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Old 11-14-2017, 03:33 PM   #1
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I'm trying to decide if the cost of a no till drill is worth the investment. I currently plant around 9 acres of oats for deer and my cattle. I do like the idea of no more disking before planting. I usually do some type of plot year round. Would like to hear some thought if the expense of no till drill is worth it. Also thinking with a no till I could do more winter pastures for my cows and cut the winter time feed bill drastically. Thanks for the input.
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Old 11-14-2017, 03:42 PM   #2
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Old 11-14-2017, 03:59 PM   #3
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I will tell you that if you think you will never have to disc again that is not true. The land will compact eventually and you will have to break it up, especially if you have cattle? Our area we have lots of mesquites and if you do they will take over. My guess is that about 2 to 3 yrs expect to have to deep plow it again.
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Old 11-14-2017, 04:08 PM   #4
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I always wanted a no till drill but after talking to people that have them they still disk every time so don't think it cost effective

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Old 11-14-2017, 04:14 PM   #5
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I always wanted a no till drill but after talking to people that have them they still disk every time so don't think it cost effective
Why do they say the have to disc every year?
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Old 11-14-2017, 04:20 PM   #6
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Why do they say the have to disc every year?
Our place the ground gets to compacted and the mesquites take over.
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Old 11-14-2017, 04:27 PM   #7
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well I guess it depend on your land we have black land they say it just don't work good with it but I think it all depend on time of rain and what no
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Old 11-14-2017, 04:28 PM   #8
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Rent it...

Very expensive to buy.
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Old 11-14-2017, 04:36 PM   #9
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Thanks for the responses. Did not realize you will still have to disk often. My thinking is I own a 70hp tractor and a 7' disk. It takes me a while to get the plots ready by making 2-3 passes. I don't think my tractor will handle a much bigger disk. So with out buying a new bigger tractor and a bigger disk I could buy a used no till for less money. I also do weed spray every year so the mesquites are taken care of.
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Old 11-14-2017, 05:12 PM   #10
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Thanks for the responses. Did not realize you will still have to disk often. My thinking is I own a 70hp tractor and a 7' disk. It takes me a while to get the plots ready by making 2-3 passes. I don't think my tractor will handle a much bigger disk. So with out buying a new bigger tractor and a bigger disk I could buy a used no till for less money. I also do weed spray every year so the mesquites are taken care of.
You shouldn't have to keep discing. If you put in the proper cover crops and build up the organic matter in the soil, compaction will eventually not be an issue. Using chemical to control weeds and mesquites is also key.
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You shouldn't have to keep discing. If you put in the proper cover crops and build up the organic matter in the soil, compaction will eventually not be an issue. Using chemical to control weeds and mesquites is also key.
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Old 11-15-2017, 09:36 AM   #12
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disking brings in new seeds, weeds, and bushes.

Disk as little as possible. That is the purpose of a grain drill, not to disk
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Old 11-15-2017, 09:39 AM   #13
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I havent disced in years. No till only . Extensive use of rotational planting works great for me. Never clean the table. Candidly don't use synthetic fertilizer anymore either. I find crop rotations and occasional chicken litter works just fine for all nutrient needs. My soil isn't good enough for commercial ag but plenty good enough for deer.
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Old 11-15-2017, 03:02 PM   #14
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You shouldn't have to keep discing. If you put in the proper cover crops and build up the organic matter in the soil, compaction will eventually not be an issue. Using chemical to control weeds and mesquites is also key.
this right here. if mesquite is taking over you aren't using the chemicals.

You got to have a sprayer that's a key ingredient to no till planting. Especially if the cover crop doesn't come up. Likely you'll have the worst problems with weeds and mesquite if your cover crop doesn't take over so you'll have to double down on torching it with chemicals.
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Old 11-15-2017, 03:49 PM   #15
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What type of cover crop do y'all suggest for spring and summer. Normally I plant cow peas, sun flowers, and millet.
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Old 11-15-2017, 04:19 PM   #16
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As mentioned, you can rent or have someone that already has the equipment to plant for you. You mentioned that your tractor may not be big enough for much more than your 7' disk. No-Tills are heavy so your tractor may not be big enough to pull it either.

Not sure why some have said that you will need to disk or plow in a few years. Planting brassicas (turnips, radishes, rape, etc) will penetrate the plow pan. I'd suggest looking at elgato's thread, A Year in the Life of a Farm and focus not on the deer but his cover crop operation and you'll learn a lot.

Do you want a pretty hay field or something for your wildlife and cattle? If its food for animals, why spray weeds? They are forage too and deer don't do well on grass alone. There are several seed companies out there, Douglass King, MBS, Green Cover and many more. I would plant as diverse of a crop as possible and as elgato has found out, the Fall cool-season cover crops give you more bang for your buck.

Call your local NRCS office and tell them what you want to do, it's free advice and if your lucky you can get into a contract and get paid to do some of it. They can run some numbers and give you suggestions on what to plant in about 5 minutes. We do it all the time in my office.
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Old 11-16-2017, 06:18 AM   #17
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Thanks for the info.
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