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Old 01-09-2017, 09:57 PM   #1
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Here's the deal. I have a short action 700 that I bought as a future project. Was originally planning on a 7mm-08 AI. However my stepdad had purchased a 30 caliber Hart barrel in a Shilen #4 contour that he said I could have as he was not going to use it any time soon. So short action 30 caliber is what I'm looking at. I already have a 308 so don't want to go that route. I'm looking at the 300 WSM. My end goal would be an all purpose hunting rifle so weight is a factor. Goal of under 9lbs. I've been considering 24" with brake, but also been doing research on 22" with brake. I would like to push a 165-180g bullet in the 2900 FPS range. I want a rifle to handle whitetail, elk, pronghorn, mule deer etc. I have a custom built 7mm that I went overboard and ended up at 12lbs so I want something more conducive to carrying around a mountain and such

Remember short action and 30 cal is what it's got to be as that's what I have to work with.

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Old 01-09-2017, 10:24 PM   #2
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i have the savage weather warrior in 300wsm. Love it. Use it here in Texas and hunt elk with it in Colorado.
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I have a Browning A-Bolt in .300 WSM that I really like. I've killed a carload of deer and one elk with it. A little too much gun for antelope and small deer, but if I had to own only one rifle for deer to elk, that would be it......maybe. I love my .280 also
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What is yalls current barrel length


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Me too, cause I've got a 270 WSM and recoil on it is stupid.
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Me too, cause I've got a 270 WSM and recoil on it is stupid.


My dads shoots a 270 WSM and I've shot it plenty. Recoil isn't that bad


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Old 01-09-2017, 10:48 PM   #8
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I've read that the Winchester actions are a little longer and that the Remington Short Actions can have issues feeding from the magazine. I have considered a 300 SAUM as well. Since its a Remington based cartridge would it be more reliable regarding feeding from magazine than a WSM? I know the COL is shorter but not by much.


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I've read that the Winchester actions are a little longer and that the Remington Short Actions can have issues feeding from the magazine. I have considered a 300 SAUM as well. Since its a Remington based cartridge would it be more reliable regarding feeding from magazine than a WSM? I know the COL is shorter but not by much.


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Can't speak for the others but my dads wsm works flawlessly. It's proven itself time and time again with no hiccups at all.


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Unless you open the bolt face, the WSM (.540") cartridge won't work with the current (.473") bolt
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Old 01-09-2017, 11:03 PM   #11
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I have a custom built on a 700 action. Custom bolt and barrel. It has been lighting on everything I've shot with it. I handload mine. Only down side is brass is hard to come by except for the expensive stuff.
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Old 01-09-2017, 11:04 PM   #12
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Unless you open the bolt face, the WSM (.540") cartridge won't work with the current (.473") bolt


Been meaning to ask, where did you get all your knowledge about rifles and building rifles? You definitely know more than the average shooter.


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It's not when shooting at a deer, but it's not something just to go out killing paper. I will admit, I'm a **** when it comes to that. I shoot more comfortable guns and kill just a good with them. But it's kept away if I ever need it for anything the 243 may just be a little small for. But I may pull the .264 at that time.

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You ain't seen his gun collection then. I've only seen pictures of his he posts but Blake's got some nice guns
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It's not when shooting at a deer, but it's not something just to go out killing paper. I will admit, I'm a **** when it comes to that. I shoot more comfortable guns and kill just a good with them. But it's kept away if I ever need it for anything the 243 may just be a little small for. But I may pull the .264 at that time.







You ain't seen his gun collection then. I've only seen pictures of his he posts but Blake's got some nice guns


I got ya, probably would shoot something different if I was a target shooter. I've seen a couple he's posted up here but haven't seen em all.


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@ Jmsck .... 3 decades of building, shooting, and consulting on custom rifles ; specifically the Remington 700
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Old 01-10-2017, 06:58 AM   #16
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ive had my Winchester coyote in 300 wsm since about 2004. its taken tons of whitetails, several red stag and elk and it was great on nilgai. recoil is less than a 300 wm but I think it preforms very close to the win mag. I started shooting 150 gr silver tips when I first got it. now all I use for it are TTSX Barnes. they are wicked nasty on whitetials and larger animals. i picked up a Winchester Laredo last year that became my go to gun for this year.
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Old 01-10-2017, 07:05 AM   #17
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I have a Savage 300wsm.

Kicks like a mule...but very effective on big game. I used mine on a mulie hunt and an elk hunt. Its not my "go-to" whitetail gun because i hunt East Texas. I shoot 180 grain pills out of it.

