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Old 10-18-2018, 11:27 AM   #101
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Correct me if i'm wrong, but aren't these kids surrounded by teachers all day, including lunch & recess?

Don't understand why they aren't taking measures to stop bullying before it happens & addressing it when it's occurring.

I understand high-school may be different, but in middle school & elementary you'd think the adults in the schools should be able to address this.
This is almost impossible. There should be adults in the same room at least, bathroom excluded, but that doesn't mean they see it all happening. You were a kid in school once, you knew when adults weren't watching you and when you could do something you didn't want them to see. The traditional classroom setting we were in as kids is gone. There is no more sit in your desk and listen to me up at the board and drill and kill worksheets till you get the concept. You have more collaboration, getting in groups for projects and such, more moving around the room, more talking and the best of teachers can't see all or hear all that is going on.
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Old 10-18-2018, 11:42 AM   #102
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I contacted the other dad directly and let him know what I had instructed my son to do should this happen again then I contacted the principal and let him know that since he had not protected my son from the bully, my son was going to have to defend himself because the school administration wasn't willing to do their job.
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Old 10-18-2018, 11:54 AM   #103
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I contacted the other dad directly and let him know what I had instructed my son to do should this happen again then I contacted the principal and let him know that since he had not protected my son from the bully, my son was going to have to defend himself because the school administration wasn't willing to do their job.
And how will you react if your son makes it violent and the other boy gives your kid a beating or worse puts your son in the hospital? I know you think your son will win, but I am sure so does the other dad. I am no stranger to fighting, it is why my dad threw me out after my mom died. But I don't feel like it is the answer now as an adult. I don't know the answer, I don't have kids, but we raised our nephew because he had a bad home life. But still my opinion probably isn't valid, and I am being serious when I say that. I feel for parents and kids today and the waters they have to tread.
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Old 10-18-2018, 12:06 PM   #104
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I held off on commenting as long as I could. Its not impossible if the teachers are where they are supposed to be. MY 2 grandkids went to private church school for 4 yrs, the grandson kept getting bullied on the playground and at recess, the teachers that were supposed to be watching them were all at the picnic tables with their backs to the kiddos. My daughter in law sat in the parking lot and video taped this! After many many times of the grandson telling the teachers and mom talking to the principal nothing was done, that's when she showed the video. I realize they can't watch every step of every day, but they could make an effort to do better. The gkids no longer attend this school. They are much happier.
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Old 10-18-2018, 12:11 PM   #105
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I held off on commenting as long as I could. Its not impossible if the teachers are where they are supposed to be. MY 2 grandkids went to private church school for 4 yrs, the grandson kept getting bullied on the playground and at recess, the teachers that were supposed to be watching them were all at the picnic tables with their backs to the kiddos. My daughter in law sat in the parking lot and video taped this! After many many times of the grandson telling the teachers and mom talking to the principal nothing was done, that's when she showed the video. I realize they can't watch every step of every day, but they could make an effort to do better. The gkids no longer attend this school. They are much happier.
Very true. When they are on the playground that is visiting time for the teachers whose kids are outside. The cafeteria is normally TA's and no teachers, that is their lunch break along with their PE break and Specials class break. Fortunately our teachers watch their kids at recess, but I have seen it like described above.
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I held off on commenting as long as I could. Its not impossible if the teachers are where they are supposed to be. MY 2 grandkids went to private church school for 4 yrs, the grandson kept getting bullied on the playground and at recess, the teachers that were supposed to be watching them were all at the picnic tables with their backs to the kiddos. My daughter in law sat in the parking lot and video taped this! After many many times of the grandson telling the teachers and mom talking to the principal nothing was done, that's when she showed the video. I realize they can't watch every step of every day, but they could make an effort to do better. The gkids no longer attend this school. They are much happier.
I'm sure a lot of teachers could do better but most really do care. My wife has 20 kids in her class. You ever been in a room with 20 6 year olds? And then recess @#%#$% You ever try to watch 80 6 year olds? It's not the teachers fault they are not given enough time during the day and alternate recess duty. It's not their fault they can't discipline the kids. And when they report anything guess what happens...Yep, the teacher gets more work in the form of reports and action plans for that kid. It's simply stupid. No way humanly possible for a teacher to do their job 100% right. They would work 18 hour days.
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Old 10-18-2018, 12:17 PM   #107
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Went thru something similar a couple of years ago. Son was in 7th grade, kid always tried to provoke him and his buddies while outside playing. No matter what they were playing the kid would stand just outside of the group, wait for an opportunity to grab the ball and throw it over the fence. After that the game was over for the rest of there outside time. They started a rotation each day where one of them would not participate in the game with the simple responsibility of keeping the kid from stealing the ball. Had reported to teachers for quite awhile but no action. On my son's day the kid of course tried to get the ball, son confronted him and kid pushed him. Son pushed him back and teachers swarmed. No punches thrown. Son and kid were both suspended for 3 days. I was cited 0 tolerance. 1st day back son witnessed a kid punch a kid in the head in front of a teacher just to get a verbal warning. We were new to town and to be honest felt like it was a who you know type thing in regards to 0 tolerance being followed. Regardless there were many great lessons learned and not to big of a deal to learn them in 7th grade. Good view of how the world works, rather him learn it now.
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Old 10-18-2018, 12:18 PM   #108
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If you have any documentation with the teacher's/school that this has been going on and if nothing has been done on their end up to this point then you got them where you want them and could fight it. If it ends up being a he said/she said situation then your son will unfortunately have to face the consequences.
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The vast majority of teachers do care, but I have seen some that did not need to be teaching!
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The vast majority of teachers do care, but I have seen some that did not need to be teaching!
That sure is true.

