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Old 12-09-2016, 08:46 PM   #4001
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I can attest that hourly sucks. I have been a salaried employee since about 1995 and was put on hourly 2 years ago. It sucks balls and I am turning in my 2 weeks on Monday and going to find another job. We have gone from 84 hours a week to 56 hours a week. With pay cuts earlier this year and now this until about April or May I might as well go work at McDonald's and be home everyday.

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Old 12-09-2016, 08:51 PM   #4002
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Yeah it's really not bad. Our company if your hourly has to work you at a minimum of 20 days or they are losing money. if you don't work the office starts asking questions. I'm really hoping the wages come back after the year. But than again I have heard some of the wages that other company's are offering on the hourly rate are crazy low.
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Old 12-09-2016, 08:57 PM   #4003
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I hear ya. I have been hourly for 3 years now and I hate it until I have a 20 hr work day.
Yea luckily I get more than just a single day rate for the long days
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Yeah it's really not bad. Our company if your hourly has to work you at a minimum of 20 days or they are losing money. if you don't work the office starts asking questions. I'm really hoping the wages come back after the year. But than again I have heard some of the wages that other company's are offering on the hourly rate are crazy low.
How do they lose money if an hourly worker isn't working?

I think wages will have to come up.. I'm expecting a shortage in guys wanting to come back and that's the only way to persuade them
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Old 12-09-2016, 09:16 PM   #4004
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Yeah it's really not bad. Our company if your hourly has to work you at a minimum of 20 days or they are losing money. if you don't work the office starts asking questions. I'm really hoping the wages come back after the year. But than again I have heard some of the wages that other company's are offering on the hourly rate are crazy low.

How does the company loose?

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We went hourly back in the middle of the summer. July I think. To say it sucked is an understatement. The rates they gave us were so bad that we would just sit around and purposely try to get laid off or fired. After a few weeks of the loss in employee production, the company re-evaluated our rates and made an increase but still not good enough.

Wow! You just said that out loud!!!! I'll refrain form saying anymore!! Sometimes it would be nice for guys like you to have the burden of owning a company and see what actually it takes to make it! When things are good everyone is happy go lucky with their company! When things get tight us company owners are all sorry rich SOBs!

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Old 12-09-2016, 09:20 PM   #4005
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Oh, I should have explained that a little more, they pay a standby rate while at the house. So if you don't work they pay a fixed rate an hour. So basically That fixed rate is for 15mins while at the house. Comes out way more than the original salary rate. The hourly rate is the same, while at work they give you a fixed day rate which is higher than standby rate, but once you get over 40 hrs overtime is kicked in. The way they fixed it up you make the same or more than the original day rate stuff. An example, you have a chance of making 7kwhile sitting at home if you didn't work for that month. For that month they lost, 20 days is the break even point. Anything less than that they lose money. I was really skeptical when it happened however I make more with the new system. Weird and really hard to explain.
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Oh, I should have explained that a little more, they pay a standby rate while at the house. So if you don't work they pay a fixed rate an hour. So basically That fixed rate is for 15mins while at the house. Comes out way more than the original salary rate. The hourly rate is the same, while at work they give you a fixed day rate which is higher than standby rate, but once you get over 40 hrs overtime is kicked in. The way they fixed it up you make the same or more than the original day rate stuff. An example, you have a chance of making 7kwhile sitting at home if you didn't work for that month. For that month they lost, 20 days is the break even point. Anything less than that they lose money. I was really skeptical when it happened however I make more with the new system. Weird and really hard to explain.


