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Old 04-04-2019, 06:58 AM   #1
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The legislature is trying to give teachers a pay raise for this coming year, but the bis being presented by the Senate and House are far apart. The Senate wants an across the board $5000 raise for teachers and librarians. The House is proposing less than $2000 across the board with most money going to the districts to dole out as they see fit (most teachers will not see any of that money given to the districts IMHO).

I know some on here will say we do not need a pay raise because of all the time we have off during the year (yea right!), but the pay raises we get from year to year are down right sorry. My pay raise this year was $200 as will next year's raise!!!!!!!!!!

Also, the Legislature is saying the average salary for a Texas school teacher is over $53,000 per year. In this district and we are not all that small, a teacher would have to teach 22 years to reach the $53,000 level, 22 YEARS!

I personally want the across the board $5000 raise and believe we have earned it and I firmly believe that any "extra" money given for raises to a district, we will never see a penny of that. While we get these whopping $200 raises each year on average, some at our Central office enjoyed a $5000 to $20,000 pay raise!

OK my rant is over as I have to get ready for the 16 kids in my unit that ALL have behaviors problems. Suprisingly, I have yet to be bloodied working with these kids YET! A big change from the previous 8 years where I was bloodied multiple times during the year.

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Old 04-04-2019, 07:01 AM   #2
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I say absolutely yes
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Old 04-04-2019, 07:06 AM   #3
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Teachers deserve more money across the board. I do believe some need to be brought up to a higher baseline, some small districts are $10-15k less than larger ones.
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Old 04-04-2019, 07:08 AM   #4
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Yes....I couldnt do that job....

My daughter teaches for Humble ISD, 5th grade....

From the stories she has told me about her first year, I would have yanked some of those kids up by their ears and probably be in jail......

These millennial parents absolutely suck....not all of course but overall
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Well I work for a private computer company and have not had a raise in 2 years so your $200 last year is way better then mine. I am on the fence on this one. My middle daughter is a teacher. I paid for her college and when she wanted to be a teacher I talked to her about the fact that she would always be underpaid. I made sure she knew what she was getting into when it started. In my lifetime teachers have always been on the short end when it comes to pay but I think everyone should have known that going in. The summer break is a big deal as if the fact that you can pretty much find jobs anywhere...i.e. not tied to the big city. I am not sure what my daughters currently makes. She is 3 years out of college. Probably makes around $35,000 and works 10 minutes from their place in Brownsboro. While I am sure she would love the money she does not have it bad off when you look at the total picture.

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I say absolutely! I am a HS teacher and our raise this year didnít even cover the increase in insurance so I still lost money compared to last year.


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What gets me is the terrible insurance they get offered. If the pay isnít going to be great, make sure they have great low cost insurance.

My wifeís a middle school teacher. I vote yes.
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I'd vote for $10,000...
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I say yes as well. My was a teacher, now principal for the last 11 years. I see these teachers there at 6:30 in the morning for work outs or tutorials and the same teachers at 6:30 that evening still helping our kids. They may get summers, my wife does not, off and holidays but they put a ton of hours in each day. Thank you to any teachers or coaches on the green screen!!
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Huge YES!! If the money gets funneled back to the school it will get wasted on something stupid. Maybe changing a school name or just put it in the Pearson account for the text books that are worthless and that are rarely used...
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What gets me is the terrible insurance they get offered. If the pay isnít going to be great, make sure they have great low cost insurance.

My wifeís a middle school teacher. I vote yes.
yea the insurance blows!
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Old 04-04-2019, 07:19 AM   #12
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I say absolutely! I am a HS teacher and our raise this year didnít even cover the increase in insurance so I still lost money compared to last year.


