 strand Brownell's Rhino (this is one of the top shelf fast flight varieties)
............On the bow under load string length - Exactly 61"
............Off the bow relaxed length - 60.75"

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Old 01-08-2017, 12:45 PM   #22
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OR,
since I own, and am currently shooting the exact same bow you are building, let me give you my string specs. I just measured it for you:

Bow - Hoyt Excel / Medium limbs / 64" / Set to 8.25" brace height

String - 12 strand Brownell's Rhino (this is one of the top shelf fast flight varieties)
............On the bow under load string length - Exactly 61"
............Off the bow relaxed length - 60.75"

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Rick -

Thank you for this information. You just answered the second question I was researching...BH.
I know I've jumped into this project the hard way but I wanted to start with a solid platform which is why I chose the Excel riser. My goal is to shoot 3D and eventually hunt with it.

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Robert, You're quite welcome.

My 8.25" brace height is at the lower end of what you should shoot the Excel at. Depending on the arrows, I recommend not going below 8", or above 9", and the Excel will perform great somewhere within that window. You'll just have to find the sweet spot.

I am shooting full length shafts that are a little weak in spine, so I started out low just to see how they would behave. They shoot pretty good, but I suspect after more tweaking with center shot, I will eventually wind up in the 8-5/8" to 8-3/4" area for my sweet spot on BH.

Thing is, a 61" string will give you all the adjustment you need to get where you want/need to be within the properly functioning BH window for that bow.

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Funny thing, I went and measured the string that I made for my son's Excel before I posted here. It is exactly 4 inches shorter at 8-3/8 brace height. I will bow out now
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Funny thing, I went and measured the string that I made for my son's Excel before I posted here. It is exactly 4 inches shorter at 8-3/8 brace height. I will bow out now
Ben, did you measure it on or off the bow?
Also what material?

The material will make a huge difference in what the off the bow measurement will be. Polyester materials like B50 will almost always measure 4 (or more) inches shorter than the bow length when they are measured relaxed.

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I have found strings on bows to vary quite a bit. Gary, I think I remember you and I guestimating on the string length(correct?).

That's why I dont go off of what others say. I want an Actual String Length(ASL). The way I like to do it is have the bow at the BH you want, take it off the bow and measure it right away. Sure, it will shrink a little right as it is taken off, but it will be very close.

As Rick stated, some materials shrink a lot faster and farther than others, B55 being one of those!

FWIW, I have seen recurve strings go from everything from 2.5" shorter to almost 5. I have read on bowyers websites who didn't have been building bows for a very long time and not even they knew what string length was needed for one of their bows. Bottom line IMO is to get a bow and measure the string. A great tool for this is a tiller string. I believe I may start selling some(Cheaper than a custom string of coarse just to help people determine a string length.
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Old 01-10-2017, 09:48 PM   #27
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I ordered a 61" Brownell XS2 custom string from 60X Custom Bowstrings today. I'll report back on my finding.

Thank you to everyone who helped out. My first recurve is slowly coming together.


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Old 01-11-2017, 09:05 PM   #28
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I have found strings on bows to vary quite a bit. Gary, I think I remember you and I guestimating on the string length(correct?).

That's why I dont go off of what others say. I want an Actual String Length(ASL). The way I like to do it is have the bow at the BH you want, take it off the bow and measure it right away. Sure, it will shrink a little right as it is taken off, but it will be very close.

As Rick stated, some materials shrink a lot faster and farther than others, B55 being one of those!

FWIW, I have seen recurve strings go from everything from 2.5" shorter to almost 5. I have read on bowyers websites who didn't have been building bows for a very long time and not even they knew what string length was needed for one of their bows. Bottom line IMO is to get a bow and measure the string. A great tool for this is a tiller string. I believe I may start selling some(Cheaper than a custom string of coarse just to help people determine a string length.
No. Not guessing on my part. As far as the Sage is concerned you had the answer. The Bear maybe but even a guess was better than the to short of string it had.

Wanting to know the original string length doesn't help when the original string is wrong. And honestly, too many people can't accurately read a tape measure. I'm not wrong on that. I've hired, fired and trained maintenance personnel for decades.

I do know I had a lot more stretch from the string for the Sage, which should have been FF material than from the one on the Bear which should have been non FF material.

However both strings have made a dramatic positve impact on the sound and vibration of the bows so overall I'm happy.

That said, I'm fixing to order one for the longer limbs, and I will order it 61". 3" shorter than the length of the bow.

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