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Old 12-09-2016, 09:25 PM   #4007
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I just landed a new job. I think things are looking up. After two years of trying to run a pipe company and engineering consulting, I finally threw in the towel and went back to work for the man. There are some benefits. "the man" has better benefits, and if I have an off month, I don't starve to death. Good luck to everyone. I think we're about to turn this corner.
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Old 12-09-2016, 09:25 PM   #4008
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Oh, I should have explained that a little more, they pay a standby rate while at the house. So if you don't work they pay a fixed rate an hour. So basically That fixed rate is for 15mins while at the house. Comes out way more than the original salary rate. The hourly rate is the same, while at work they give you a fixed day rate which is higher than standby rate, but once you get over 40 hrs overtime is kicked in. The way they fixed it up you make the same or more than the original day rate stuff. An example, you have a chance of making 7kwhile sitting at home if you didn't work for that month. For that month they lost, 20 days is the break even point. Anything less than that they lose money. I was really skeptical when it happened however I make more with the new system. Weird and really hard to explain.
No I get it. There are a few paying guaranteed hours whether at work or not to cover lost salaries. Basically the same as salary plus day rates. That's not a bad system but many went straight to hourly only when working and that would be a killer cut
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Old 12-09-2016, 09:28 PM   #4009
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KR...what's this camero you speak of??
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Old 12-09-2016, 09:30 PM   #4010
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Yeah, in the Directional field and I'm sure you know BP as being a DD haha, if you don't pay your hands they are gone. And when they leave they take the work with them. It was a pretty smart thing that our company did. Especially for guys like me that are scared of going contract and having to worry about taxes and etc. however, I'm to the point now where I may go contract after the year.
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Old 12-09-2016, 09:35 PM   #4011
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I'll let the owner of said rig decide to share or not!!!! He's a regular here in this thread!


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Old 12-09-2016, 09:40 PM   #4012
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Yeah, in the Directional field and I'm sure you know BP as being a DD haha, if you don't pay your hands they are gone. And when they leave they take the work with them. It was a pretty smart thing that our company did. Especially for guys like me that are scared of going contract and having to worry about taxes and etc. however, I'm to the point now where I may go contract after the year.
Yep my work is my work

I'm lucky where I am they also pay a huge amount of healthcare coverage for me and my family over $11k/yr so with that and salary I don't plan on making a move unless I'm really forced to
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Even knowing now I wouldn't change it. It makes the lawyers rich that's it. I agreed to my pay and the way it was structured before my first day. I just hope it doesn't cause all of us to go hourly because we will make less in the end


**** right. I agreed to what I sign for. I'm not gonna cry later. Also me and you won't get black balled.


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It's nothing doesn't exist
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Old 12-09-2016, 09:43 PM   #4015
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Lol guy told me "they can't legally hold it against us for rehire". Well if someone believes that will stop them I'll just let em believe it lol
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Lol guy told me "they can't legally hold it against us for rehire". Well if someone believes that will stop them I'll just let em believe it lol


Bwahahahahahahaha!!! they don't know how this game is played.


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Old 12-09-2016, 09:54 PM   #4018
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Wow! You just said that out loud!!!! I'll refrain form saying anymore!! Sometimes it would be nice for guys like you to have the burden of owning a company and see what actually it takes to make it! When things are good everyone is happy go lucky with their company! When things get tight us company owners are all sorry rich SOBs!

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I know what I said is bad, sounds bad, and looks bad. But the only reason we acted the way we did was the approach the company rolled this thing out to us. Our management didn't fight for us nor did they even tell us what was happening. We had meetings and asked about it but no one gave us the time. They kept all info from us and left us in the dark. It made it really hard to stay positive and focused on work. Yes we would still do our job but we wouldn't jump like we used to.
I know a few things about business, not being an owner but growing up in a family business. I've seen a lot of good and bad things occur in the company until the day my grandfather sold it. So to say"guys like you" I understand, but you have to be where we were at at the time to really understand our actions. No one was written or fired, I actually have been promoted up the ladder since moving to hourly months ago. Reading your comments on this thread and others, you seem like a good guy and boss. I'm sure you would at least give your guys a heads up when something major is about to happen to them financially. Instead of us getting a blanket letter in the mail and then running from your guys when they have questions and concerns about what happened.

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Old 12-09-2016, 10:00 PM   #4020
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Whoaaaaa. That is gorgeous!! Yours?
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Man even on here MWD'S get no respect
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Just want things to pick back up to how they were. Miss the patch


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Lol most do I have several buddies that do it and I usually get to keep them with me
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Even knowing now I wouldn't change it. It makes the lawyers rich that's it. I agreed to my pay and the way it was structured before my first day. I just hope it doesn't cause all of us to go hourly because we will make less in the end
This.