For the people that say "the teacher didn't do anything" What exactly do you think the teacher can do?

I agree the whole thing is messed up but from what I've seen it's almost all the school bureaucracy BS that's the problem. And you can most likely blame your local liberal for this crap.
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Old 10-18-2018, 12:46 PM   #111
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Man I sure miss back in the day when two kids could meet behind the school and go toe to toe. To much political correctness now, and if you can make it behind the school it is hard to be a one on one fight anymore. We use to do it all the time then we would be hanging out with each other the next day. Just saying
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Old 10-18-2018, 12:48 PM   #112
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Good grief!

Whatever happened to the good old days when the coach/teacher/whoever gave the kids boxing gloves and let them settle their arguments in the gym??? Parents and school administrators have become pantywaists and pansys!
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Old 10-18-2018, 12:51 PM   #113
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First thing to always do in these situation is have good documentation and make sure the school is included. I would email the principle every time there is an event concerning the other student so there is a sufficient paper trail. In the event something happens that will be proper evidence that the school was aware of the issue. Also if you get sued this will help your case.
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Good grief!

Whatever happened to the good old days when the coach/teacher/whoever gave the kids boxing gloves and let them settle their arguments in the gym??? Parents and school administrators have become pantywaists and pansys!
I'm just curious, but back in yalls day everybody was the same size with the same physical capabilities?

Seems like that could put a few kids at a disadvantage.
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Old 10-18-2018, 01:06 PM   #115
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Until you take the job of being a teacher, you really don't have a clue on what it's like or what goes down. Much like me not knowing what it takes to do a police officers or firefighter job. So me throwing out how they should do their jobs really doesn't mean all that much. And yes, there are bad teachers just like any other profession but it's a profession that's losing it's grounds due to crappy pay and the politics that we are speaking of. Most new teachers are out of the profession before the first five years. I wanted to get out after my first year, I was stressed out but I'm now in year 19. It's not simply watching a kid on the playground.

I know you have kids and you want only the best for them and to protect them. Write your reps or congress and ask them to lower the classroom caps and not only would you get better education for your kids you'd have better monitoring due to less kids which most of you seem to think is the problem here.
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Old 10-18-2018, 01:14 PM   #116
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I'm just curious, but back in yalls day everybody was the same size with the same physical capabilities?

Seems like that could put a few kids at a disadvantage.
100% of the time, one of the people in a fight is at a disadvantage....usually the one who thinks fights are supposed to be "fair".
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Old 10-18-2018, 01:36 PM   #117
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A lot of good points made. One thing I havenít heard mentioned...be prepared for parents of bully to be very indignant and say their angel would never do anything like that. In fact, they may turn things around and say your kid is the bully. This may be why teachers and administrators are sometimes reluctant to deal with it. They know whatís coming.