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Thatís what I was about to say is many probably donít see much of a net increase due to insurance. My wife is a teacher and I know she works her tail off. Only reason she realizes a net increase is because I have her on my insurance through my employer. Her options were more expensive with less coverage so she stayed on mine. Iím all for the $5k increase. Teachers deserve it when you factor the headaches of the classroom, parents, STAAR testing, behind the scenes work at home preparing along with using personal $ for the classroom.
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I'd vote for $10,000...
This is what Dan Patrick originally put forth 2 years ago... the lefties were against it, go figure...
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Old 04-04-2019, 07:22 AM   #14
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I’d say most teachers deserve a raise but an across the board I dunno, I understand giving it to the district and them not doling it out, but shouldn’t You get a raise based on merits not just because? I didn’t get a raise this year and I work in a hospital saving people lives and keeping them alive, most years we get 3% based on all the extra crap we do outside of normal work day. Teachers should get raises based on performance not just handing out free money because you signed up for a job knowing the pay scale then changing your mind.
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Old 04-04-2019, 07:22 AM   #15
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Pay teachers what they are worth. The really great ones should be making way more than they can at this point. The poor ones are likely over paid, and maybe employed when they shouldn't be.
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What gets me is the terrible insurance they get offered. If the pay isnít going to be great, make sure they have great low cost insurance.

My wifeís a middle school teacher. I vote yes.
Yep, my wife's a Kindergarten teacher and the insurance is crap. Probably opt out next renewal and look elsewhere. any raise she got this year was eatin up by the insurance going up, and she pays $500+ a month for her and our daughter.
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The legislature is trying to give teachers a pay raise for this coming year, but the bis being presented by the Senate and House are far apart. The Senate wants an across the board $5000 raise for teachers and librarians. The House is proposing less than $2000 across the board with most money going to the districts to dole out as they see fit (most teachers will not see any of that money given to the districts IMHO).

I know some on here will say we do not need a pay raise because of all the time we have off during the year (yea right!), but the pay raises we get from year to year are down right sorry. My pay raise this year was $200 as will next year's raise!!!!!!!!!!

Also, the Legislature is saying the average salary for a Texas school teacher is over $53,000 per year. In this district and we are not all that small, a teacher would have to teach 22 years to reach the $53,000 level, 22 YEARS!

I personally want the across the board $5000 raise and believe we have earned it and I firmly believe that any "extra" money given for raises to a district, we will never see a penny of that. While we get these whopping $200 raises each year on average, some at our Central office enjoyed a $5000 to $20,000 pay raise!

OK my rant is over as I have to get ready for the 16 kids in my unit that ALL have behaviors problems. Suprisingly, I have yet to be bloodied working with these kids YET! A big change from the previous 8 years where I was bloodied multiple times during the year.

Have a great day TBH'ers!
Yes, 100% on all points you make.

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Well I work for a private computer company and have not had a raise in 2 years so your $200 last year is way better then mine. I am on the fence on this one. My middle daughter is a teacher. I paid for her college and when she wanted to be a teacher I talked to her about the fact that she would always be underpaid. I made sure she knew what she was getting into when it started. In my lifetime teachers have always been on the short end when it comes to pay but I think everyone should have known that going in. The summer break is a big deal as if the fact that you can pretty much find jobs anywhere...i.e. not tied to the big city. I am not sure what my daughters currently makes. She is 3 years out of college. Probably makes around $35,000 and works 10 minutes from their place in Brownsboro. While I am sure she would love the money she does not have it bad off when you look at the total picture.
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Starting off pay is reasonable for the points you mention. But in order to keep good teachers around they need to find ways to pay good teachers more..and a lot more to put up with all the BS.

It's absurd how the school system works. One can literally get hired as a teacher and then it's impossible to get fired..We've seen it all from just lazy teachers to drunk teachers (drinking spiked coffee).

It's also absurd how much money pours into each school system as shown by the long property tax threads on TBH yet most of the money is squandered, blown, or given to admin... Then they say if the public thinks teachers need raises they need to raise taxes.

