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Old 11-02-2017, 08:01 AM   #1
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Let me start by saying I have not gun hunted deer in many years. I have been invited to my company's corporate lease in Del Rio and they don't allow bow hunting so I need to break out the rifle. I don't have a hunting load for this gun and there is not enough time to work one up. So here is the gun
GA Precision Crusader
Caliber:
308 Win, (other calibers custom order)
Action:
G.A. Precision Templar® Short Action
Barrel Type:
Bartlein Stainless Steel 5R Rifling #7 G.A.P. Contour 1:11.25 Twist
Barrel Length:
23 inches (22 from front of lug)
Stock:
McMillan A5 in GAP camouflage with 1 stud and 4 flush cups
Trigger Guard:
Badger Ordnance M5 DBM with one 5rd magazine
Finish:
Mil Spec O.D. Cerakote

The ranch also won't allow any target type ammo I am currently using 178 gr A Max
So the closest thing I can find is Black Hills Gold 308 Win. 178Gr. ELD-X ammo
Any one used this?
I have been told to expect pretty long shots at this ranch not uncommon 350+ yard shots which is not a problem for this gun.
I generally shoot steel with this gun at 700 with no issues.
thanks in advance
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Old 11-02-2017, 08:20 AM   #2
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Sounds like an awesome rifle set up! Will you be hunting big body exotics or whitetail?

I'm a big fan of the federal premium gamekings but they are 165gr and POI will be fairly different than your 178gr Hornady. A range trip could get you dialed in with em, gamekings are proven over the years to be very effective, close and long range.
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Old 11-02-2017, 08:28 AM   #3
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Both whitetail and exotics.
This gun is not a fan of the 168 gr pills at distance I tried the 168 gr SMK
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Old 11-02-2017, 08:41 AM   #4
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Old 11-02-2017, 08:44 AM   #5
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with the 1:11.25 twist I would look at the 150gr.
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Old 11-02-2017, 08:47 AM   #6
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Here ya go. 175gr pills
http://www.cabelas.com/product/FEDER....uts?slotId=29
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https://www.midwayusa.com/product/15...bond-box-of-20

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Old 11-02-2017, 08:54 AM   #7
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The only light bullet i have ever found that would shoot out of this gun was the lapua 155gr scenar and it's a match target. This gun is very picky with bullet length/weight.
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Old 11-02-2017, 08:56 AM   #8
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Thank you I will see if my local gun shop has them.
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Old 11-02-2017, 09:04 AM   #9
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Thank you I will see if my local gun shop has them.
I think these may be loaded with Barnes bullets which are solid copper.
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Old 11-02-2017, 09:37 AM   #10
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I'd take a look at the Fusion 180gr. Easy to find
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Old 11-03-2017, 07:43 AM   #11
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I couldn't find the federal anywhere I looked all over the internet and no one has it yet.
So I ordered the black hills we will see if it is as accurate as the reviews say it is.
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Old 11-03-2017, 09:56 AM   #12
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I think these may be loaded with Barnes bullets which are solid copper.

Did you check the link?

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Federal Premium® Edge TLR™ Rifle Ammunition

True all-range hunting bullet
Copper shank and lead core retain weight
AccuChannel groove minimizes drag
Less wind drift and drop
I have gotten good accuracy with Federal ammo in the past, my only complaint with it as a reloader is brass longevity as the brass is usually quite soft and primer pockets often expand in a few rounds.
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Old 11-03-2017, 10:01 AM   #13
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Out of my 308, my furthest shot on a pig is 364 yards with 165gr Federal Fusions. Have not really needed to swap.
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Old 11-03-2017, 10:03 AM   #14
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Let me start by saying I have not gun hunted deer in many years. I have been invited to my company's corporate lease in Del Rio and they don't allow bow hunting so I need to break out the rifle. I don't have a hunting load for this gun and there is not enough time to work one up. So here is the gun
GA Precision Crusader
Caliber:
308 Win, (other calibers custom order)
Action:
G.A. Precision Templar® Short Action
Barrel Type:
Bartlein Stainless Steel 5R Rifling #7 G.A.P. Contour 1:11.25 Twist
Barrel Length:
23 inches (22 from front of lug)
Stock:
McMillan A5 in GAP camouflage with 1 stud and 4 flush cups
Trigger Guard:
Badger Ordnance M5 DBM with one 5rd magazine
Finish:
Mil Spec O.D. Cerakote

The ranch also won't allow any target type ammo I am currently using 178 gr A Max
So the closest thing I can find is Black Hills Gold 308 Win. 178Gr. ELD-X ammo
Any one used this?
I have been told to expect pretty long shots at this ranch not uncommon 350+ yard shots which is not a problem for this gun.
I generally shoot steel with this gun at 700 with no issues.
thanks in advance
Hornady Precision hunter 178 ELDX should be money in that gun since you already shoot the 178 AMAX (which has been discontinued and replaced with the ELDM/ELDX bullets).
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Old 11-03-2017, 10:07 AM   #15
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Did you check the link?