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100% of the time, one of the people in a fight is at a disadvantage....usually the one who thinks fights are supposed to be "fair".
Haaaaa. Yessir! Sometimes when you don’t think you are going to make it you just need to get mean. I mean plumb, mad dog mean. :-)

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Old 10-18-2018, 02:07 PM   #119
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If I were you, I'd go in with a healthy dose of humility. Whether you like it or not, your kid was wrong and, as you pointed out, needed to keep his cool. Point out what you believe led your kid to that point, but take responsibility for his actions in spite of the way it was started. Had he connected and hurt the kid, you likely wouldn't be afforded an opportunity for this meeting. Be thankful you're getting it.

I hope that doesn't sound like a tiptoe around the issue, but guns blazing often results in returned fire. Don't subject yourself and your kid to that.
These green screen guys are pretty smart. Not what a old school Dad wants to here, but solid advice. Gone are the days that we could just take care of business out behind the wood shop. Sadly, I mess those days.
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100% of the time, one of the people in a fight is at a disadvantage....usually the one who thinks fights are supposed to be "fair".
Funny / sad story about one of my very good friends. We are at a party having fun. He talks to the right/wrong girl. Said girl's boyfriend gets upset and they go outside. Fight ensues and buddy form tackles him and jumps on him just pummeling him. The guy on his back reached up and stuck his thumb in my friends' eye and grabbed his cheek with his fingers. Completely changed the outcome of what happened. I got him before it turned horrible.

We used to have a sort of code, but after that, bets were off. After seeing his eye that evening and for the ongoing weeks it was understood that the fight game had changed, lol.
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Old 10-18-2018, 02:26 PM   #121
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Words dont mean anything. He needs to learn to ignore. Now hands on him and he needs to knock them on their ***.this or you can just whip the dads *** and call it good. I had similar situation with my daughter but she was being verbally abused by a boy. Couldn't touch the boy but his dad was different story. No longer had issues with boy after I "spoke" to his dad.

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Funny / sad story about one of my very good friends. We are at a party having fun. He talks to the right/wrong girl. Said girl's boyfriend gets upset and they go outside. Fight ensues and buddy form tackles him and jumps on him just pummeling him. The guy on his back reached up and stuck his thumb in my friends' eye and grabbed his cheek with his fingers. Completely changed the outcome of what happened. I got him before it turned horrible.

We used to have a sort of code, but after that, bets were off. After seeing his eye that evening and for the ongoing weeks it was understood that the fight game had changed, lol.
The game has never changed. There is no "fair" in a fight....
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The game has never changed. There is no "fair" in a fight....
I meant for us personally - we thought we were good guys fighting the battles and being respectful and all that garbage, lol.

That altercation changed that for us.
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I am guessing the school she teaches in does not have any sort of a behavior unit?

When I talk about a behavior unit, all my kids are either diagnosed with an Emotional Disturbance or one of 13 OHI's. Other Health Impairment such as Fetal Alcohol, ADD, ADHD, etc.
I have been an elementary school resource officer for 4 years, I have 3 schools now but for my first 2 years I had another school with the behavioral unit in it and I can verify that everything he says he's seen happens daily in these rooms. I have arrested 5th graders for assaulting teachers and have taken several more from 3-6th grade into custody and transported them to mental hospitals due to threats of suicide, one of which actually went through with it, about a month after bringing a kitchen knife to school and cutting one of our officers during lunch in the cafeteria.

I have seen kids suspended for CLEARLY defending themselves, because the school says it takes two to fight. I have also seen kids that only stepped in to break it up also get ISS, because they ended up pushing or being pushed.

The schools are careful with what they tell me, but I am around these kids enough to know when one of them is upset and usually if I ask what's going on they will tell me they are having issues with another student. I will then let the admin know and talk with the other kid.