And compared to all other State, Federal or taxpayer funded employees teachers have the worst pay, health care and retirement of them all.
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Old 04-04-2019, 07:24 AM   #18
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Old 04-04-2019, 07:26 AM   #19
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I don't know the details on teachers pay, the ones I know are doing it because they enjoy it and left high paying jobs to teach. However I do believe all should at least get a COLA (cost of living adjustment) that should be 2.5 to 3% each year.
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The legislature approves the raise — what is next? Will they come across with the same monies next year, and the next? If not , the districts are not going to retreat on the salaries so where will the money come from? Where? Taxes will go up to cover it as I don’t see any belt-tightening in our school board personality.
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Huge YES!! If the money gets funneled back to the school it will get wasted on something stupid. Maybe changing a school name or just put it in the Pearson account for the text books that are worthless and that are rarely used...
Grrrr. I'm sure there are no kickbacks and under the table deals going on

So obvious it's stupid...But yet nothing is ever done?

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Iíd say most teachers deserve a raise but an across the board I dunno, I understand giving it to the district and them not doling it out, but shouldnít You get a raise based on merits not just because? I didnít get a raise this year and I work in a hospital saving people lives and keeping them alive, most years we get 3% based on all the extra crap we do outside of normal work day. Teachers should get raises based on performance not just handing out free money because you signed up for a job knowing the pay scale then changing your mind.
Yes, it should be based on merit. But it's simply not..at all. You show up, you get paid "x" unless you get fired which is near impossible. Same for raises.

System is totally broke.
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Old 04-04-2019, 07:32 AM   #22
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No... Don't want a raise for them

Want restructuring of the education system so that we pay teachers enough to make it worth the time for actually talented teachers to get paid more and that the overall quality of education is improved.

I'm sure your a great teacher OP. But I have seen a tremendous number of bad teachers, many from my own generation who stuck with what they knew instead of striking out taking a chance and finding out what they are good at.

I have NO desire to support bad teachers, that said, the way it is handled now and what teachers are paid is laughable
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Yes, teachers deserve far more than they get. Some teachers see kids more than their own parents do.


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Old 04-04-2019, 07:36 AM   #24
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I'd rather see teachers paid more than another $50M+ stadium.
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I would also......with very defined goals of academic achievement in place! It is not the teachers, it appears to be the bloated and slow antiquated systems in public schools. A better model is a must in the 21st century.

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Iíd say most teachers deserve a raise but an across the board I dunno, I understand giving it to the district and them not doling it out, but shouldnít You get a raise based on merits not just because? I didnít get a raise this year and I work in a hospital saving people lives and keeping them alive, most years we get 3% based on all the extra crap we do outside of normal work day. Teachers should get raises based on performance not just handing out free money because you signed up for a job knowing the pay scale then changing your mind.
This is pretty much how I feel about it.
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I can agree that teachers are underpaid. Iíd love for you to get a $5,000 raise.

However if someone goes to work for a large company starting at $35,000 and they get 1%-2% raises each year they arenít getting that much and that doesnít reflect not getting a raise. I think there are other professions as well where people provide services to our kids and are grossly underpaid.

I hope It works out for you and everyone else!!
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My wife teaches 4th. So I vote yes
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This state ****** away enough money on non-essential BS to turn our education system into a model for the rest of the country. No state is better equipped to do it, and it embarrasses me that we havn't yet.
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Agree with the 10k Dale M submits and this.
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Old 04-04-2019, 07:47 AM   #31
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No.

You knew the pay scale for said job when you picked it as your major.
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Alright....so opinion time....I think that our teachers definitely deserve raises. But I also think that all school personnel deserve to be paid a living wage. I understand that the money has to come from somewhere (our pockets) but the lunch lady and the maintenance men and the janitors have bills too. And yes...I realize they can do what all of us have done and fight and scratch and claw for education and opportunity but in some areas it's not as easily accomplished.

When teachers are making 36k a year what do we presume the support staff are making? If we are having to subsidize their way of life through government handouts anyway let's slash those programs and add that money to their checks. If at that point they can't swim or make poor choices with well then let em sink.