Anyone working a day rate knew what they were getting into and they agreed. The few dd's we have working for us that are still employees are getting paid hourly. They don't like it at all. One more thing to blame mwd hands for. Like they didn't make enough money watching movies instead of their tool the whole time your sliding. Anyone who got in on that lawsuit should have a hard time looking themselves in the mirror. You agreed to a day rate and later had a problem with it. What about all the days you sat around and did nothing but the company still paid your day rate.
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Anyone working a day rate knew what they were getting into and they agreed. The few dd's we have working for us that are still employees are getting paid hourly. They don't like it at all. One more thing to blame mwd hands for. Like they didn't make enough money watching movies instead of their tool the whole time your sliding. Anyone who got in on that lawsuit should have a hard time looking themselves in the mirror. You agreed to a day rate and later had a problem with it. What about all the days you sat around and did nothing but the company still paid your day rate.


And they should have to disclose it on their resume and/or application!


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I wouldn't hire anyone that was in on that law suit. The oil field ain't for them. I hear wal-mart pays hourly.
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Not a chance! Too many good people out there looking for work!


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From what I've heard some companies really did screw guys over by adjusting pay periods and even just not paying over certain amounts of overtime though. Those guys deserve their pay as they were already hourly
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Should we still have to disclose it even if were salaried employees that made a job bonus. We weren't on day rates or anything of that nature. My company offered the "pay off" to all of us in my line of work, even the managers/supervisors. It came as a surprise to all of us and we were instructed it would be good if we took it. Def wasn't much more than one months pay.

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Old 12-09-2016, 10:32 PM   #4034
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From what I've heard some companies really did screw guys over by adjusting pay periods and even just not paying over certain amounts of overtime though. Those guys deserve their pay as they were already hourly
Hourly pay is different but all the paper work i got in the mail was for day rate hands. There is no overtime for day rate. I know you know that being a dd yourself.

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Fortunately, I missed out on the pay/lawsuit fiasco, but have wondered how much those guys got payed that were on the sliding pay scale. I never really understood it but turned down 2 jobs because it just seemed like a very dishonest pay system.
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I'm sure those things happened and I'm sure there's another side to those stories as well! I've been behind on payroll a few times! Sucks for everyone and we hated to be in that position! This is a tough business and will humble the toughest SOB out there!

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Should we still have to disclose it even if were salaried employees that made a job bonus. We weren't on day rates or anything of that nature. My company offered the "pay off" to all of us in my line of work, even the managers/supervisors. It came as a surprise to all of us and we were instructed it would be good if we took it. Def wasn't much more than one months pay.

I'm sure there are exceptions to the situation. I don't know your deal I was just basing my feelings based on your comments about dragging arse not doing your job trying to get fired or laid off! Not cool no matter what the situation and makes you no different than the company you speak of not giving you notice IMO... I'm sure you are a great guy but those comments struck me wrong as a business owner in this industry.


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I'm sure those things happened and I'm sure there's another side to those stories as well! I've been behind on payroll a few times! Sucks for everyone and we hated to be in that position! This is a tough business and will humble the toughest SOB out there!




I'm sure there are exceptions to the situation. I don't know your deal I was just basing my feelings based on your comments about dragging arse not doing your job trying to get fired or laid off! Not cool no matter what the situation and makes you no different than the company you speak of not giving you notice IMO... I'm sure you are a great guy but those comments struck me wrong as a business owner in this industry.


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Yea I msure there are too. I can say that not one of the guys I work with would ever sue the company for some BS like that. Well maybe 1 guy but he's full of crap. None the less, I see how these type things can ruin a company. Especially the smaller ones. I figured my comments would not come off well but it's the truth. I got no problem being honest. I've had discussion with my superiors about how ****** off I was and everyone else. All they could of was say I know. It didn't make much crap to them bc they didn't get affected like us but it was just a hard pill to swallow. Now I can sit here and say I'm glad I finally got over it and realized there's more to it then just sulking. Some guys haven't and never will. Man I feel for anybody that owns a business in this industry. I don't think I could. It's volatile and there's so many bad apples out there that are just in it to screw you over. I see more and more of it now that I'm up the ladder a little bit. I got peesed off everyday about something bc of someone else. If I were the owner I'd probably lose my marbles. More power to ya bud for hanging I there.

