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Old 09-18-2017, 04:07 PM   #1
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I really don't know what to think about this?
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Old 09-18-2017, 04:26 PM   #2
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Might be a good read. But i don't want to subscribe
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Old 09-18-2017, 04:27 PM   #3
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They need to poison them only way well ever get ahold of them
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I read the article and I still think that poisoning pigs will be a big waste of time and money. I think pigs are so smart that they will learn not to eat the poison bait. Sure you might kill a bunch at first but over time the poison bait will be less and less effective. They also mentioned that the poison will be encapsulated in the the bait so the hogs wont know they are eating poison. Well if there is one thing I know, it's pigs have the best noses around or at least know how to use them the best. I wouldn't be surprised if the pigs figure out how to smell the poisoned bait from good bait.
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Old 09-18-2017, 05:05 PM   #7
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I'm not ok with poisoning. Sooner or later that poison makes its way inter a lot of other animals systems.
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Old 09-18-2017, 05:12 PM   #8
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I'm not ok with poisoning. Sooner or later that poison makes its way inter a lot of other animals systems.


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Old 09-18-2017, 05:17 PM   #9
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Are they gonna put a big sign up too? "HOGS ONLY"? That way the other animals don't eat it.
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dont like the idea of poisoning but what are the other options?
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Old 09-18-2017, 05:45 PM   #11
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dont like the idea of poisoning but what are the other options?


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Old 09-18-2017, 05:56 PM   #12
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Everyone hates hogs until solutions are put on the table to test...
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Old 09-18-2017, 06:02 PM   #13
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is it just my computer or is it only pulling up a single paragraph?
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Old 09-18-2017, 06:09 PM   #14
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Sport hunting will never control the hog population. The state dropped the ball on this one years ago and now landowners are reaping the "rewards". My friend and myself kill every hog we see during deer season, we night hunt them over corn, and every time I'm down there I slip around in the golf cart and kill one every now and then. Ain't made a dent in them trapping and shooting. I don't know what the answer is, but ARs and AKs ain't it ! One shot, one pig, and they're gone !
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Old 09-18-2017, 06:24 PM   #15
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Sport hunting will never control the hog population. The state dropped the ball on this one years ago and now landowners are reaping the "rewards". My friend and myself kill every hog we see during deer season, we night hunt them over corn, and every time I'm down there I slip around in the golf cart and kill one every now and then. Ain't made a dent in them trapping and shooting. I don't know what the answer is, but ARs and AKs ain't it ! One shot, one pig, and they're gone !
Truer words have never been spoken. Hunting and Trapping is never going to control the pig population.
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Old 09-18-2017, 06:51 PM   #16
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Sport hunting will never control the hog population. The state dropped the ball on this one years ago and now landowners are reaping the "rewards". My friend and myself kill every hog we see during deer season, we night hunt them over corn, and every time I'm down there I slip around in the golf cart and kill one every now and then. Ain't made a dent in them trapping and shooting. I don't know what the answer is, but ARs and AKs ain't it ! One shot, one pig, and they're gone !


I have killed my share too. I will argue that mankind has shown and proven with prejudice that it can wipe out any animal on this planet in a short amount of time as sad as this is. Ex: Buffaloes, if not for management would be extinct. Musk Ox, hunted to almost extinction until managed. Passenger Pigeons was the most abundant bird in the world until it was hunted to extinction by the 20th century. Used to fly across our skies in flocks of billions. Tasmanian devil are extinct because of protecting livestock. Caspian Tigers! The list is long and sad but is very possible.


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Old 09-18-2017, 07:46 PM   #17
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I have killed my share too. I will argue that mankind has shown and proven with prejudice that it can wipe out any animal on this planet in a short amount of time as sad as this is. Ex: Buffaloes, if not for management would be extinct. Musk Ox, hunted to almost extinction until managed. Passenger Pigeons was the most abundant bird in the world until it was hunted to extinction by the 20th century. Used to fly across our skies in flocks of billions. Tasmanian devil are extinct because of protecting livestock. Caspian Tigers! The list is long and sad but is very possible.