When my oldest was in 3rd grade he got picked on one day after school by a known instigator. There were 6th graders around and the other kid was showing off and tripped my son and pulled his arm behind his back and held him down. I called the principal the next day, who I had known for a few years, and told her what had happened and she said the after school teacher was about to suspend the other kid already for other stuff. I said that's fine but I've told my son that if he feels threatened by him again, to punch him in the nose and don't stop until a teacher is there to make him. She laughed at first then realized I was serious and said she will take care of it.

The 2 knuckleheads are good buddies now in 5th grade.

That being said, I have parents contact me all the time wanting to file charges against other kids after a fight. After we talk about i have yet to have a family go through with it, but it's crazy to hear all the parents that literally can not believe that their kid MIGHT have been at fault at something.
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Growing up,I was always a big kid for my age and could hold my own. When i was 12, there was a 15 year old that rode my bus. he was huge and mean. He would treat me terrible and i was scared to death of him. it was a daily think morning and evening for him to push me around, pull my ears, rub my face on the bus floor etc. Bus driver knew it and did nothing.

I got to the point that i was nausiated at the thought of riding the bus and begged for someone to take me to school. My grandfather took me and as we rode, he asked me what the heck was wrong with me. i told him the whole story. he told I was riding the bus going forward and that if i didnt deal with the situation he would deal with me worse than the boy was.

The next morning when that kid got on the bus he walked straight to me and said i was in his seat. I stood up, loaded up with all i had and hit him right between the eyes. he went down with a severely broken nose. the bus had not even started moving yet and the driver helped him off the bus. I was taken to the office at school and explained the entire situation much of which the driver confirmed. I was not punished. When i got home i told my granddad what happened and he said i dealt with it well.

the boy missed school the next day but the following, he got on the bus with two big black eyes and tape across the bridge of his nose. I was scared to death as he walked up and I just hit him again just like i had done two days before right on that broken nose. talk about a blood trail! the principal did not see the humor in that one.

That ended it though the fellow grew up and is some what of a friend to this day. As a matter of fact, i think he might just be a TBHer. No telling how long that would have gone on had I not gathered the courage to confront the situation.
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Growing up,I was always a big kid for my age and could hold my own. When i was 12, there was a 15 year old that rode my bus. he was huge and mean. He would treat me terrible and i was scared to death of him. it was a daily think morning and evening for him to push me around, pull my ears, rub my face on the bus floor etc. Bus driver knew it and did nothing.

I got to the point that i was nausiated at the thought of riding the bus and begged for someone to take me to school. My grandfather took me and as we rode, he asked me what the heck was wrong with me. i told him the whole story. he told I was riding the bus going forward and that if i didnt deal with the situation he would deal with me worse than the boy was.

The next morning when that kid got on the bus he walked straight to me and said i was in his seat. I stood up, loaded up with all i had and hit him right between the eyes. he went down with a severely broken nose. the bus had not even started moving yet and the driver helped him off the bus. I was taken to the office at school and explained the entire situation much of which the driver confirmed. I was not punished. When i got home i told my granddad what happened and he said i dealt with it well.

the boy missed school the next day but the following, he got on the bus with two big black eyes and tape across the bridge of his nose. I was scared to death as he walked up and I just hit him again just like i had done two days before right on that broken nose. talk about a blood trail! the principal did not see the humor in that one.

That ended it though the fellow grew up and is some what of a friend to this day. As a matter of fact, i think he might just be a TBHer. No telling how long that would have gone on had I not gathered the courage to confront the situation.


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I was picked on a bunch in grade school and jr high with stories to match most of the scenarios in the posts above. My head was proportionally bigger vs my body and cleft lip so there were "opportunities" for bullies.

I started wrestling in high school and have never been in the same situations again. Some of that is coincident with people maturing. However, I feel having the knowledge/ability to fight gave me confidence that kept any bullying from escalating like it had in the past, without physical confrontation.
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Old 10-18-2018, 03:28 PM   #128
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The only part I disagree with is that his 'kid was wrong'. What do you expect him to do? Sit there and wear it? Boys will be boys. No need to go in to meeting with guns blazing, but I sure hope the other participant and his family have a meeting as well.
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I was picked on a bunch in grade school and jr high with stories to match most of the scenarios in the posts above. My head was proportionally bigger vs my body and cleft lip so there were "opportunities" for bullies.