I hope this thing turns around soon and everybody can get back to working.
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Yea I msure there are too. I can say that not one of the guys I work with would ever sue the company for some BS like that. Well maybe 1 guy but he's full of crap. None the less, I see how these type things can ruin a company. Especially the smaller ones. I figured my comments would not come off well but it's the truth. I got no problem being honest. I've had discussion with my superiors about how ****** off I was and everyone else. All they could of was say I know. It didn't make much crap to them bc they didn't get affected like us but it was just a hard pill to swallow. Now I can sit here and say I'm glad I finally got over it and realized there's more to it then just sulking. Some guys haven't and never will. Man I feel for anybody that owns a business in this industry. I don't think I could. It's volatile and there's so many bad apples out there that are just in it to screw you over. I see more and more of it now that I'm up the ladder a little bit. I got peesed off everyday about something bc of someone else. If I were the owner I'd probably lose my marbles. More power to ya bud for hanging I there.

I hope this thing turns around soon and everybody can get back to working.
Amen! I work in the lawn and landscape field, and have people try to file for injuries all the time, and it's the guys that I train, and they do the bare minimum, but don't excel, and then get "injured," before you fire them.
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Old 12-10-2016, 07:47 AM   #4039
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Times have got a little slow but not bad
Nice...is that a 67??


I'm looking at a bit more modern one myself...
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Nice...is that a 67??


I'm looking at a bit more modern one myself...
'68


Eventually it will have the modern power plant in it though.
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Old 12-10-2016, 08:28 AM   #4041
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Nice...pretty excited about owning my first real muscle car.

Let's hope 2017 pans out like expected!!
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Old 12-10-2016, 12:07 PM   #4042
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'67 Camaro has vent windows.
'68-'69 does not.
'69 has three fake louvres in front of rear fender well.

There are other differences (tailights, etc) but that is the easiest for most folks to spot.
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Old 12-10-2016, 01:12 PM   #4043
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69 has different body lines.
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Old 12-10-2016, 01:18 PM   #4044
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2017 has a 10 speed automatic & 650HP/650 Torque...


There was an article not long ago of a 69 ZL1 that sold for $1mm...crazy

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Old 12-10-2016, 02:22 PM   #4045
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I work for a directional company that started going hourly in the Spring of 14. I was a coordinator then and it was pretty brutal explaining to these guys that their day rate and salary was a thing of the past. Even our lowest paid guys were guaranteed $2600 dollars a month, even if they never stepped foot on a rig for that month. You have to work alot of hours just to make up for what you used to be guaranteed.(Especially when you start talking about senior guys that had pretty decent guaranteed salaries). Now if you don't work any in a 2 week pay period you actually "owe" the company money for covering your insurance premiums.

I did not participate in the lawsuit we had because I didn't think it was right. I knew what I signed up for when I first signed on and was perfectly fine with the day rate system. Now that I'm back in the field I definitely miss the good ol' days of day rate, salary and truck allowance.

However the timing for these directional companies having these law suits come up could not have been any worse. Of course these labor law lawsuits started popping up right when the down turn was really kicking in. You have guys that just lost their job,are struggling to make ends meet and fighting to find a decent paying job to just stay afloat. Well they go out to their mailbox one day and here is a letter stating they are due unpaid overtime and backpay........ Do the math and you'll see why lots of guys jumped on board.

It's a bad deal anyway you look at it. I sure am glad I was able to stay working through it all. We are actually short handed right now so it looks like it's turning around fellas'
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Old 12-12-2016, 06:41 AM   #4046
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Yep! We're going hourly in January. It's bull crap!
We have already gone hourly.
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Old 01-09-2017, 04:19 PM   #4047
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How is it looking out there? We are looking at a serious rough patch here here I work. Was really hoping things would start turning around quick.
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Old 01-09-2017, 04:33 PM   #4048
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My product line is going strong and we have added several new customers with several waiting to kick off the new year. Gonna be good as long as my guys want to work and I can hire a couple people.
Unfortunately did get work today WFT is laying off 5k world wide, 2k of which are domestic. 1200 are Frac employees and the other 800 no one knows yet. So gonna be some long worrisome days ahead for a while.
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Old 01-09-2017, 04:35 PM   #4049
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I quit my oil field job right before Christmas and landed a job with the same pay where I am home every night. I will miss the oilfield, but I won't miss it too terribly bad. I figured if I didn't get out while it was slow I was never going to get out.
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Old 01-09-2017, 06:06 PM   #4050
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We have already gone hourly.
Yay! Just found out we're not doing hourly anyway. Sweet!
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