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The legislature is trying to give teachers a pay raise for this coming year, but the bis being presented by the Senate and House are far apart. The Senate wants an across the board $5000 raise for teachers and librarians. The House is proposing less than $2000 across the board with most money going to the districts to dole out as they see fit (most teachers will not see any of that money given to the districts IMHO).

I know some on here will say we do not need a pay raise because of all the time we have off during the year (yea right!), but the pay raises we get from year to year are down right sorry. My pay raise this year was $200 as will next year's raise!!!!!!!!!!

Also, the Legislature is saying the average salary for a Texas school teacher is over $53,000 per year. In this district and we are not all that small, a teacher would have to teach 22 years to reach the $53,000 level, 22 YEARS!

I personally want the across the board $5000 raise and believe we have earned it and I firmly believe that any "extra" money given for raises to a district, we will never see a penny of that. While we get these whopping $200 raises each year on average, some at our Central office enjoyed a $5000 to $20,000 pay raise!

OK my rant is over as I have to get ready for the 16 kids in my unit that ALL have behaviors problems. Suprisingly, I have yet to be bloodied working with these kids YET! A big change from the previous 8 years where I was bloodied multiple times during the year.

Have a great day TBH'ers!
You can't give it to the districts to dole out. It needs to be across the board if they're going to do it.
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Raise the salary across the board $10k. Improve pension. Most underpaid professional field out there and can’t think of anything more important.
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After spending the last several years around the latest group of young adults, I would say that teachers deserve everything they can get. The kids are a general PIA. The parents are worse. If my parents saw me behave the way I have seen some 18-21 years old. They would have beat me to within an inch of my life and disowned me. I have seen parents excuse ridiculous behavior and get angry at the authority figure for correcting or attempting to correct it.
If you want a job where you get paid accordingly for taking care of humans that are PIA then go be a corrections officer. You are paid to teach, if you dont like it quit. There are other 2.0 GPA students straight out of school lined up to teach our youth.
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No, money needs to go to Taj Mahal school buildings and football stadiums like we do in Alvin ISD.
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Iíd say most teachers deserve a raise but an across the board I dunno, I understand giving it to the district and them not doling it out, but shouldnít You get a raise based on merits not just because? I didnít get a raise this year and I work in a hospital saving people lives and keeping them alive, most years we get 3% based on all the extra crap we do outside of normal work day. Teachers should get raises based on performance not just handing out free money because you signed up for a job knowing the pay scale then changing your mind.

Remember a teacher taught you how to save lives and keep them alive.
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Old 04-04-2019, 07:57 AM   #39
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Teachers deserve a 10k increase in pay. Very difficult job. God bless y’all in the education world.
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Old 04-04-2019, 07:58 AM   #40
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For any who say no, I'd say go get yourself a substitute teacher license and give it a try.

This is a job I wish everybody could try for at least a day or two.

Some classrooms are great. Others, you're thinking 'how does this teacher do this every day?'.
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Old 04-04-2019, 07:59 AM   #41
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Teachers are vitally important to our children and their futures they deserve more pay but the state will not fund the local budgets in order to allow for across the board raises without raising local property taxes which no one is in favor of it is hard for a district to make raises work...if they mandate this raise I pray they provide the funding from the state level if not all tax payers will be held responsible for more property tax to cover it...it is truly a double edge sword...
I serve on our local board and it has really frustrated me how the state handles funding our schools in general when we know the revenue the state has taken in over the last few years due to the eagle ford and many other revenue sources (lottery etc.) and they don't invest it in our people!
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This state ****** away enough money on non-essential BS to turn our education system into a model for the rest of the country. No state is better equipped to do it, and it embarrasses me that we havn't yet.
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Don’t have to read anything other than the title.