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To my knowledge, none of the animals you mentioned had 2.5 litters per year of 6 to ten babies. That's the difference.
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Old 09-18-2017, 07:52 PM   #18
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Still not an effective option, I'm not for poisoning but that won't work either, on our place you could go out on a weekend and shoot 100 each night and not put a dent in it
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Need to figure out how to feed themsomething that sterilize both sexes, they eventually die out
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Old 09-18-2017, 08:58 PM   #20
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As a hunter-gatherer*enjoying food obtained by foraging (collecting wild plants and pursuing wild animals) regardless of some being a nuisance, I don't want to stop eating delicious lean pork. It's disturbing worrying that landowners around me are feeding poison. I doubt a pig that eats poison across a property line will die instantly and can easily walk out in front of me. With the poison potential, it will make me less interested in shooting any if I am not feeling it's safe to eat.

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As a hunter-gatherer*enjoying food obtained by foraging (collecting wild plants and pursuing wild animals) regardless of some being a nuisance, I don't want to stop eating delicious lean pork. It's disturbing worrying that landowners around me are feeding poison. I doubt a pig that eats poison across a property line will die instantly and can easily walk out in front of me. With the poison potential, it will make me less interested in shooting any if I am not feeling it's safe to eat.

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Do you eat bacon?
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Old 09-18-2017, 10:20 PM   #22
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Do you eat bacon?
As much as possible. Should I be concerned its being poisoned? ? I know many people just shoot pigs and let them feed the buzzards and coyote, but I like making breakfast pan sausage out of them... I actually mix 80/20 bacon... best pan sausage.That's why having people poisoning free range pork sucks in my opinion and think it's a shame this is the route it's going, I wouldn't vote for that.

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Old 09-19-2017, 08:40 AM   #23
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As much as possible. Should I be concerned its being poisoned? ? I know many people just shoot pigs and let them feed the buzzards and coyote, but I like making breakfast pan sausage out of them... I actually mix 80/20 bacon... best pan sausage.That's why having people poisoning free range pork sucks in my opinion and think it's a shame this is the route it's going, I wouldn't vote for that.

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The poison being discussed is the same poison being used to cure bacon and ham.
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Old 09-19-2017, 09:25 AM   #24
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To my knowledge, none of the animals you mentioned had 2.5 litters per year of 6 to ten babies. That's the difference.
This........ you can't shoot them fast enough. The best thing you can do is out a bunch of pressure on them and pray they move to the next property.
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Old 09-19-2017, 09:28 AM   #25
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Everyone hates hogs until solutions are put on the table to test...
Agreed. Pro's and con's to everything. I would like to read more about it for sure.
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Old 09-19-2017, 09:31 AM   #26
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I have killed 13 since the 1st, and had a group of about 20 in my pasture last night. I could hear at least 3 different group in different directions. I kill A LOT of pigs, and cant tell if I am even making a dent. WE NEED POISON!!!!!!
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Old 09-19-2017, 09:50 AM   #27
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I used to run hog dogs 2-3 times a week. We also ran about 40 traps and shot any hog on site. probably killed/trapped well over 500 every year. Farmers still had to hire helicopters and still cant keep up with them. So no hunting, trapping and dogin is not going to work.

This poison may work. I need to read up on it a little more. Looks like its is just Salt peter, which is in a lot of sausages and hams. I think one of the better points on this poison is that, if a hog doesn't get a lethal dose it basically metabolizes and goes away.
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Old 09-19-2017, 01:54 PM   #28
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Just a thought....If I ever lease my land for pig hunting it will be upfront $750/hunter and a $15 rebate for every dead hog regardless of size. I would hope every hunter hunted for free by the end of the year...
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Old 09-21-2017, 11:27 AM   #29
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I think that the trap Casey made is an answer for individual properties. Building a pen large enough to capture 10-30 at one time starts putting a hurt on the local population quick. And they really never become trap shy because you leave it open until you start getting enough of the group coming in. I have a group of 14 coming in regularly behind my house everyday. I haven't built the trap/pen yet, but I have full confidence I can have all 14 caught with in the week. When the next batch migrates through, do it again. And all the while, it serves as a regular pen for deer, jumping in and out at will. These little 8ftX4ft hog traps that everyone is selling for $400+, catching one or two at a time and making all the pigs trap shy is not the answer for eradication. Catching entire sounders at one time, now that's making progress.
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The one issue I have with poison is... let's say 20 to 30 hogs feed on the poison, leave to a creek bottom water source and all die and rot in the water... wouldn't that spoil the area with so many rotten pigs?