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Old 01-10-2017, 08:40 AM   #18
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Unless you open the bolt face, the WSM (.540") cartridge won't work with the current (.473") bolt


Yeah was either going to do that or swap the bolt for a PTG with a Magnum bolt face.

CB do you know if the WSM will have issues feeding from a short action mag?


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The feed rails will have to opened as well. I hear they become tricky to feed and may require a Wyatt's extended magazine which has adjustable ears on the top making it a center feed mag.

The new Curtis Custom detachable mag that APR is using might be a benefit as well.

Like has been said above, the bolt will have to opened as well.

For your intended purpose, I believe you're on the right track.
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CB do you know if the WSM will have issues feeding from a short action mag?


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you're gonna spend $500 on the bolt and metal work .... just sell your action/rifle and buy a Remington 700 SPS in 270 WSM and rob the action for your donor

http://www.gunbroker.com/item/611823564
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http://www.gunbroker.com/item/611823564
That's the exact gun I have. I did have issues with it early on with firing a round and not being able to get the bolt turned and eject the shell. It only happened for a little while, come to think of it I don't remember having issues with it during the first round of shooting it breaking it in, and after it stopped I never have another issue with it. Always wondered if it was the ammo causing the issue.
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Old 01-10-2017, 05:23 PM   #22
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i built my 300 wsm savage with a shilen heavy sporter. shoots great
I can hit a gong at 1200 yds and shot my elk at just over 500, so I am happy with it. hornady amax 178gr loves it
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Old 01-10-2017, 05:32 PM   #23
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I have the Winchester with blind magazines or about 10 years and haven't reloaded for it yet, but those Winchester black silvertips are awesome. They touch at 100 and shoot 1 1/2 -2 at 300. Plan is to reload for it this spring, take it to ranch and stretch out to 5 and 600. Recoil is not as bad as 06, Winchester claims the stock design reduces recoil. My 2 cents, love the gun and caliber.
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Thanks for the info. Probably just going to have the GS open up the bolt face and install a sako extractor. Probably going to go 23" barrel plus muzzle break. Going to keep it in the SPS stick right now and bed the action and reinforce the forearm of needed. I've been wanting to try the enamel spray paint dip so this would be a good stock to try it on. Will upgrade later on to a MCM or Manners but just going to focus on getting the rifle built and functional before spending more money on other things.


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My ruger 7 wsm is my favorite rifle in the safe, but it also has the most recoil
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Here's the deal. I have a short action 700 that I bought as a future project. Was originally planning on a 7mm-08 AI. However my stepdad had purchased a 30 caliber Hart barrel in a Shilen #4 contour that he said I could have as he was not going to use it any time soon. So short action 30 caliber is what I'm looking at. I already have a 308 so don't want to go that route. I'm looking at the 300 WSM. My end goal would be an all purpose hunting rifle so weight is a factor. Goal of under 9lbs. I've been considering 24" with brake, but also been doing research on 22" with brake. I would like to push a 165-180g bullet in the 2900 FPS range. I want a rifle to handle whitetail, elk, pronghorn, mule deer etc. I have a custom built 7mm that I went overboard and ended up at 12lbs so I want something more conducive to carrying around a mountain and such

Remember short action and 30 cal is what it's got to be as that's what I have to work with.

So tell me what you think?


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I love my .300 short. I am shooting the 165 grain TTSX and have had great success.
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Good thread. I'm on the fence with what I want to do with my own mint condition blued SA Rem 700 in 243. (Before the obvious is recommended, I already have a 6mm that's one of my favorites)

Was think 7-08 at one time, now I'm leaning to 264 Win Mag. Just can't get off center on what to do so I'll continue reading threads like this.
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Good thread. I'm on the fence with what I want to do with my own mint condition blued SA Rem 700 in 243. (Before the obvious is recommended, I already have a 6mm that's one of my favorites)



Was think 7-08 at one time, now I'm leaning to 264 Win Mag. Just can't get off center on what to do so I'll continue reading threads like this.