I started wrestling in high school and have never been in the same situations again. Some of that is coincident with people maturing. However, I feel having the knowledge/ability to fight gave me confidence that kept any bullying from escalating like it had in the past, without physical confrontation.
Agree. My son's are starting BJJ in a few weeks after football is over. Most of the time the ability to handle yourself in a fight isn't as important as the confidence in yourself to do it.
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I'm just curious, but back in yalls day everybody was the same size with the same physical capabilities?

Seems like that could put a few kids at a disadvantage.
Just knowing that a guy is willing to throw hands ends a lot of trouble before it starts. A kid that makes it known he's not going to take much gruff has an advantage over one that doesn't.

I'll also refer everyone to the classic movie "3:00 High". Classic greatness. Every puncher has a chance.
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Just knowing that a guy is willing to throw hands ends a lot of trouble before it starts. A kid that makes it known he's not going to take much gruff has an advantage over one that doesn't.

I'll also refer everyone to the classic movie "3:00 High". Classic greatness. Every puncher has a chance.
Also the fight scene from Dazed and Confused, that one didn't turn out as well for the underdog....
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Old 10-18-2018, 03:57 PM   #132
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I have to ask all the John Wayne's in this thread that tell their kids to 'handle it'- what do you tell them to do next after they get the snot beat out of them when they try to 'defend' themselves and fight back?

"Problem solved" my arse.
Funny....Iím a John Wayne but my son has never actually been in a fight. No one would mess with him other than the two idiots his Junior Year in HS. They were very fortunate the Teacher interjected. LOL......and let me be clear I would never want either of my kids to ever be in a fight anyways. If they have to defend themselves that is one thing. Otherwise....enjoy Life. Too much stress in our daily lives anyways.
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Also the fight scene from Dazed and Confused, that one didn't turn out as well for the underdog....
True enough. You roll your dice and take your chances. But at least you take a shot. No guarantees in the fight game.
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Had the same problem when my daughter was in 6th grade another girl and her friend decided to pick on her. I told the principal what was going on and that this was on his court also if it happens again I had told my daughter to handle it.
About 2 weeks later the bully hit Lenora with her jacket that had a heavy zipper in it.
The teacher told me all she saw was fists, elbows and knees from Lenora.
I was called to the school and I walked in asked what happened told my daughter good girl, lets go get an ice cream.
I do not tolerate bullies nor do my 3 children.
She got 3 days iss but was never picked on again. She is now a Jr. at Sam Houston.
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Old 10-18-2018, 04:47 PM   #135
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Also the fight scene from Dazed and Confused, that one didn't turn out as well for the underdog....
Just for another movie reference, i'd refer "Cool Hand Luke". Luke got it handed to him by DragLine. But Luke won much respect and didn't have to fight again.

I know this is a real situation, not movie / fantasy land. But sticking up for yourself has merit. Not everyone is going to win, but sometimes a kids gotta do what a kids gotta do.
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Just for another movie reference, i'd refer "Cool Hand Luke". Luke got it handed to him by DragLine. But Luke won much respect and didn't have to fight again.

I know this is a real situation, not movie / fantasy land. But sticking up for yourself has merit. Not everyone is going to win, but sometimes a kids gotta do what a kids gotta do.
I agree and tell my boys the same
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Old 10-18-2018, 07:18 PM   #137
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I am all for standing up to the bullies. But many you should think about before telling your kid that, depending on who is. The bully might actually can fight and have far more physical size and strength than your kids in some situations. You could be sending your kid to the slaughter in some situations.
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Old 10-18-2018, 07:29 PM   #138
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Growing up,I was always a big kid for my age and could hold my own. When i was 12, there was a 15 year old that rode my bus. he was huge and mean. He would treat me terrible and i was scared to death of him. it was a daily think morning and evening for him to push me around, pull my ears, rub my face on the bus floor etc. Bus driver knew it and did nothing.

I got to the point that i was nausiated at the thought of riding the bus and begged for someone to take me to school. My grandfather took me and as we rode, he asked me what the heck was wrong with me. i told him the whole story. he told I was riding the bus going forward and that if i didnt deal with the situation he would deal with me worse than the boy was.