I have gotten good accuracy with Federal ammo in the past, my only complaint with it as a reloader is brass longevity as the brass is usually quite soft and primer pockets often expand in a few rounds.
yes cabelas was out of stock on the 308
midway said coming soon
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Old 11-03-2017, 10:10 AM   #16
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Hornady Precision hunter 178 ELDX should be money in that gun since you already shoot the 178 AMAX (which has been discontinued and replaced with the ELDM/ELDX bullets).
Never have had good luck with loaded hornady ammo for some reason. The black hills has the eld-x bullet loaded in it and black hills has a good reputation for being very consistent.
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Old 11-03-2017, 10:16 AM   #17
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Never have had good luck with loaded hornady ammo for some reason. The black hills has the eld-x bullet loaded in it and black hills has a good reputation for being very consistent.
No doubt Black Hills is quality. My factory 700 5R loved the Precision hunter and oddly enough the Hornady Black Ammo as well. I know a lot of people have had issues with the Hornady Superformance.
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Old 11-03-2017, 12:11 PM   #18
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I have a very similar rifle with the exact rate of twist in a Brux tube. Mine will shoot 178s but it is 1 to 1.25 MOA at best. It absolutely SHINES with the 165-175s as it should (0.158 MOA). I have never gone as low as the 150s but they may be outside the 1:11.25's purview.

I have a load for 165 Hornady SP that will shoot nickel-sized groups at 200 if you have the time to get to the range with it. I'd be happy to send it to you when I get home. It also happens to hit deer like a bolt of lightening.


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Old 11-03-2017, 12:23 PM   #19
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ive been shooting choice ammo for a while now and I am really happy with the offerings and prices. plus every round is handloaded.
https://choiceammunition.com/product...08-winchester/
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Old 11-03-2017, 07:31 PM   #20
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Those prices aren’t bad at all for hand loaded Ammo. Mass produced commercial is higher than that in most cases.


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Old 11-03-2017, 08:23 PM   #21
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Hornady Precision hunter 178 ELDX should be money in that gun since you already shoot the 178 AMAX (which has been discontinued and replaced with the ELDM/ELDX bullets).
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Never have had good luck with loaded hornady ammo for some reason. The black hills has the eld-x bullet loaded in it and black hills has a good reputation for being very consistent.
I've had mixed results through the years but will say my Savage likes this ammo really well and it's priced right. Most any Academy or that outdoors store on Buss. 59 should have it on hand, Victoria All Sports I believe...?

I'm headed to El Campo Sunday to shoot a ladder with the 168 ELD myself.
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Old 11-03-2017, 09:13 PM   #22
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Hornady Precision hunter 178 ELDX should be money in that gun since you already shoot the 178 AMAX (which has been discontinued and replaced with the ELDM/ELDX bullets).
This. Done.

Woah wait wow...

https://choiceammunition.com/product...0-hand-loaded/
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Old 11-04-2017, 09:43 AM   #23
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Man, with a rig like that you ought to be reloading. Look for the 178ELDX. If you haven’t tried Hornady ammo recently, maybe try again as they have improved with the recent influx of long range interest.
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Old 11-04-2017, 11:32 AM   #24
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180 gr Accubond
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Old 11-04-2017, 11:40 AM   #25
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The one that shoots.
VLDX is a great start.
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Old 11-04-2017, 05:04 PM   #26
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Those prices aren’t bad at all for hand loaded Ammo. Mass produced commercial is higher than that in most cases.


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Old 11-13-2017, 09:17 AM   #27
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Well yesterday I went out and shot the Black Hills they grouped a 1/2" left of my hand loads and they did very well at 100 yds, 3 shots right at 1/2" center to center not as good as my loads but very good for factory loads. I also shot 1 round at 500 yd steel plate and nailed it almost dead center. My range was a mess from Harvey only my 100 yd target remained UP. I will load some pics this evening if I remember.
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Old 11-13-2017, 09:30 AM   #28
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Which blackhills did you go with? I have basically the same rifle and it shoots the 175 FGMM really well. The Hornady precision hunter not quite as well.
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Old 11-13-2017, 11:03 AM   #29
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