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Thanks for the info. Probably just going to have the GS open up the bolt face and install a sako extractor. Probably going to go 23" barrel plus muzzle break. Going to keep it in the SPS stick right now and bed the action and reinforce the forearm of needed. I've been wanting to try the enamel spray paint dip so this would be a good stock to try it on. Will upgrade later on to a MCM or Manners but just going to focus on getting the rifle built and functional before spending more money on other things.
facts and figures to ponder ; you make the decision

Option A
$175 - open bolt face, install Sako extractor
$125 - modification of feed rails, feed ramp, and current magazine to insure reliable feeding
$150 - glass bedding and stock work

$450 invested on action and current stock


Option B
Sell current rifle for $400
$500 - purchase a dedicated WSM rifle
Sell barrel, trigger, and stock for $100
- basically it's a wash ... $0 for the action you need


$250 - purchase used, like new HS Precision stock
$150 - true and blueprint action
$ 35 - surface ground, oversize recoil lug
$125 - Timney trigger*

$450 invested on trued WSM action and HS stock ; $575 w/ Timney trigger upgrade*

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facts and figures to ponder ; you make the decision

Option A
$175 - open bolt face, install Sako extractor
$125 - modification of feed rails, feed ramp, and current magazine to insure reliable feeding
$150 - glass bedding and stock work

$450 invested on action and current stock


Option B
Sell current rifle for $400
$500 - purchase a dedicated WSM rifle
Sell barrel, trigger, and stock for $100
- basically it's a wash ... $0 for the action you need


$250 - purchase used, like new HS Precision stock
$150 - true and blueprint action
$ 35 - surface ground, oversize recoil lug
$125 - Timney trigger*

$450 invested on trued WSM action and HS stock ; $575 w/ Timney trigger upgrade*


Thanks for the breakdown. I'll definitely look into your info as it does make a lot of sense.


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Yes Sir. I would have to sell my existing SA and pursue a LA. Thanks.
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Yes Sir. I would have to sell my existing SA and pursue a LA. Thanks.


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If you ever make to the Metromess (DFW), I have a Model 7 in 300SAUM with a 22" barrel and sitting in a B&C stock that i will let you take for a test drive.

Like others have said the recoil is stiff on factory rifles, but since I have a installed a brake and upgraded the factory stock the rife is much less punishing to shoot.

As far as knockdown power goes I have no issue taking anything in North America with the exception of bear possibly.
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If you ever make to the Metromess (DFW), I have a Model 7 in 300SAUM with a 22" barrel and sitting in a B&C stock that i will let you take for a test drive.



Like others have said the recoil is stiff on factory rifles, but since I have a installed a brake and upgraded the factory stock the rife is much less punishing to shoot.



As far as knockdown power goes I have no issue taking anything in North America with the exception of bear possibly.


Thanks for the offer, but I try to avoid that area if all possible...lol


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Or might consider an additional 22-250 build if I kept it. Still can't shake that visual of your black & stainless 22-250 to use as a concept. My compliments.
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Or might consider an additional 22-250 build if I kept it. Still can't shake that visual of your black & stainless 22-250 to use as a concept. My compliments.


It's not stainless. It a Titanium Gray Cerecote.


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It's not stainless. It a Titanium Gray Cerecote.

another option for metal finishing is "electress nickle"

rifle pictured below is a 1966 blued Rem 40x action that was sent to Metalloy in Berryville, AR for a satin nickle finish. Chambered in 17 Little Nasty which is a cartridge I created and named

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I love my Tikka 300wsm. I have the T3 light so it does pack a bit of punch, but I put a limbsaver recoil pad on and that helped a bunch.
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I'd do a .30/284 on a short 700 action if I had to go bigger than.308, and thought I needed a .30 caliber
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rifle pictured below is a 1966 blued Rem 40x action that was sent to Metalloy in Berryville, AR for a satin nickle finish. Chambered in 17 Little Nasty which is a cartridge I created and named

All I'm thinking is "Wow". It goes without saying that you are experienced and talented.
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another option for metal finishing is "electress nickle"

rifle pictured below is a 1966 blued Rem 40x action that was sent to Metalloy in Berryville, AR for a satin nickle finish. Chambered in 17 Little Nasty which is a cartridge I created and named

Wow. That is beautiful.
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Old 01-13-2017, 11:06 AM   #45
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All I'm thinking is "Wow". It goes without saying that you are experienced and talented.
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Wow. That is beautiful.

17 Little Nasty - rifle #2




this pic has been posted many times before .... 3 shot groups during load workup




apologies to the OP for my off-track posts on my rifles above ; which is a whole different topic

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17 Little Nasty - rifle #2









this pic has been posted many times before .... 3 shot groups during load workup









apologies to the OP for my off-track posts on my rifles above ; which is a whole different topic


You got a thread on these little nasties?


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