The next morning when that kid got on the bus he walked straight to me and said i was in his seat. I stood up, loaded up with all i had and hit him right between the eyes. he went down with a severely broken nose. the bus had not even started moving yet and the driver helped him off the bus. I was taken to the office at school and explained the entire situation much of which the driver confirmed. I was not punished. When i got home i told my granddad what happened and he said i dealt with it well.

the boy missed school the next day but the following, he got on the bus with two big black eyes and tape across the bridge of his nose. I was scared to death as he walked up and I just hit him again just like i had done two days before right on that broken nose. talk about a blood trail! the principal did not see the humor in that one.

That ended it though the fellow grew up and is some what of a friend to this day. As a matter of fact, i think he might just be a TBHer. No telling how long that would have gone on had I not gathered the courage to confront the situation.
And THAT is how you turn a kid into a man. Both of you. He needed to learn too. I stood up to a few bullies in school, and all turned out for the better. A couple I didnt and I regret it.
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I am all for standing up to the bullies. But many you should think about before telling your kid that, depending on who is. The bully might actually can fight and have far more physical size and strength than your kids in some situations. You could be sending your kid to the slaughter in some situations.
Before anyone thinks I think I am some tough guy, Im not. I hate any kind of confrontation. Im not particularly small, but certainly not a big guy.

I told my son to be sure he is ready for a fight when he was ready to stop the bullying. I made it clear that he may not win. But that winning is not the point. Self respect is, and letting them know that there is a price to pay for bullying him.

In the end, being bullied and not defending yourself is worse than getting your butt kicked.
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Before anyone thinks I think I am some tough guy, Im not. I hate any kind of confrontation. Im not particularly small, but certainly not a big guy.

I told my son to be sure he is ready for a fight when he was ready to stop the bullying. I made it clear that he may not win. But that winning is not the point. Self respect is, and letting them know that there is a price to pay for bullying him.

In the end, being bullied and not defending yourself is worse than getting your butt kicked.
Word.^^^^ I was the little guy so constantly picked on in middle school and most of high school until I finally grew bigger than most of the "bullies". I never backed down from one fight and found myself in the principle's office often. He told me I needed to stop fighting and told him I wasnt going to back down if they started it. I got whipped plenty but they always had some marks on them and knew they had been in a fight. That whole fight fair is BS. Once the coaches pulled a big guy and me apart. When they pulled him back they had his arms pulled back and breasted up.....I jerked myself away from the coach holding me and ran up and hit him with everything I could in the jaw and he buckled at the knees. He never bothered me again. Im pretty sure the coaches laughed when it happened. Another kid was bothering me pretty relentlessly and decided to do it again outside after lunch one day. It was cold out and he was wearing a jacket. I grabbed him by the jacket and used it to sling him into a metal door. It knocked him silly and I took his head and slammed it into the door quite a few times. He didnt bother me again.

Times have changed for sure I probably would have been suspended numerous times if I was going to school now.
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Update....

I met with the principle who is a good guy, we've generically talked a few times over the last couple of years.
He did some investigating and talked to several kids and a teacher that were there prior to meeting with them.
My son as well as the other kid were forthcoming and honest when asked what happened and the names that were called. Apparently this kid has been in trouble the last couple of years for name calling and running his mouth.
The principle talked with the them, made the kids talk to each other. They both have to come check in with him twice a week, as well as the teacher that has then in a class together. He said the policy is to suspend then both, but he wasn't going to do that. They have a pep rally today at school that they can't go to because they will be in a classroom together helping a teacher.
He said both of the boys seem to be Alpha kids and could be roll models for the 6th graders so they have to sit with and mentor them at lunch for a few weeks.

Our meeting went well, the kids hopefully resolved their issue as well. He was meeting with the other kids dad shortly after me.

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Old 10-19-2018, 07:18 AM   #142
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In our society if there is no record of it it did not happen
Send the principle an email
About the bullying your son is going thru. Make sure to get dates and witnesses. Never know 40 years from
Now your son may run for president and he will
Be known as the school bully. Just saying in writing will
Usually get there attention
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Old 10-19-2018, 09:18 AM   #143
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Before anyone thinks I think I am some tough guy, Im not. I hate any kind of confrontation. Im not particularly small, but certainly not a big guy.