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Old 09-21-2017, 12:34 PM   #31
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I'm all for poison as long as its not detrimental to other wildlife. Something has to be done. I for one am tired of repairing the damage they cause to my pastures. Then you look at pics floating around the net with fawns in their chompers, ****** me off even more!
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The one issue I have with poison is... let's say 20 to 30 hogs feed on the poison, leave to a creek bottom water source and all die and rot in the water... wouldn't that spoil the area with so many rotten pigs?

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What is the difference of 30 hogs laying in & pooping/slobbering in water every day of the year?
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What is the difference of 30 hogs laying in & pooping/slobbering in water every day of the year?
Good point.

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I think that the trap Casey made is an answer for individual properties. Building a pen large enough to capture 10-30 at one time starts putting a hurt on the local population quick. And they really never become trap shy because you leave it open until you start getting enough of the group coming in. I have a group of 14 coming in regularly behind my house everyday. I haven't built the trap/pen yet, but I have full confidence I can have all 14 caught with in the week. When the next batch migrates through, do it again. And all the while, it serves as a regular pen for deer, jumping in and out at will. These little 8ftX4ft hog traps that everyone is selling for $400+, catching one or two at a time and making all the pigs trap shy is not the answer for eradication. Catching entire sounders at one time, now that's making progress.
Traps work okay when it is hot and dry. Your not going to wipe out one sounder after another with a trap, no matter how big it is. Boar Buster maybe, but there won't be enough of them set at $8000/trap.
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That scares me more than poisoning.

This poison they are testing is sodium nitrite, which is a preservative in sausage and jerky. Toxic to hogs, safe to everything else.
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Traps work okay when it is hot and dry. Your not going to wipe out one sounder after another with a trap, no matter how big it is. Boar Buster maybe, but there won't be enough of them set at $8000/trap.
Maybe the state will buy a thousand boar busters and put together a hundred teams of trained assassins to travel around the state trapping them? Make it mandatory for all landowners to allow access? Just an idea.
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JeffK,
As stated above, it's a pen, that doubles as a trap. Have you ever built a multi-panel pen, let's say, 6- 10 panel round, opened one panel in the off season to let the hogs come in? In doing this, I have gotten pics of up to 30 pigs inside of the pen eating corn. Now you design the same pen to have a way in but not a way out, check it daily, and it doesn't take the $8,000 Boar Buster to do it, just regular ole cattle panel with the hog bottoms and plenty of support. Look up Casey's thread titled "This just Happened. KAP." Not a trap, but a pen, and every hog I've ever met can't resist corn, get'm coming in with regularity and then close the panel.
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As stated above, it's a pen, that doubles as a trap. Have you ever built a multi-panel pen, let's say, 6- 10 panel round, opened one panel in the off season to let the hogs come in? In doing this, I have gotten pics of up to 30 pigs inside of the pen eating corn. Now you design the same pen to have a way in but not a way out, check it daily, and it doesn't take the $8,000 Boar Buster to do it, just regular ole cattle panel with the hog bottoms and plenty of support. Look up Casey's thread titled "This just Happened. KAP." Not a trap, but a pen, and every hog I've ever met can't resist corn, get'm coming in with regularity and then close the panel.
Yep, made one years ago with 10 bull panel, but shaped as a 9. Caught up to 28 with it at once, but haven't used it for a few years because deer and calves get in it more than hogs. Last year I baited when hogs were rooting right next to it. Had 3 to 4 nights straight with 10 or so pigs coming in while 3 sows just waiting on the outside then they just stopped coming. I have had better luck with bigger box traps now, because I can easily move them with the tractor to wherever the hog sign is at, but they only work when it is hot and dry and sows are run down from pigs. If hogs can get their nose in the ground, they can resist corn.
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As stated above, it's a pen, that doubles as a trap. Have you ever built a multi-panel pen, let's say, 6- 10 panel round, opened one panel in the off season to let the hogs come in? In doing this, I have gotten pics of up to 30 pigs inside of the pen eating corn. Now you design the same pen to have a way in but not a way out, check it daily, and it doesn't take the $8,000 Boar Buster to do it, just regular ole cattle panel with the hog bottoms and plenty of support. Look up Casey's thread titled "This just Happened. KAP." Not a trap, but a pen, and every hog I've ever met can't resist corn, get'm coming in with regularity and then close the panel.
Sure you will catch pigs but your not going to put a dent in them doing that way and hogs will learn to avoid traps like that. Heck, I have to remove 4-5 panels off my feed pens just to get the hogs to go in them and they are 12 16' panels. I tried removing just one or two panels but almost no hogs would go in.
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