Absolutely! And while we are at it let’s add first responders to that.
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Old 04-04-2019, 08:05 AM   #44
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Iíd say most teachers deserve a raise but an across the board I dunno, I understand giving it to the district and them not doling it out, but shouldnít You get a raise based on merits not just because? I didnít get a raise this year and I work in a hospital saving people lives and keeping them alive, most years we get 3% based on all the extra crap we do outside of normal work day. Teachers should get raises based on performance not just handing out free money because you signed up for a job knowing the pay scale then changing your mind.
It's hard to base anything on "performance" for teachers. I use to agree with you, but after seeing the crap my wife deals with I just feel for them now. People will say "well base it off of the STAAR test", what about the teachers like my wife who are teaching 3rd graders that can't read and have only been speaking English for a year?? She didn't ask for the obstacle, but she works her *** of 14 hours a day and looses time with our 7 month old because she cares.. The entire system is pegged against the teachers.

Allowing the district to handle money is a lot like this....

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Old 04-04-2019, 08:06 AM   #45
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No.

You knew the pay scale for said job when you picked it as your major.
They knew the rough amounts they could possibly start at. But had no idea how bad raises would be. And no idea heath care costs would soar or retirement packages would be this bad.

How about if all people paid with taxpayer money rom now on gets the same benefits as teachers?

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If you want a job where you get paid accordingly for taking care of humans that are PIA then go be a corrections officer. You are paid to teach, if you dont like it quit. There are other 2.0 GPA students straight out of school lined up to teach our youth.
And that's the problem. The good teachers are being replaced by young brainwashed just out of college teachers.

I don't know about you but in every other profession that's a bad thing. You want all new rookie LEOs to help you? A whole rookie fire department coming to your house fire? Nothing but fresh out of school doctors operating on you?

And also they are paid to be puppets now. They thought they were getting paid to teach..which is what they should be doing versus the other BS they deal with each day.
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Old 04-04-2019, 08:10 AM   #46
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I vote for the 5000 straight to the teachers. I work security for a school and I how much they go through with the kid and the parents. It's well deserved raise.
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Old 04-04-2019, 08:10 AM   #47
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Teachers are vitally important to our children and their futures they deserve more pay but the state will not fund the local budgets in order to allow for across the board raises without raising local property taxes which no one is in favor of it is hard for a district to make raises work...if they mandate this raise I pray they provide the funding from the state level if not all tax payers will be held responsible for more property tax to cover it...it is truly a double edge sword...
I serve on our local board and it has really frustrated me how the state handles funding our schools in general when we know the revenue the state has taken in over the last few years due to the eagle ford and many other revenue sources (lottery etc.) and they don't invest it in our people!
Got to love it. But I'd wager they find millions for some other BS each and every year. Funny how that works. Money seems to be no object until teachers want a raise and then it's we're out of money and must raise taxes LOL
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Old 04-04-2019, 08:12 AM   #48
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I'm conflicted. My reservation isn't that I don't think teachers deserve it. I think overall they unarguably do. It's where the money will come from and how money is being spent. If it is simply a matter of reallocating money being spent on stupid crap, by all means give them a heck of a raise. Unfortunately we all know that would not be the case.
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Old 04-04-2019, 08:14 AM   #49
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Got to love it. But I'd wager they find millions for some other BS each and every year. Funny how that works. Money seems to be no object until teachers want a raise and then it's we're out of money and must raise taxes LOL
I agree they sit up there in the big house and mandate this and that but can't fund simple things like pay raises for our teachers....it is a joke to be honest and very frustrating for local districts as of coarse we want our people taken care of but the state strangle holds us to so many mandated regulations it is very difficult....I hope they fund and pass this for all teachers sake..
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Old 04-04-2019, 08:14 AM   #50
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If you want a job where you get paid accordingly for taking care of humans that are PIA then go be a corrections officer. You are paid to teach, if you dont like it quit. There are other 2.0 GPA students straight out of school lined up to teach our youth.
Thatís just what we need...all of the good teachers quiting because their pay sucks to be replaced by bad ones. Maybe if the pay was better they would retain better teachers and more people would be interested in the job.
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