I told my son to be sure he is ready for a fight when he was ready to stop the bullying. I made it clear that he may not win. But that winning is not the point. Self respect is, and letting them know that there is a price to pay for bullying him.

In the end, being bullied and not defending yourself is worse than getting your butt kicked.
Agree with you; but again you need to evaluate the situation. You will not have that same opinion if you have to visit your child in the hospital. TBH has tons of stories from internet tough guys. But reality is many times it does not work out this way.

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Update....

I met with the principle who is a good guy, we've generically talked a few times over the last couple of years.
He did some investigating and talked to several kids and a teacher that were there prior to meeting with them.
My son as well as the other kid were forthcoming and honest when asked what happened and the names that were called. Apparently this kid has been in trouble the last couple of years for name calling and running his mouth.
The principle talked with the them, made the kids talk to each other. They both have to come check in with him twice a week, as well as the teacher that has then in a class together. He said the policy is to suspend then both, but he wasn't going to do that. They have a pep rally today at school that they can't go to because they will be in a classroom together helping a teacher.
He said both of the boys seem to be Alpha kids and could be roll models for the 6th graders so they have to sit with and mentor them at lunch for a few weeks.

Our meeting went well, the kids hopefully resolved their issue as well. He was meeting with the other kids dad shortly after me.
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Update....

I met with the principle who is a good guy, we've generically talked a few times over the last couple of years.
He did some investigating and talked to several kids and a teacher that were there prior to meeting with them.
My son as well as the other kid were forthcoming and honest when asked what happened and the names that were called. Apparently this kid has been in trouble the last couple of years for name calling and running his mouth.
The principle talked with the them, made the kids talk to each other. They both have to come check in with him twice a week, as well as the teacher that has then in a class together. He said the policy is to suspend then both, but he wasn't going to do that. They have a pep rally today at school that they can't go to because they will be in a classroom together helping a teacher.
He said both of the boys seem to be Alpha kids and could be roll models for the 6th graders so they have to sit with and mentor them at lunch for a few weeks.

Our meeting went well, the kids hopefully resolved their issue as well. He was meeting with the other kids dad shortly after me.

Great!
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Old 10-19-2018, 02:20 PM   #146
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Just in case, maybe your son should carry around a roll of nickles (lunch money)... never know when he might need a little extra money... If he's a rightie, he should practice with his left hand... I'm jus' sayin'... But keep that roll of nickles in the pants pocket on the strong side...
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Old 10-19-2018, 02:54 PM   #147
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Update....

I met with the principle who is a good guy, we've generically talked a few times over the last couple of years.
He did some investigating and talked to several kids and a teacher that were there prior to meeting with them.
My son as well as the other kid were forthcoming and honest when asked what happened and the names that were called. Apparently this kid has been in trouble the last couple of years for name calling and running his mouth.
The principle talked with the them, made the kids talk to each other. They both have to come check in with him twice a week, as well as the teacher that has then in a class together. He said the policy is to suspend then both, but he wasn't going to do that. They have a pep rally today at school that they can't go to because they will be in a classroom together helping a teacher.
He said both of the boys seem to be Alpha kids and could be roll models for the 6th graders so they have to sit with and mentor them at lunch for a few weeks.

Our meeting went well, the kids hopefully resolved their issue as well. He was meeting with the other kids dad shortly after me.
Now that is a quality educator right there. Using it as a teaching moment instead of just punishing them and letting them get days out of school.
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Old 10-19-2018, 03:26 PM   #148
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There was mention of 6í 200# 3rd graders earlier in this thread. I want to see them!


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Old 10-19-2018, 04:20 PM   #149
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There was mention of 6’ 200# 3rd graders earlier in this thread. I want to see them!


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We had a 4th grader on our team last year that weighed in at 204, not sure what he weighed this year since he's on a different team.
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Last year in 4th grade, he hasn't been held back either. Probably close to 6ft tall.



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